Box Office Numbers (& Competition)

Please check your estimates for opening 4 days & domestic gross. (votes are public)

  • 1st 4 days < 20 million

  • 1st 4 days 20-30 million

  • 1st 4 days 30-40 million

  • 1st 4 days 40-50 million

  • 1st 4 days 50-60 million

  • 1st 4 days 60+ Million

  • Total Domestic Gross < 50 million

  • Total Domestic Gross 50-60 million

  • Total Domestic Gross 60-70 million

  • Total Domestic Gross 70-80 million

  • Total Domestic Gross 80-90 million

  • Total Domestic Gorss 90-100 million

  • Total Domestic Gross 100-110 million

  • Total Domestic Gross 110-120 million

  • Total Domestic Gross 120+ Million


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^dont forget the studios only see about 55% of that money.

I liked the film, but it's merely won the opening battle of the war. Next weekend will be huge for it. If it drops more than 60% that'll be a pretty good indicator of it's WOM and its chances of getting near the $200 million range domestically

200 isn't possible. Fantastic Four opened at what 58 million in 3 days and cleared 150 million domestic in the Summer where weekday #'s are much bigger than they are in the winter cause kids are in school. Anything over 120 domestic would be gravy.
 
Avi's the man...period. You should probably read about what he's done for the industry before you make ignorant comments.

Actually, Avi has said and done some pretty ignorant things. He said the following in 2005 which ticked off a lot of X-Men fans during the Brett Ratner hiring controversy:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/632/632935p1.html


He also helped produce comic book classic films such as Daredevil, Elektra, and Manthing.:oldrazz:
 
^ That's irrelevant if you look at the big picture. Avi turned a bankrupt company into a one of the top 3 licensing power houses on the planet. He sold the idea of superhero films back to the studios and got this whole genre out of the gutter. Period. He's allowed a few misktakes here and there but does not (even as a producer) have control of the studios who bought them. Finally Marvel used avi's magic to build up the confidence in the genre to get 525 in financing and start it's own studio division and video game division. :) Nothing is perfect but Avi's the man.

Also I 100% support Avi's "idiots' comment. That was taken out of context and what he's talking about was before X3 was even made all of the harsh bashing of Brett Ratner on AICN (after Vaughn was booted) and from Harry and the talkbackers and from anyone else calling Ratner names like loser, hack, POS, cokehead, how X3 was gonna be a failure, etc...These so called fans were tearing Ratner apart on a very personal and hateful level. It's like a lynch mob bandwagon of haters. They are idiots. Theres a difference in not liking one's work and personally attacking and bashing someone. It was very bad and I felt bad for the crap Ratner went through from all the Singer worshipers. It was immature and pathetic.
 
I realize that the studio only gets 55% but they also get the DVD revenue, tv rights for network, cable, ppv, etc...Marvel get's a % of that since GR is licensed out to Sony (they had to at the time) but Marvel also gets the merchandise revenue. :) Also product placements help and people that wish to use GR to advertise there products help pay down the costs.

we'll see. a lot of the licensing stuff isnt the money in the bank that some make it out to be. Look at Superman Returns, it had all kinds of silly merchandise and toys but the stuff didnt sell.

A lot of the merch and TV royalties are negotiated up front too and arent dependent on how well the film does. Some times thats a curse, other times its a blessing. I'd have to think they projected GR to be like DD was that could hurt it in the end.
 
It's official...
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^ Superman toyline was weak. GR's is way better. Who the hell wants to play with a bald Kevin Spacey doll. Superman Returns was a great flick but also done before and I'm sick of Lex. Supes needs a villain that can sell toys as well.
 
^ That's irrelevant if you look at the big picture. Avi turned a bankrupt company into a one of the top 3 licensing power houses on the planet. He sold the idea of superhero films back to the studios and got this whole genre out of the gutter. Period. He's allowed a few misktakes here and there but does not (even as a producer) have control of the studios who bought them. Finally Marvel used avi's magic to build up the confidence in the genre to get 525 in financing and start it's own studio division and video game division. :) Nothing is perfect but Avi's the man.

WORD!!!:cool: :D :up:
 
Actually, Avi has said and done some pretty ignorant things. He said the following in 2005 which ticked off a lot of X-Men fans during the Brett Ratner hiring controversy:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/632/632935p1.html


He also helped produce comic book classic films such as Daredevil, Elektra, and Manthing.:oldrazz:

Not to mention financial failures such as Blade, Blade 2, X-Men, X-Men 2, X-Men 3, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, and Fantastic Four, right? :whatever:

Tell me; is every endeavor YOU personally attempt in life a smashing success?

Arad's success record speaks for itself.

Clearly.
 
^ That's irrelevant if you look at the big picture. Avi turned a bankrupt company into a one of the top 3 licensing power houses on the planet. He sold the idea of superhero films back to the studios and got this whole genre out of the gutter. Period. He's allowed a few misktakes here and there but does not (even as a producer) have control of the studios who bought them. Finally Marvel used avi's magic to build up the confidence in the genre to get 525 in financing and start it's own studio division and video game division. :) Nothing is perfect but Avi's the man.

Also I 100% support Avi's "idiots' comment. That was taken out of context and what he's talking about was before X3 was even made all of the harsh bashing of Brett Ratner on AICN (after Vaughn was booted) and from Harry and the talkbackers and from anyone else calling Ratner names like loser, hack, POS, cokehead, how X3 was gonna be a failure, etc...These so called fans were tearing Ratner apart on a very personal and hateful level. It's like a lynch mob bandwagon of haters. They are idiots. Theres a difference in not liking one's work and personally attacking and bashing someone. It was very bad and I felt bad for the crap Ratner went through from all the Singer worshipers. It was immature and pathetic.

You have said what needed to be said my man. Ungrateful is a word that characterizes a lot of uninformed people these days.

The man works his butt off to save a company that was about to become a laughing stock and was spiralling into bankruptcy.

He made Marvel viable again and went to hollywood and convinced them that marvel characters were a valuable property.

Evidence of the esteem the characters were held in prior to Avi can be seen in a little 1994 movie by one Roger Corman, a movie that though it was made in a hurry due to some licensing shenanigans should never have been conceived by any self respecting producer, director or studio.

This movie represented the lot that fell on marvel, they were a joke in the movie world.

And now Avi working with Marvel has given us Spiderman 1 & 2, Xmen 1-3, Blade 1-3, Daredevil, Electra, Hulk, FF 1-2 and now Ghostrider and now because of the success we now have a new movie studio by the House of Ideas themselves.

And people are saying he should not be let near another movie because he did not give them every little thing that they wanted.

I am a fanboy but this is so pathetic, ungrateful and juvenile that it boggles the mind.

Some talk about how some movies are geared towards the kiddies but their insipid attacks at times borders on the ridiculous and it is becoming the norm to nit pick everything to death and insult hard working people.

These people are under the tremendous pressure and strain of 100 million dollar epics and are being rediculed because of, let me quote it from one discerning soul "sinned against all humanity by forgetting to have the Devil change his attire once or twice during the film". These guys lost countless hours of sleep trying to get fire effects and other stuff to look believable and in the pressure cooker of the production cycle forgot one or two things or through sheer difficulty had to cut a few action scenes short as they just did not have the money.

And they probably did not have the money because the studios know how we are. We can turn on a project like rabid dogs at the drop of a hat.

Well fine, go ahead and spew all the vitriol that at times seems almost like self imolation, as if they want the movies and the genre to tank, because as they put it all these people that have brought us all of this are hacks who hate the fanboys and just want to make money.

Well at least they are being productive.

And I am done, just had to get that off my chest.
 
^ Yep and we'd never have seen Hellboy, Sin City, 300, Batman Begins or any of these other films as we are today in the same fashion without the new foundation Avi built.
 
I hope this B.O. success will secure us a part 2. I hope the film improves for the sequel.
 
Should have similar #'s to The Hulk but the difference is Ghost Rider is beating all expectations while Hulk (one of my favs) under performed it's potential.
 
^ Yep and we'd never have seen Hellboy, Sin City, 300, Batman Begins or any of these other films as we are today in the same fashion without the new foundation Avi built.

Exactly, MIB gave a hint that comic book properties could work in a big way but that was such an obsure connection that it took Blade and Wesly Snipes for Hollywood to realize that Avi and Marvel had something.

Once Marvel got into the act, DC got their engine started again and we got BB, then SR, and Singer God help him gets a chance to do a sequel after being eaten alive (and he better bring some action).

Now other people are getting into it. Look at Frank Millar with Sin City and now 300 and V for Vendetta and it does not end there.

Flash and Wonder Woman are coming and now the genre is being recognized as a genre as opposed to a fad.

So these movies are going to have a cyclic life, to be remade and reinterpreted many times over.

Whoa who would believe it, look at how far we have come.
 
'Ghost Rider' Blazes in Debut
by Brandon Gray
February 19, 2007


Ghost Rider steered a herd of new releases to the highest overall gross the President's Day four-day holiday weekend has ever seen: an estimated $189 million. After four down weeks, the box office came roaring back with a 21 percent increase over the same frame in 2006 when Eight Below was on top.
Ablaze with a new President's Day four-day opening record, Ghost Rider rustled up an estimated $51.5 million on around 5,100 screens at 3,619 theaters. Sony's $110 million Marvel Comics adaptation follows in the footsteps of past President's Day comic book movies, Daredevil with $45.1 million in 2003 and Constantine with $33.6 million in 2005. Sony's exit polling indicated that Ghost Rider's audience was 62 percent male and 63 percent 18 to 39 years old.
Among hell-themed comic book movies, Ghost Rider handily burned brighter than Constantine, Hellboy and Spawn and it continued the trend of popular comic book characters delivering sizable openings. Daredevil and Constantine's four-day openings each accounted for 44 percent of their final grosses, and, if Ghost Rider follows suit, it would make over $110 million by the time it's extinguished.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2255&p=.htm
 
'Ghost Rider' Blazes in Debut
by Brandon Gray
February 19, 2007


Ghost Rider steered a herd of new releases to the highest overall gross the President's Day four-day holiday weekend has ever seen: an estimated $189 million. After four down weeks, the box office came roaring back with a 21 percent increase over the same frame in 2006 when Eight Below was on top.
Ablaze with a new President's Day four-day opening record, Ghost Rider rustled up an estimated $51.5 million on around 5,100 screens at 3,619 theaters. Sony's $110 million Marvel Comics adaptation follows in the footsteps of past President's Day comic book movies, Daredevil with $45.1 million in 2003 and Constantine with $33.6 million in 2005. Sony's exit polling indicated that Ghost Rider's audience was 62 percent male and 63 percent 18 to 39 years old.
Among hell-themed comic book movies, Ghost Rider handily burned brighter than Constantine, Hellboy and Spawn and it continued the trend of popular comic book characters delivering sizable openings. Daredevil and Constantine's four-day openings each accounted for 44 percent of their final grosses, and, if Ghost Rider follows suit, it would make over $110 million by the time it's extinguished.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2255&p=.htm

So if it follows suit it would make 110million and still be in the red by 10million since the budget was projected to be 120million for months. Is that considered a hit? These films shouldn't need worldwide grosses to make money past their budgets. The 120million may not even include the amount of money spent on marketing. Half of the profit will be taken away through taxes by the IRS. After Sony realizes how unprofitable this film was they will find little justification for making a sequel any time soon.
 
So if it follows suit it would make 110million and still be in the red by 10million since the budget was projected to be 120million for months. Is that considered a hit? These films shouldn't need worldwide grosses to make money past their budgets. The 120million may not even include the amount of money spent on marketing. Half of the profit will be taken away through taxes by the IRS. After Sony realizes how unprofitable this film was they will find little justification for making a sequel any time soon.



I guess the same can be said for Superman Returns then right?
 
Not to mention financial failures such as Blade, Blade 2, X-Men, X-Men 2, X-Men 3, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, and Fantastic Four, right? :whatever:

Tell me; is every endeavor YOU personally attempt in life a smashing success?

Arad's success record speaks for itself.

Clearly.

Its nice to see that you didn't mention The Hulk, Blade Trinity, Daredevil, Elektra, and The Punisher. Overall these films had mediocre domestic box office results and most comic book fans hated these films. Why did Avi let hack directors and writers screw up most of these films when more care was given to the above films you mentioned that performed well at the boxoffice? By the way X3 is not a good example. The film had the worst domestic profit percentage out of all X-Men movies. The movie underperformed big time. It was added to Boxofficemojo's list of greatest second weekend dropoffs. :oldrazz: Without it's foreign gross there would be little financial justification to make another X-Men film. Tom Rothman said the success of that film would determine the future production of X-Men films. Don't expect another X-Men film to be made by Fox for another 10 years.
 
Well, when I asked Avi if we're going to get a sequel at the After Party last week, his words were "We'll see after this weekend".

The weekend is over and because of how it turned out I'm pretty darn sure we're gonna get a sequel.
 
Its nice to see that you didn't mention The Hulk, Blade Trinity, Daredevil, Elektra, and The Punisher. Overall these films had mediocre domestic box office results and most comic book fans hated these films. Why did Avi let hack directors and writers screw up most of these films when more care was given to the above films you mentioned that performed well at the boxoffice? By the way X3 is not a good example. The film had the worst domestic profit percentage out of all X-Men movies. The movie underperformed big time. It was added to Boxofficemojo's list of greatest second weekend dropoffs. :oldrazz: Without it's foreign gross there would be little financial justification to make another X-Men film. Tom Rothman said the success of that film would determine the future production of X-Men films. Don't expect another X-Men film to be made by Fox for another 10 years.

Daredevil, The Hulk, and Punisher were not finanical failures. Elektra was. Since then Marvel started it's own studio to take back control of the rest of the characters not licensed out. Without foregin gross what would be the justification to make another Superman film, James Bond, and most other big budget films? Huh?

Daredevil made a profit as did The Hulk, and yes The Punisher which was a low budget film.
 
Daredevil, The Hulk, and Punisher were not finanical failures. Elektra was. Since then Marvel started it's own studio to take back control of the rest of the characters not licensed out. Without foregin gross what would be the justification to make another Superman film, James Bond, and most other big budget films? Huh?

Daredevil made a profit as did The Hulk, and yes The Punisher which was a low budget film.


yep Electra was Marvels failure and considering how bad Cat woman was it wasn't even the sorse financial failure for the Comic book world

Catwoman cost 100 million to make sheesh!
 
After Elektra Avi came out and said...never again to that kind of film and a year later Marvel studios was born. Avi to this day still wears an Elektra bracelet to remind him of that mistake every single day.

Marvel was obviously sick of studios dragging their feet and getting most of the money. :)
 
Daredevil, The Hulk, and Punisher were not finanical failures. Elektra was. Since then Marvel started it's own studio to take back control of the rest of the characters not licensed out. Without foregin gross what would be the justification to make another Superman film, James Bond, and most other big budget films? Huh?

Daredevil made a profit as did The Hulk, and yes The Punisher which was a low budget film.

SR is one of the most horrible examples. WB had wasted a fortune before Singer came onto the project. A superman movie had not been made in 25 years!!! WB was just hoping to break even with that film and hoped they could make sequels so of course the foreign gross justified reasons to make more movies. When I get back from work in 10 hours I will continue discussion. I have many examples of movies made to start a franchises that had mediocre domestic grosses and good foreign grosses yet no sequels were made. Godzilla, Lost in space, and Van Helsing are some of these movies. Have a nice day.
 
^ The difference is these are Marvel characters whose movies are supported before, during and after the film by video games, toys, clothing, and tons of other merchandise. Also other companies are paying the studios and Marvel to use the characters to promote their products to pay down the costs. Lost in Space and Van Hesling, & even Godzilla don't have an extended campaign for this kind of thing.

Ghost Rider 2 is coming like it or not.
 
You all probably noticed a merge. If not, yeah, there was a merge.

Man, I'm so freakin' excited about the fact that this movie made so much in the first 4 days. It's incredible to see. I mean, I always knew it was going to happen but... still, incredible to see.
 

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