Breaking Bad - Part 1

[hellblazer103]

edit : rewatched the scene again, nvm.

 

[Call Me Darkman]

The synopsis for the season finale says that Walt has a surprising ally.

It's possible that the surprising ally will turn out to be Hank. The man has basically solved the whole case. And he has done it without any support from the DEA. The man has gone rogue and will look the other way to help his family.

Plus, let's not ignore that Walt has been too obvious around Hank. Walt was always nervous during those stakeouts and even purposely crashed as they approached the laundary place. Then, when he announces that he has gotten a special car so that he wouldn't need to rely on Walt, he gets that "warning call."

Hank has put two and two together.

 

[boydston_14]

I think I'm starting to warm up to this theory, despite the fact that it'll make me hate Walt. It just makes enough sense.

 

[Shifty]

Watch the Inside Breaking Bad video at AMC...

Gus

Spoiler

didn't poison the kid, the actor explains what Gus was thinking at the hospital. So that leaves Walt or the kid somehow got the cigarette. Betting on Walt with a kick ass reveal that he did it, if the final scene wasn't already. Gus has no reason to be suspicious until he learns the kid has been poisoned, not just sick.

 

[Soapy]

I don't think killing a child is inherently worse than killing an adult, but it's also possible that maybe Walt intended the poison for Jesse's new girlfriend, but somehow the kid got ahold of it. Maybe?

 

[Shifty]

I don't think killing a child is inherently worse than killing an adult, but it's also possible that maybe Walt intended the poison for Jesse's new girlfriend, but somehow the kid got ahold of it. Maybe?

Or he didn't give a strong dosage. Wasn't it supposed to take a day to take affect? So wanted to see that car blow up with Gus in it because of Walt. Still he learned how to make a pipebomb.

Last half the season has been amazing!

 

[Boom]

IF Walt poisoned the child, he had to have had help.

The timelines don't match up. But that's the key. Walt had to make sure that he had an air-tight alibi. If he could show Jesse that there was no way he could have given the child the poison during that timeframe, he'd be in the clear. Then it's just a matter of pointing the finger at Gus, and he's got Jesse back on his side.

Just because Walt didn't personally do it doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

So if we're going to speculate that Walt was involved, the question is - who helped him?

 

[boydston_14]

IF Walt poisoned the child, he had to have had help.

The timelines don't match up. But that's the key. Walt had to make sure that he had an air-tight alibi. If he could show Jesse that there was no way he could have given the child the poison during that timeframe, he'd be in the clear. Then it's just a matter of pointing the finger at Gus, and he's got Jesse back on his side.

Just because Walt didn't personally do it doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

So if we're going to speculate that Walt was involved, the question is - who helped him?

Saul. My guess is that's why Saul was leaving (as well as all that stuff last week): Saul knew that Jessie would eventually find out about it and had to get the hell out of town.

 

[Shifty]

Saul. My guess is that's why Saul was leaving (as well as all that stuff last week): Saul knew that Jessie would eventually find out about it and had to get the hell out of town.

And if the end result is that Gus will die, then I can see Saul helping out - but still getting out of town.

 

[Boom]

Also, isn't it possible that Walt made his own ricin from homegrown castor beans?

 

[Brother Jack]

What would Saul have to gain for poisoning the kid?

I don't think Walt did it, if not only because of his palpable horror at telling Jesse that Gus threatened his wife and children and the sudden realization that Gus (might've) played them both by turning Jesse against him, so that he would the one to kill him.

If Gus didn't do it, I'm betting that the kid found it himself and ingested it, though Jesse and Walt will never know.

 

[Boom]

On a side note, I just learned that Bob Odenkirk (Saul) played the Marriage Counselor in Arrested Development .

 

[Soapy]

Do you need to learn how to love your wife again? Want someone to tell you to follow your dreams of being an actor?

BETTER CALL SAUL!!

 

[Travesty]

On a side note, I just learned that Bob Odenkirk (Saul) played the Marriage Counselor in Arrested Development .

Bob Odenkirk is a great comedic writer and actor. Netflix Mr. Show, its' good stuff.

Anyways, as for this theory, I don't know what to think of it. I just don't see the big black guy being sneaky enough to pull out his cigarette box, take the cig out, and then put the box back in Jesse's jacket or pocket. As for Walt doing it himself, he had no time, or the means to obtain the cig from Jesse. My bet is Gus did it somehow, but who knows?

 

[Shifty]

What would Saul have to gain for poisoning the kid?

I don't think Walt did it, if not only because of his palpable horror at telling Jesse that Gus threatened his wife and children and the sudden realization that Gus (might've) played them both by turning Jesse against him, so that he would the one to kill him.

If Gus didn't do it, I'm betting that the kid found it himself and ingested it, though Jesse and Walt will never know.

Walt doesn't have to tell him it was ricin, just something that would make him sick. If he convinces Saul that Jesse will want to kill Gus, isn't it worth it?

But if it was Gus, another clue for Gus could be that Jesse didn't say any suspects, he didn't say Walt. Hopefully there are answers next week.

 

[Master Chief]

The thing that really makes me believe it was Walt was the moment he pulled the gun to his head. Reverse psychology at its finest lol.

 

[The Riddler]

it isn't gus. from the inside the episode video on the website, it seems gus didn't do it.

i think walt did it, as many signs point to him, but i don't know how he did. i mean the timeline really doesn't match up, and as many have said before, he couldn't have done it himself. i don't know if i'd buy saul helping walt do this, either.

 

[Call Me Darkman]

Here's a big question. How come the police and/or child services weren't called when it was revealed that Brock was poisoned by ricin? How many people have ricin laying around in their house?

 

[Trainwreck2100]

walt never needed access to the cigarette, he could have made his own ricen, poisoned the kid and then just had the sauls guy take the cigarette when he frisked him.

 

[TheBat812]

it isn't gus. from the inside the episode video on the website, it seems gus didn't do it.

i think walt did it, as many signs point to him, but i don't know how he did. i mean the timeline really doesn't match up, and as many have said before, he couldn't have done it himself. i don't know if i'd buy saul helping walt do this, either.

I agree. I think it was Walt, it seems like they made it pretty clear that walt cracked and is now playing on Gus's level now in terms of moral ground. But I do love that the show has built it up so it really could be either of them. I'm pretty sure Walt's crazy cackle was him laughing at this idea. Ahh, I love this show.

 

[The Riddler]

where is the heisenberg hat?

we've seen it all of once this entire season...

 

[Paradox1]

walt never needed access to the cigarette, he could have made his own ricen, poisoned the kid and then just had the sauls guy take the cigarette when he frisked him.

Walt couldnt have made the ricin without prior knowledge
of what he'll do with it. It takes over three days to make ricin from castor beans. In the time Walt had available in the show he couldn't have made the ricin in time. The only way that kid got sick from ricin poison is Jesse cigarette.

 

[The Demon's Head]

I'm convinced that Walt posioned the kid.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Walt essentially murdered Jane through inaction, I really don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for him to have somehow poisoned the kid, but I don't think he did it. I hope he didn't go that far at least.

I suspect Walter White somehow poisoned Brock, since, according to Giancarlo Esposito, the actor who plays Gus Fring, Gus didn't even know about Brock being poisoned. He states, "Gus has been drawn to this hospital for a reason, he has a very clear intention: get this cat (Jesse Pinkman) back to work. He doesn't really know the circumstances of all that's happened, he finds out what that is and then a clue happens. He says (to Jesse), "Stay with the boy.' But as he's leaving he's hearing (in his head) that voice (Jesse's voice) saying, 'The boy was poisoned, the boy was poisoned, the boy was poisoned.' And as he's walking and see's his car sitting there, and of course this is where he would park. He would park at the top level without any other cars, he would want to get in and out quickly without being seen. And then it just hit him. He knows that there's complicity on Jesse's part, there's the markings, there's the feeling, there's the gut sense - Walter White's behind this. He's a smart guy."
Bryan Cranston adds, "Gus knows that Walt is trying to impede the process of grooming Jesse."
http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/inside-breaking-bad-episode-412-end-times

Walter White didn't really murder Jane Margolis. He watched her die and chose not to save her. As creator/producer Vince Gilligan said himself, "He doesn't murder her. He doesn't purposely cause her demise. But he does the very next worst thing, which I guess the legal term is depraved indifference."
http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/inside-breaking-bad-abq
Vince Gilligan said that the first version written "Was that he (Walter White) comes into the house, creeps in, and shoots her up with an extra dose of heroin and kills her on purpose." That would have definitely been murder. Vince Gilligan revealed that "the second (version) was that he would be purposely pushing her over." That would have been murdering her as well. Bryan Cranston explained, "He (Walter White) would sit down on the bed, he'd look to them, their out on heroin and he caresses her shoulder, almost like in a fatherly way, and then pushes her back on her back and lets her choke to death. And I thought, 'Oh, god!' That's amazing, and I said, 'Wow, that's unbelievable. Are we really gonna do that now?' And then he came up with this other (third) alternative, which I thought was actually more appropriate and for the moment I think it worked out really well."
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It's possible that the surprising ally will turn out to be Hank. The man has basically solved the whole case. And he has done it without any support from the DEA. The man has gone rogue and will look the other way to help his family.

Plus, let's not ignore that Walt has been too obvious around Hank. Walt was always nervous during those stakeouts and even purposely crashed as they approached the laundary place. Then, when he announces that he has gotten a special car so that he wouldn't need to rely on Walt, he gets that "warning call."

Hank has put two and two together.

Hank has put two and two together about Gus, but I don't believe Hank is aware that his brother in law is Heisenberg. I believe Hank views Walt as a "Mr. Magoo" klutz, that has cancer and a gambling problem.

 

[kguillou]

Noo, Walt didnt poison that kid. He's sunken low, but not THAT low. But....it seems like Gus didnt do it either...something about that scene between him and Jesse, it seemed like Gus was innocent. This might be an "Occam's razor" type of situation, the kid just simply found jesse's cigarette's and smoked the wrong one.