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Bought/Thought "OH NOEZZZ!!" Sept.20th Edition

Astonishing X-Men: Dread, I'm pretty sure the severe knock against giant, steel, kitchen doors was what knocked sense back into Logan. The beer is just what woke him up after the severe knock against giant, steel, kitchen doors.

The art suffered a little this issue, but the final page, proof that Kitty doesn't always have to be the one to save the day, got me excited enough for the last issue of this arc, even if it does seem like a "treading water" kind of story. There are a lot of minor points to wrap up, like when Lockheed became an agent of S.W.O.R.D., and major points, like why there are two Emma's. I'm sure it will all be answered in time, but I don't really want to wait.

Moon Knight amped up considerably this issue, and Taskmaster brings a little dark humor into an otherwise dreary book, even if he is a little whinier than I'd prefer. Mentioning several times that you're not fond of "field work" and fighting makes the subtle joke annoying, but his lines about not really having powers per se warranted a few chuckles. My only real complaint is that Spector had no lines. He's been awful quiet except for internal dialogue, but this issue didn't even have any of that. For those of us who don't have an iron-fisted grasp on the characters history and personal demons, a little explanation would have helped.

Nextwave was enjoyable, as usual, and who doesn't like Suicide Girls? Honestly. I'm definitely looking forward to Dirk Anger's return.

Chase, Chase, Chase. What have you done? His scenes stole the show, and shots of the other Runaways in action, aside from setting up the character moments that the series is based on, got in the way of the story I wanted to read. "Live Fast" is going to be an amazing arc and I look forward to it, especially when the proverbial other foot, namely "Die Young", of the mantra comes down. There's reason to worry that another death might come about, but as I'm a die-hard Vaughan fanboy, I have blind faith that things will be alright.

Whedon coming to the book is a mixed blessing. He's a great writer, though he relies on twisting cliches, and while it's a similar style of storytelling to what BKV does, he doesn't appear to have as much control over his giddiness, and that's what keeps Runaways as grounded and realistic, at least character-wise, as it is. I have hope, and that's all I can really say, but I can't offer much more until his first issue hits the shelf.

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Sensational Spider-Man was a decent read, though I'm not sold on the art, and I didn't get my copy of Ultimate Fantastic Four. Other than that, it was a pretty decent week.
 
Aquaman has been delayed it's due to the fact that when Busiek and Guice started the book they were already two months behind schedual and DC wouldn't allow them to take some months off and relaunch the title.

I'm a huge fan of Orin as Aquaman and really expected to hate this title. But ti's so far removed from a classic Superhero title I find myself enjoying it more and more each month. He might be Aquanewb but I think in the long run he is good for the whole Aquaman mythos. At least Orin is not dead as well.
 
yenaled said:
Aquaman has been delayed it's due to the fact that when Busiek and Guice started the book they were already two months behind schedual and DC wouldn't allow them to take some months off and relaunch the title.

I'm a huge fan of Orin as Aquaman and really expected to hate this title. But ti's so far removed from a classic Superhero title I find myself enjoying it more and more each month. He might be Aquanewb but I think in the long run he is good for the whole Aquaman mythos. At least Orin is not dead as well.

Same here. Aquaman is my favorite superhero and I thought that I'd hate the Aquanewb too. But in the end, it's providing a very entertaing story so far and Aquaman remains as one of my favorite books from DC.

Though I'd really would like to see what has happened to Lorena. I really want her to join the Teen Titans.
 
I have no doubt when Arthur Curry makes it to Sub Deigo she will show up. I'd love to see her in Titains as well.

Same with Tempest as well, I know he will show up just a matter of time.

There is a lot of story threads to play with; hell Aquanewb can't even talk to sealife yet. Hopefully the book will continue to sell well so they can all be explored.
 
Dread said:
I mean, really, BEER gets Logan to snap out of it!? Come the F-on! That's something an emotionally challenged 12 year old thinks is clever, which means it's fodder for generic comedy movies or TV shows. Or maybe I just need a sense of humor sometimes. I mean, you can't have a serious, surreal adventure and then a bit out of ROAD TRIP into the same story. It doesn't gell. At least not for this particular story, IMO.

it's not the beer. go back and re-read (LOOK AT IT) and you'll see it was clearly the knock on the head, genius.
 
Yeah, Hercules has kicked ass these last two issues of CW. I never really cared for him TOO much but CW's really turning me around.
Not Jake said:
Yeah, I guess you just don't get Whedon's style. Or the style of things that are good.:o
I never said Whedon wasn't good or that the issue was bad. It wasn't. I simply felt the "beer bit" was awkwardly placed in a story that, at least by the last 2 installments, has been going for surreal. Imagine if a THREE STOOGES routine got worked into a gritty episode of 24, and you'll see what I mean. Some stories can properly balance comedy and adventure like INDIANA JONES, but that wasn't as surreal as this arc was/is. Especially coming off those pages where Nova manipulates Kitty so painfully into doing her dirtywork.

Nasty-B said:
Marc Guggenheim, the writer of Wolverine, was actually an attorney before he became a writer.
Interesting. I was ignorant of that.

Like I said, I digressed a bit. I don't mind an "evil corporation" story, because lord knows plenty exist with alterior motives and "profitting from bad stuff". I just am a little annoyed that DAMAGE CONTROL is getting that treatment. Again, where does it end? Will Willie Lumpkin be revealed as a kiddie porn freak and kidnap Valeria? Will Impossible Man turn into a green demon monster and vaquish a star-system, sparking cosmic heroes to kill him? Where does the "gritti-fying" of once comedic franchises end in comics? DC invented the trend and capitilized on it far more often than Marvel has, but that doesn't make it right. DC makes mistakes, too.

Fenryr said:
Astonishing X-Men: Dread, I'm pretty sure the severe knock against giant, steel, kitchen doors was what knocked sense back into Logan. The beer is just what woke him up after the severe knock against giant, steel, kitchen doors.
photojones2 said:
it's not the beer. go back and re-read (LOOK AT IT) and you'll see it was clearly the knock on the head, genius.
Since you both raise this point I figure I'd answer them both here.

1). How would a knock on the noggin jog back the memory of a guy who instantly regenerates? Beast bit his leg and he popped his claws, nada. But that was supposed to work?

2). If it was the head-crash that jogged them, then that's worse than it being a beer can, because it's that much more childish. How many children's cartoons and sitcoms used that as a plot point? Like I said to Not Jake, my issue isn't exactly the sequence itself, but in placing a overly comedic bit into a story that didn't warrent it. It reads awkwardly after the intense, sad emotional wrangling of Kitty, for instance. At least to me.

3). Is it REALLY so "clear" that it was the crash? Logan wakes up with that same "frown" he's had on his face since Kitty brought "James Logan" back into the Mansion last issue. An entire page gets devoted to that beer can. It seemed clear to me that the beer was meant to be the "catalyst" to Logan snapping out of it. Because he "likes beer". I mean, that's an easy laugh. I can see Wizard gushing about it for hours.

However...

Fenryr said:
but the final page, proof that Kitty doesn't always have to be the one to save the day, got me excited enough for the last issue of this arc, even if it does seem like a "treading water" kind of story.
I whined about "Kitty saving the day" or being the key plot point of every arc of Astonishing, and you're right, she may have been a key player (Colossus has been pretty useless for a while now), but she may not save the day here, like she did in DANGER. So I may have been wrong in that regard and it's worth admitting. I'm not perfect.

And while the last page won't make any sense if Cyclops can really control his optic blasts, it was jazzy. There's enough to be discovered that a cliffhanger feels like a formality to draw in interest that is already there, but whatever. I mean, if he can control his blasts now, why fire a gun? Where'd he even get it?

You also raise some good concerns about Whedon on RUNAWAYS next year; about being overly "giddy" and relying on "twisting cliches" too much. Good points.
 
Dread said:
Since you both raise this point I figure I'd answer them both here.

1). How would a knock on the noggin jog back the memory of a guy who instantly regenerates? Beast bit his leg and he popped his claws, nada. But that was supposed to work?

how? because it's a ****ing comic book.
 
how? because it's a ****ing comic book.

No, that's a great point. Every inconsistency and example of terrible writing is okay, because it's a comic, right? Right?
 
Whedon is just sticking with what he has done before.

Remember AXM#6? The FF team up? "I really like beer."

Logan has had like 5 beer moments in AXM so far so this week's thing was no biggie...
 
yenaled said:
I have no doubt when Arthur Curry makes it to Sub Deigo she will show up. I'd love to see her in Titains as well.

Same with Tempest as well, I know he will show up just a matter of time.

There is a lot of story threads to play with; hell Aquanewb can't even talk to sealife yet. Hopefully the book will continue to sell well so they can all be explored.
I'm wondering how the real Aquaman's next meeting with Tempest will go.
Given that Tempest was pissed at Orin when he found he had a magic water hand, I can't imagine he'll take Orin's sudden upgrade to full-on mage very lightly.
 
BOUGHT:
52 #20
ARMY OF DARKNESS #10
ASTONISHING X-MEN #17
BIRDS OF PREY #98
BLADE #1
CATWOMAN #50
CIVIL WAR #4
CIVIL WAR X-MEN #3
EXILES #86
FLASH #4
GHOST RIDER #3
IRON MAN #12
MARVEL ADVENTURES AVENGERS #5
MARVEL ADVENTURES FANTASTIC FOUR #16
MOON KNIGHT #5
RUNAWAYS #20
SAVAGE RED SONJA #2
SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN #30
SUPERMAN #656
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #34
UNION JACK #1
WOLVERINE #46
X-FACTOR #11
X-MEN FIRST CLASS #1

THOUGHT:
52 #20 - The Main Man's motivations are revealed and looks like things are gonna get worse before they get better. Currently one of my top comics for the next year, it seems.

ARMY OF DARKNESS #10 - Ash vs. werewolves as he meets yet another warrior chick fighting against the evil. There was an attempt at humor in this issue, but the book's been slowly losing the AoD vibe it had when it first started. I'm hoping once they finish with the Monster Mash things will get back on track. Can't wait to see the match-up with Darkman, though.

ASTONISHING X-MEN #17 - So for all of Whedon's Wolvie bashing, he gives him one shining moment that makes ya think Wolvie's gonna be getting some major payback. Definitely the best X-Men title running, next to New X-Men, that is.

BIRDS OF PREY #98 - The new NEW Batwoman is revealed! Sort of. Plus the possible end of Black Canary's career? Yeah, I'm hooked to this book and can't wait for the next part.

BLADE #1 - An all-new Blade at an all-new attempt at a series. Forget what you know, 'cause this Blade ain't it. Frankly, I have mixed feelings. While I like an attempt at something new to revitalize a character, I kinda got used to the badass Blade that's come about since the movies. The artwork is good, but I could've done without Spidey's completely useless and unexplained inclusion in the book. Maybe sales on Blade would help if Marvel could PICK a version of the character they want to do and stick with it, not reinvent it every time they do another book.

CATWOMAN #50 - Film Freak goes out on a murder spree while Catwoman looks to save her replacement. Definitely turning out to be a good tale, and this villain is all kinds of crazy evil.

CIVIL WAR #4 - The secret of Thor revealed! Another hero dead! A family divided! Sides being changed! Yeah, this is all kinds of good.

CIVIL WAR X-MEN #3 - So an entire issue dedicated to a misunderstanding fight and the government getting a clue not all its intentions are good. Frankly, this is the weakest CW tie-in yet. Thank god it's only 4 issues.

EXILES #86 - The mega Wolverine crossover concludes! Man, I loved it. Brother Mutant was a very creative and original villain and the jokes are what makes this book so great. I hope it can keep on with the hits.

FLASH #4 - The story's getting a bit better as the Flash decides he needs to be Flash and Griffin becomes your typical "starts out a hero but turns evil" guy. Hard to get used to a Flash that doesn't crack jokes. Thanks to the 'toons, I view Flash as the Spidey of the DCU.

GHOST RIDER #3 - Strange vs. GR. That's about all that happens here, aside from the intro of more demons that are gonna cause trouble soon. Art's good, but the story is sooooooooooooo sloooooooooooooow.

IRON MAN #12 - And so Tony's motivations for CW are set. While I still think he's an *******, this was a great arc and made good use of that damn first one that took for-freakin'-ever to finish.

MARVEL ADVENTURES AVENGERS #5 - So, it's official; these Avengers are COMPLETELY different from the ones we know, being Loki had no hand in their original formation, nor had they any contact with him before this adventure. This issue basically has me wondering if we'll ever get to see the origin of this team like we got to see the new origin of the Wrecker.

MOON KNIGHT #5 - The story is finally moving towards the big confrontation, however this is another book that's extremely slow. I HATE decompression with a PASSION. Used to be we got so much story for our money. Now we have to shell out DOUBLE that amount just to get the same amount of story. And I still miss Taskmaster's uniform upgrade.

NEXTWAVE #8 - Oh, wait, I didn't get it? That's right...because I DROPPED IT! I dropped this piece of crap like last week's garbage. Yes, I have finally overcome my completist Marvel Zombie attitude. I will be dropping a lot more titles in the coming months. Unfortunately, Black Panther gets a reprieve as it's just about to begin its Civil War tie-in. Dammit.

RUNAWAYS #20 - Another sensational issue which makes you question what's going on with Chase. Can't wait for the next issue!

SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN #30 - The best of the 616 Spidey books. The art is good and the story is fairly interesting, despite some continuity flubs (which still shock me considering how well this guy stuck to it on 4). I still wish Chameleon died by Kraven II's hand back in Spectacular. Kind of a craptastic resurrection/omition.

SUPERMAN #656 - Supes vs. Subjekt. I dunno, I'm just not digging Supes like I was pre-Crisis. Something about this story just falls flat, dunno what.

ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #34 - Another one falling short this month as the FF take on the aliens (sort of) only to have to face the real bad aliens. I'm really starting to miss the old creative team on this one as this story lacks any significant punch.

UNION JACK #1 - Britain gets a hero again. The art is great and the writer does a fair job of mimicking British slang. Hell, they even use the Brit spelling on some words. The only thing hindering the story so far is the typical "team with major differences forced together and at each other's throats" dynamic. A bit of an overplayed plot device. But, it was cool to see Nick Fury's ex back in the picture...ya know, the chick with the INCREDIBLY long name I won't even TRY to memorize.

WOLVERINE #46 - Wolverine vs. Damage Control! And the art suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks! The story is decent but my god, the art! The horrible, horrible art!

X-FACTOR #11 - Guido's deception revealed! Quicksilver! Insight into Multiple Man's past! And more Tryps than you can shake a stick at! I think the only fair way to judge this story is when it reaches it's conclusion, but otherwise I'm digging this a lot more than anything David's done recently.

X-MEN FIRST CLASS #1 - An interesting take in an updated look at the X-Men's early years. Love the updated costumes and we'll see how the series develops.
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
BOUGHT:
SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN #30 - The best of the 616 Spidey books. The art is good and the story is fairly interesting, despite some continuity flubs (which still shock me considering how well this guy stuck to it on 4).

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was put off by Felicia's rant. I kept reading it and saying "Weren't you arguing with Mary Jane over a beaten-up Pete when this book was still MK: Spider-Man? When did you forget that he was Spider-Man?"
 
Dread said:
CIVIL WAR #4: I was cynically not expecting it so it was nice to be pleasantly surprised. Basically, Iron Man pulled a "Lex Luthor from SUPERMAN IV" here; took a strand of Thor's hair and cloned himself a "psuedo-god-clone" thing, complete with a techno-hammer. Some are calling him Thor 2.0, .
I coined that first :woot:
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
NEXTWAVE #8 - Oh, wait, I didn't get it? That's right...because I DROPPED IT! I dropped this piece of crap like last week's garbage. Yes, I have finally overcome my completist Marvel Zombie attitude. I will be dropping a lot more titles in the coming months. Unfortunately, Black Panther gets a reprieve as it's just about to begin its Civil War tie-in. Dammit.

HA HA Yet another person sees the light...in your face pwner! :oldrazz:
 
Anybody who gives Nextwave a Must Have an' 52 a Check It obviously knows not what they're talkin' about.
 
I'll give my two cents, but so far I've only a couple of mine....


Civil War #4

There was a story that was done by DC not long ago, I'm sure you heard about it...it was called Infinite Crisis. One problem I had with that story is they took a good character, Alexander Luthor, who had been nothing but a hero and a savior during Crisis on Infinite Earths, and they made him a villian to fit the story. There was no reason he should have become a villian, except that they needed one to fit their story. Thus I'm having a problem accepting a few things with Civil War.

Tony Stark is my problem. He had always been a hero, maybe a little cocky at times, but he has never really shown any real villian roots. But in one issue we have him basically mimicing Hitler, creating killer clones, ready to beat to a bloody pulp and turn in friends that he has worked beside for many years, and start hiring killers to round up his "friends."

That just irks me. The story is told well, moves at a fast pace, and is miles above House of M from last year. But just like Alexander Luthor brought down an awsome story like Infinite Crisis, Tony Stark and his cronies bring down this story.

Stick to Annihilation, where there is a real hero epic going.:word:
 
Nextwave is hysterical. British humor is lost on a lot of people. And 52 was amazing this week.
 
Brainiac 8 said:
I'll give my two cents, but so far I've only a couple of mine....


Civil War #4

There was a story that was done by DC not long ago, I'm sure you heard about it...it was called Infinite Crisis. One problem I had with that story is they took a good character, Alexander Luthor, who had been nothing but a hero and a savior during Crisis on Infinite Earths, and they made him a villian to fit the story. There was no reason he should have become a villian, except that they needed one to fit their story. Thus I'm having a problem accepting a few things with Civil War.

Alexander wasn't really a villain in IC - he thought he was fixing things, just going about it like a Luthor would. SBP was the real villain of IC.
 
Doc Destruction said:
Nextwave is hysterical. British humor is lost on a lot of people. And 52 was amazing this week.

I'm british and I think nextwave's is teh ****tiest book marvel put's out at the moment...yeah worse than WOLVERINE ORIGINS :wow:
 
Doc Destruction said:
Alexander wasn't really a villain in IC - he thought he was fixing things, just going about it like a Luthor would. SBP was the real villain of IC.


It's the same reason they are using behind what Tony is doing. That effectively makes them both villians though.

Alexander: Gathered a group of villians to collect/kill heroes.

Tony: Gathered a group of villians to collect/kill heroes.


Alexander: fighting and killing heroes he once fought beside and called his friends.

Tony: Fighting and killing heroes he once fought beside and called his friends.


Alexander: Got friends involved, thus sinking them down to the same level as him, and ultimately considered those friends expendable.

Tony: Got friends involved, thus sinking them down to the same level as him, and ultimately considered those friends expendable.

Two wrongs don't make a right. The way they are going about what they wanted to do is in effect making them villians.
Magneto is a villian, yet everything he does he thinks he is doing for the good of all. He has good intentions, but goes about them the wrong way, but he is just as much a villian as Dr. Doom.

It's no different for Alexander Luthor and Tony Stark. :o
 
I see your point. You have to remember though, Alex was a Luthor afterall. Stark has no excuse.
 

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