Breaking Bad - All Bad Things Must Come To An End - The Finale Thread
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Okay, longest post in this thread in a while, and nothing new here, but I need to get some things off my chest.
Breaking Bad is more open to interpretation than the brains behind it expected or wanted, I think. What I'm really referring to is "Ozymandias," and particularly the phone call scene. The writer of the episode said it wasn't meant to be open to interpretation, but plenty of people misinterpreted it (not that unbelievably), and I confess I was one of them. (Hey, it was a difficult hour+, and I'm not a bright guy.) It was the first review of the episode that I read that made me realize that Walt's call was actually a brilliant strategic move to take any heat off of Skyler and place it all on himself. Okay, that's great, that's powerful. But...
I was - well, I'm embarrassed to say I still am - unsure whether Walt needed to make that call the way he did. With Gomez, Hank, and Jesse all out of the picture, who was Walt afraid of? Marie? Did he really believe that Marie would inform the police - who were there in response to Jr.'s call about the knife fight and the statement that he may have killed someone - about Skyler's involvement? I questioned whether Walt was exonerating Skyler or actually giving the police more information than they had at that point and removing any plausible deniability she could have had. "The call was a brilliant bit of subterfuge, but was it truly necessary?" No doubt I've oversimplified/overlooked things, and it doesn't especially matter at this point.
The more compelling - and frustrating - issue with the phone call scene is: How much of what Walt says is genuine? I can't buy the idea that it was all performance, for two reasons: (1) because I can't accept that, in the final season of the show, Heisenberg can be simply a part that Walt can play, and (2) everything he said seemed believably volatile. My interpretation is that, yes, it was subterfuge, but all those words came from real feelings of rage and resentment toward Skyler. He's heightening something that's there - in an effort to save her, looking out for her...but still lashing out. I don't believe that Walt believed that she never stood by him, but that's what I mean by heightening.
I think the phone call scene at the end of "Ozymandias" is the best illustration of the battle between the pro-Walt camp, the anti-Walt camp, and those in between. Again, I initially took the scene on the simplistic level of "Walt is just ranting and raving, and it's cruel and awful and I hate him all the more" - but that's no better than those who insist that Walt is being utterly noble and redeeming himself in doing this. He's neither hero nor...well, he is a villain, but not of the mustache-twirling variety. (I say he's not a hero meaning he's not heroic.) I have oversimplified this show in my mind at times, because those moments when Walter White/Heisenberg is at his most despicable are so damn compelling. "Mr. Chips to Scarface" is a neat and accurate-enough shorthand, but that' paints a black and white picture. If Walt is merely performing the role of Heisenberg when he makes that call and says those horrible things, then that's too easy. If he's spewing bile to spew bile, then that's too easy. If, at this late date, Heisenberg is a part at all, that's too easy. Walt does still care about his family, he continued to believe he was "in the empire business" for them far longer than it was actually true....But whatever and wherever he thinks he is, his moral compass is so out of whaack, he's so far gone, that it does bother me when I see people pointing to things like the phone call as proof that he's not such a bad guy. He's not a one-dimensional monster - and maybe "monster" is hyperbole - but I have no problem with using the word "evil." This show isn't about a man who makes worrisome but reasonable choices, it's about a man who has never been appreciated, never made an impact, seizing a chance, in a very roundabout way, to do so. Whatever it started out as, Heisenberg isn't a character he plays when he needs to, it's the realization of all the arrogance, hubris, and need that must have always been lurking, and it destroys him. (I'm not saying that there's no duality there.) I can't really be in "Team Walt" or whatever the opposite is, because that makes it a much less interesting show. Even though I didn't have every piece of the scene worked out, the phone call scene was so much better when I realized what it actually was. The most frightening monsters are the ones that still have some humanity left, but keep going anyway.
Why talk so much about "Ozymandias" - and mainly one scene in it - two weeks after it aired? Because there's a lot there that gets to what the show is really about, the divide between Walt and Heisenberg, where one ends and the other begins, if there is a divide at all, and so on. I have no idea where it all goes in the end, I'm glad I haven't theorized much.
Breaking Bad is more open to interpretation than the brains behind it expected or wanted, I think. What I'm really referring to is "Ozymandias," and particularly the phone call scene. The writer of the episode said it wasn't meant to be open to interpretation, but plenty of people misinterpreted it (not that unbelievably), and I confess I was one of them. (Hey, it was a difficult hour+, and I'm not a bright guy.) It was the first review of the episode that I read that made me realize that Walt's call was actually a brilliant strategic move to take any heat off of Skyler and place it all on himself. Okay, that's great, that's powerful. But...
I was - well, I'm embarrassed to say I still am - unsure whether Walt needed to make that call the way he did. With Gomez, Hank, and Jesse all out of the picture, who was Walt afraid of? Marie? Did he really believe that Marie would inform the police - who were there in response to Jr.'s call about the knife fight and the statement that he may have killed someone - about Skyler's involvement? I questioned whether Walt was exonerating Skyler or actually giving the police more information than they had at that point and removing any plausible deniability she could have had. "The call was a brilliant bit of subterfuge, but was it truly necessary?" No doubt I've oversimplified/overlooked things, and it doesn't especially matter at this point.
The more compelling - and frustrating - issue with the phone call scene is: How much of what Walt says is genuine? I can't buy the idea that it was all performance, for two reasons: (1) because I can't accept that, in the final season of the show, Heisenberg can be simply a part that Walt can play, and (2) everything he said seemed believably volatile. My interpretation is that, yes, it was subterfuge, but all those words came from real feelings of rage and resentment toward Skyler. He's heightening something that's there - in an effort to save her, looking out for her...but still lashing out. I don't believe that Walt believed that she never stood by him, but that's what I mean by heightening.
I think the phone call scene at the end of "Ozymandias" is the best illustration of the battle between the pro-Walt camp, the anti-Walt camp, and those in between. Again, I initially took the scene on the simplistic level of "Walt is just ranting and raving, and it's cruel and awful and I hate him all the more" - but that's no better than those who insist that Walt is being utterly noble and redeeming himself in doing this. He's neither hero nor...well, he is a villain, but not of the mustache-twirling variety. (I say he's not a hero meaning he's not heroic.) I have oversimplified this show in my mind at times, because those moments when Walter White/Heisenberg is at his most despicable are so damn compelling. "Mr. Chips to Scarface" is a neat and accurate-enough shorthand, but that' paints a black and white picture. If Walt is merely performing the role of Heisenberg when he makes that call and says those horrible things, then that's too easy. If he's spewing bile to spew bile, then that's too easy. If, at this late date, Heisenberg is a part at all, that's too easy. Walt does still care about his family, he continued to believe he was "in the empire business" for them far longer than it was actually true....But whatever and wherever he thinks he is, his moral compass is so out of whaack, he's so far gone, that it does bother me when I see people pointing to things like the phone call as proof that he's not such a bad guy. He's not a one-dimensional monster - and maybe "monster" is hyperbole - but I have no problem with using the word "evil." This show isn't about a man who makes worrisome but reasonable choices, it's about a man who has never been appreciated, never made an impact, seizing a chance, in a very roundabout way, to do so. Whatever it started out as, Heisenberg isn't a character he plays when he needs to, it's the realization of all the arrogance, hubris, and need that must have always been lurking, and it destroys him. (I'm not saying that there's no duality there.) I can't really be in "Team Walt" or whatever the opposite is, because that makes it a much less interesting show. Even though I didn't have every piece of the scene worked out, the phone call scene was so much better when I realized what it actually was. The most frightening monsters are the ones that still have some humanity left, but keep going anyway.
Why talk so much about "Ozymandias" - and mainly one scene in it - two weeks after it aired? Because there's a lot there that gets to what the show is really about, the divide between Walt and Heisenberg, where one ends and the other begins, if there is a divide at all, and so on. I have no idea where it all goes in the end, I'm glad I haven't theorized much.
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