Box Office Numbers (& Competition)

[Tony Stark]

DC should just drop Wonder Woman and get Green Lantern off the ground already, or Lobo, Sandman, etc...

Because DC is owned by Warner, they do not have the freedom or the ingenuity to make the deals that Marvel has.

The fact that their flagship character had one of the biggest flops of the year (and don't tell me it was a success). Not to mention the fact they spent close to 15 years trying to relaunch Superman and failed time after time, and finally came out with an extremely mediocre effort.

Batman Begins success had nothing to do with DC or Warner, but to a genious director and a good writing team who understood the character and the tone. Even still Begins was more of a cerebral movie than a comic movie.

 

[GL's Light]

Batman Begins success had nothing to do with DC or Warner, but to a genious director and a good writing team who understood the character and the tone. Even still Begins was more of a cerebral movie than a comic movie.

Well, that doesn't make sense. If Warners gets the blame (and they should) when they hire the wrong people and make a crap movie then they should get the credit when they hire the right people and make a good or great one. That's only fair.

Also, just because a comic book movie is cerebral doesn't make it any less of a comic book movie. Comic books offer a wide variation in tones and styles and comic book movies should be no different.

 

[Tony Stark]

Wasn't saying it wasn't less of a comic movie, I'm only saying Begins is a good movie all around, not just a good comic movie.

 

[terry78]

Truth be told, DC has a massive amount of characters ripe for merchandising and tie-ins with live action flicks that would appeal to both kids and adults, but they keep going the wrong route.

 

[GL's Light]

The development process at Warners is lengthy and torturous, which is very frustrating for DC fans. And it's a process that can either lead to a great film or a terrible one. Warners is all over the map when it comes to DC adaptations.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Because DC is owned by Warner, they do not have the freedom or the ingenuity to make the deals that Marvel has.

The fact that their flagship character had one of the biggest flops of the year (and don't tell me it was a success). Not to mention the fact they spent close to 15 years trying to relaunch Superman and failed time after time, and finally came out with an extremely mediocre effort.

Batman Begins success had nothing to do with DC or Warner, but to a genious director and a good writing team who understood the character and the tone. Even still Begins was more of a cerebral movie than a comic movie.

I know and agree with what you say above. However Batman showed us something much different than the previous films and much better IMO. Superman was a great film but it felt like just an updated version of the first 2. Nothing really new...just better F/X. The problem with DC is most of there characters are dated or just downright silly if left as shown in the source material. The one's that I think are the most marketable for DC:

1) Batman
2) Superman
3) Green Lantern
4) Flash
5) Lobo
6) Sandman
7) Teen Titans (CGI or LIVE)
8) Aquaman (CGI)

 

[Carp Man]

DC should just drop Wonder Woman and get Green Lantern off the ground already, or Lobo, Sandman, etc...

Yea. They should drop Wonder Woman. Haven't they learned yet that a superher movie with a female as the lead bombs ? ( Catwoman, Supergirl, Elektra, Aeon Flux ), and the list goes on. Tomb Raider is the exception to the rule. I'd see Angelina in any movie. Green Lantern, Flash. There are viable charactors in the DC stable. Like you said, did anyone think 10 years ago that a Ghost Rider movie would do big boxoffice business ?

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ We'll know in about 2 weeks but I think GR might outperform it's domestic gross in the international market. They estimates are revised up now from 15.5 to 16.4 Fri-Sun but all huge markets are still left and they tend to hang around longer overseas due to the fact they don't have huge megaplexes in all these countries.

 

[highguard]

At the risk of stating the obvious, it isn't only about total box-office, as far as determining whether a movie gets a sequel or not.

HULK and DD both had decent B.O. takes, but they had lousy legs, both earning a huge chunk of their total box office during their first week. That means word-of-mouth probably wasn't very good, so studios assume demand for a sequel wasn't very high (DD2 appears to be dead; HULK 2 is basically starting the franchise over).

Had DD opened with 20 million and still gotten over $100 mil, it probably would've gotten a sequel, IMO. That's why I'm not convinced that GR2 will be greenlit until I see next weekend's take. A 60% or more drop in its B.O. could kill any sequel hopes. But competition doesn't look that great, so I'm thinking it'll do a little better than that...

Well DD did well but the studios thought it was because of Jennifer Garner who was hot in hollywood at the time.

And they made a weak, B movie with tv stars and a plot that I can't recall, something a bout a young girl. The fights were weak and they paid for it.

As Avi said, they messed up.

They could have and should have done a DD sequel but Ben was out in hollywood because he was being regarded as Jennifer Lopez's toyboy.

So Fox did not want touch him.

Then Ben knowing they were not calling him, trashed the character himself.

And that ended the story of DD2.

 

[Carp Man]

Daredevil grossed 2.3X its production budget. Ghost Rider would have to gross over $ 270 million worldwide to equal that return, which is unlikely. Daredevil was a much more solid hit than people give it credit for.

I liked ya till this comment. t: J/K. Ghost Rider is head and shoulders above Daredevil. The biggest problem with DD was Ben Afflack. Cage did a good job, with a difficult charactor. The supporting cast left much to be desired, but I enjoyed Ghost Rider. Watching Daredevil, was worse then root canal.

 

[highguard]

DC should just drop Wonder Woman and get Green Lantern off the ground already, or Lobo, Sandman, etc...

That is the ticket, can you picture Hal doing his green lantern monologue about evil"


"In brightest day, in blackest night No evil shall escape my sight Let those who worship evil's might Beware my power, Green Lantern's light!"

Now is that too cool or what.

 

[GL's Light]

I liked ya till this comment. t: J/K. Ghost Rider is head and shoulders above Daredevil. The biggest problem with DD was Ben Afflack. Cage did a good job, with a difficult charactor. The supporting cast left much to be desired, but I enjoyed Ghost Rider. Watching Daredevil, was worse then root canal.

Well, I thought the theatrical cut of DD was mediocre, but I like the Director's Cut well enough. But I wasn't talking about quality, I was just talking about it in terms of return on investment. On that front it was a solid hit, regardless of the differing opinions as to its creative merits or demerits.

 

[ultimatefan]

Wonder Woman can make a very cool movie if done right. Her origin mixes Greek mythology, female empowerment, fish out of water conflict and action/adventure, how is that not potentially cool?

 

[Advanced Dark]

Week 1: Ghost Rider Rankings

All Time Domestic 902
Top Movies in the Past 365 Days 58
Yearly 20073
Yearly Opening Weekends 2007 1
Yearly PG-13 Rated 2007 3
Worldwide Yearly 2007 4
Theater Averages (Wide Releases) - All Time 149
Theater Averages - Wide Opening Weekends 125
Opening Weekends79Opening Weekends - February 3
Opening Weekends - Winter 3
President's Day 4-Day Holiday Weekend Openers 1
President's Day 4-Day Holiday Weekends1
Rated PG-13, Opening Weekends 52
Widest Releases52Widest Opening Releases 42
BOM Users' Grades (2007 Releases) 5

http://www.boxofficemojo.com

 

[highguard]

Well, that doesn't make sense. If Warners gets the blame (and they should) when they hire the wrong people and make a crap movie then they should get the credit when they hire the right people and make a good or great one. That's only fair.

Also, just because a comic book movie is cerebral doesn't make it any less of a comic book movie. Comic books offer a wide variation in tones and styles and comic book movies should be no different.

I agree with you GL, not every movie has to be BB and not every movie needs to be FF but they represent different treatments. If all of the movies looked the same we would get bored.

That is one of the critisms on the boards, sometimes people think well I like this, and every movie should be like that. Well there is room for variations.

 

[Carp Man]

Wonder Woman can make a very cool movie if done right. Her origin mixes Greek mythology, female empowerment, fish out of water conflict and action/adventure, how is that not potentially cool?

It's a cool idea, but will not sell. Book it. It may make a few bucks, but I guarantee there will not be a WW 2. It's a mistake, they should drop it, WB should get off the stick, and start developing some of the male charactors, and forget women superhero movies totaly.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Wonder Woman would be box office poison. The primary demographic for superhero action flicks are young males as proven in Ghost Rider. Sure we like looking at hot women but we don't flock to see 100 million dollar actions flicks about a girl in a flag bikini with a magic lasso flying an invisbible jet. Just makes no sense. Even if they made it a comedy it would flop.

Now a Wonder Woman TV series during the early afternoon on Lifetime would sell.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Showbiz Data showing 4 day totals at 52.5 million!

 

[GL's Light]

A Wonder Woman movie could be successful, and lead to sequels, you just need to conceptualize it properly and make it for the right price. A $ 100 million budget would be foolhardy, but a smart filmmaker should be able to make a great Wondy film for $ 50-60 million, which would make turning a good profit much easier.

 

[The Kid]

What are you smokin, Daffy duck... A wonder woman film should be made for much more than that. The profit should be determined by the quality of the film, not marketing or budget. I'm sick of studios playing it safe at the expense of greatness. And it should be a huge epic that spares no expense and treats the source material with uttmost respect above all. I'd make the movie if they wanted me to do it.

I have a vision I know you'd all bow down and appreciate for sure.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yeah they could make a WW film but honestly nobody would show up. The only director who'd probably do it is McG.

 

[Advanced Dark]

What are you smokin, Daffy duck... A wonder woman film should be made for much more than that. The profit should be determined by the quality of the film, not marketing or budget. I'm sick of studios playing it safe at the expense of greatness. And it should be a huge epic that spares no expense and treats the source material with uttmost respect above all. I'd make the movie if they wanted me to do it.

I have a vision I know you'd all bow down and appreciate for sure.

Oh boy. Another rejected sci-fi channel pilot in the making. Nooooooo!

 

[Carp Man]

A Wonder Woman movie could be successful, and lead to sequels, you just need to conceptualize it properly and make it for the right price. A $ 100 million budget would be foolhardy, but a smart filmmaker should be able to make a great Wondy film for $ 50-60 million, which would make turning a good profit much easier.

You want a guy who can make a movie on the cheap ? I got just the person for ya. Roger Corman. Give him a pizza, and 10 bucks, and he would turn out a cheep, corny, WW movie for ya, and sequel goes BOOM.

 

[The Kid]

Oh boy. Another rejected sci-fi channel pilot in the making. Nooooooo!

 

[Carp Man]

Sure we like looking at hot women but we don't flock to see 100 million dollar actions flicks about a girl in a flag bikini with a magic lasso flying an invisbible jet.

ROTFLMAO.