Bought/Thought for 9/6/07; SPOILERS INSIDE!!

[Upset Spideyfan]

This is a sad sad day for the Bought/Thought thread. Typically, we manage to get most of everyone's reviews in before it degenerates into a pool of filth and spam, but I underestimated the Hype it seems.

 

[fifthfiend]

No but seriously, what are your thoughts on the iPhone?

The public demands to know!

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I don't even have an iPod.

 

[fifthfiend]

What? Oh man, what a loser.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

What? Oh man, what a loser.

Don't hate on me for my lack of technological luxuries!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't have an iPod, either. They're lame.

If this keeps up things are going to get downright ribald.

****, maybe even bawdy.

I'd have gone with "tawdry," myself.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'd have gone with "tawdry," myself.

These are truly decadent times.

 

[fifthfiend]

Don't hate on me for my lack of technological luxuries!

Don't you know that your worth as a human being is directly proportionate to the dollar value of Apple products that you own?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't you know that your worth as a human being is directly proportionate to the dollar value of Apple products that you own?

I bet there are people who actually subscribe to that notion.

 

[fifthfiend]

I don't have an iPod, either. They're lame.

I'd have gone with "tawdry," myself.

I already got to do licentious and ribald, I figured I shouldn't hog all the good ones.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

How magnanimous of you.

 

[KAD]

Read all my books

And I actually have one thought

Spoiler

I think Night Thrasher is CAP!!!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Incredible Hulk #110
Amadeus Cho apparently proves Dan Slott right. Several times, in fact. It's a cool explanation, except I don't think the Hulk's mind was missing when he killed a bunch of people in Vegas, and it makes the retcons Bendis has made even more confusing. I really wish there were some sort of cohesion behind the scenes at Marvel, even if it were to officially make the Hulk a murderer. Just pick one road and go, don't keep jumping back and forth on it from one comic to another. It's annoying.

Anyway, the rest of the issue was cool too. I'm enjoying this a lot more than the WWH mini itself. Amadeus' idea is a little goofy, but he is essentially just giving the Hulk what he's always claimed he wanted. The Renegades struck me as a bit naive early in the issue given how much trust they've placed in this random kid that none of them really know, but after the Hulk pretty much proves Amadeus indisputably right at the end, I can buy it from here on out. Looking forward to how everything shakes out in the end.

Pagulayan's art rules. While I miss Frank, Pags' beards are almost as good as his and the rest of his art is top-notch, so it's certainly not a detriment to the story or anything.

 

[Tropico]

Incredible Hulk #110
Amadeus Cho apparently proves Dan Slott right. Several times, in fact.

How?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Have you read it?

 

[Tropico]

What did Slott say? That's what I don't understand.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, that the Hulk never intentionally killed any innocents. Bendis and others behind the scenes at Marvel claim that that's ridiculous because it'd be impossible for him to go on all the rampages we've seen (which are fact) without killing anyone (which is speculation). Amadeus provides a perfectly comic-plausible explanation here for how he could have.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Did Bendis say that the Hulk killed intentionally?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Not directly, but I think he said something like he found the idea that the Hulk hadn't killed people in his rampages ludicrous.

 

[Tropico]

Oh, that the Hulk never intentionally killed any innocents. Bendis and others behind the scenes at Marvel claim that that's ridiculous because it'd be impossible for him to go on all the rampages we've seen (which are fact) without killing anyone (which is speculation). Amadeus provides a perfectly comic-plausible explanation here for how he could have.

Yeah, I ranted about that a couple of pages back. I find it very plausible for the Hulk to have accidentally killed people. Apparently more people find the explanation as to why he never killed anyone as cool while I find it ludicrous. Running numbers to do exactly the kind of damage he wanted? Please! Like I said, they're pulling a Hal. They're trying to take away any responsibility for the deaths he has been involved with.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Unlike Hal, he's never been specifically stated to be intentionally involved in any major death tolls until the Vegas incident, though. At least not on the scale Bendis implied. If you believe the Hulk's fallout has killed people, then it stands to reason that all the other heroes' fallout has killed people, too. Thor, Iron Man, and all the other heavies have leveled buildings and trashed cities and stuff, too, yet no one claims they're mass murderers.

 

[RockSP]

Bought:

The Boys 10
She-Hulk 21
Ultimate Fantastic Four 45
Gamma Corps 2
Infinity Inc. 1
Stormbringers 1
Outsiders 50
Countdown 34
Wraith 3
Loveless 19
Supervillain Team Up 3
New Warriors 4
The 99 (free issue)
World War Hulk: Frontline 3
Black Panther 30

Thought: (The ones in bold were the ones I enjoyed most.)

Infinity Inc: Not sure about this one. Not much happened but I will give it a couple more issues.

Wraith 3: It's not a good sign when the guest stars are more interesting than the star in a new character's book.

She-Hulk 21: He actually had me for a second. I actually thought she was gonna switch with her double

Stormbringers 1: Nice intro. Looking forward to the rest of this mini!

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Wraith 3: It's not a good sign when the guest stars are more interesting than the star in a new character's book.

It really isn't.

Unlike Hal, he's never been specifically stated to be intentionally involved in any major death tolls until the Vegas incident, though. At least not on the scale Bendis implied. If you believe the Hulk's fallout has killed people, then it stands to reason that all the other heroes' fallout has killed people, too. Thor, Iron Man, and all the other heavies have leveled buildings and trashed cities and stuff, too, yet no one claims they're mass murderers.

You know what? You're right, all the heroes have been involved at one time or another in fights that would have likely resulted in civilian casualties.

But for the moment, in relation to World War Hulk, we're not dealing with that right now. All that Cho proved in the issue was that the Hulk hadn't intentionally killed anyone.

Even in the Illuminati issue that was never implied, in fact I think Tony told Hill that it wasn't his fault when she complained to him about it.

So its not as if Pak retconned anything, the death count that Bendis laid out still stands.

 

[Tropico]

Unlike Hal, he's never been specifically stated to be intentionally involved in any major death tolls until the Vegas incident, though. At least not on the scale Bendis implied. If you believe the Hulk's fallout has killed people, then it stands to reason that all the other heroes' fallout has killed people, too. Thor, Iron Man, and all the other heavies have leveled buildings and trashed cities and stuff, too, yet no one claims they're mass murderers.

That's mostly why I have no problems with it. If the NW can be blames for Stamford and there were fatalities and injuries in CW, I don't see what the problem is. Marvel is taking a new direction in this regard, Mighty Avengers had them mentioning how many injuries their fight was causing, didn't it?

I have no problem with the dumb luck people have in comics so almost no one gets injured or killed. I have a problem with Banner running numbers in his head to cause miraculous effects so that it's not dumb luck. They also sold it REALLY hard this issue by showing Hulk attacking Amadeus and the kid coming out unscathed. Even when he buried the kid the rubble fell in such a manner that the he was protected.

Once again we're falling into the perfect mathematical world like the one Reed uses to predict stuff in CW when we all know that there are random factors that you can't take into consideration. Apparently, these factors don't affect Reed nor Bruce.

I'm sorry, I just can't believe that the Hulk can take into consideration every innocent being in his rampaging area. He has no super senses and no way to tell if there are people inside a structure or not. It's just bad. Bad and wrong. Badong, if you will. Dumb luck? Cool! It explains it for everyone. Teh awesum equashionz of Bruce Hulkmighty? No.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Those random factors don't count for Reed or Bruce or Amadeus because they're so smart. Intelligence > reality, duh.

Anyway, it's an ability that Amadeus Cho has, and now Bruce has it as well, although it's on a subconscious level for him. It's just another power, really. The Hulk doesn't need anymore, but as long as it's never made into a conscious ability, it shouldn't be a problem.