Breaking Bad - Part 2

[Maximus One]

On another note, I've never actually seen Heat. I really needa get that in

 

[RaZaTrOn]

Just thinking about it this is about the 3rd kid we've seen shot on AMC in a year. Probably a record for a network.

And if

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Holly

dies like people have speculated that means that we'll most likely see

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Judith

get whacked in TWD.

 

[TLH]

I think both of you are taking this show's "philosophy" too far here. I disagree that the show will present his killing as necessitous of their criminal affairs. If anything like several others here have said Todd is pretty much a psychopath for his action. The entire lack of hesitancy on his part shows that.

It wasn't a smart criminal move at all. If anything it puts so much more heat on them now. Again i will reiterate that kid being killed was not a "full measure" moment it was a we hired a psycho moment.

The kid was a witness to an act he had no comprehensions of whatsoever. I disagree that walt or mike will take todd's action as the right call. Mike is a smart man not a psychopath also both of them have soft spots for kids especially mike.

If anything mike and walt and jesse of course will feel the burden and guilt of hiring a psychopath to help them out.

You are far too narrow-minded about this. Not to mention you've forgot your original question, which was "why did the kid need to die"? All we're trying to do is muse over your question, and for some reason you are getting defensive of whatever theories we can throw out there. None of us presume to have a definitive answer to your question. However, you seem to think you know it all.

I've already said that whether or not the kid's death was necessary is up for debate, and I've also said we can't know how Walt or Mike will react to the kid's death until the next episode. We. can't. know. But you presume to know. You presume to know what comprehension the child has etc.

The main point is something will come out Todd's decision to kill the kid. Whether it is Walt killing Todd, or Jesse facing off with/killing Todd, or the kid's death becoming a problem or causing rifts in the business among the players, there will be a purpose. That's it. That's all. The show's history has taught us something like this won't just be brushed aside without reverberations of some sort.

I don't definitively think Walt or Mike will endorse Todd's actions, but I'm saying it's possible, especially since Walt poisoned Brock for God's sake.

None of this is taking the show's philosophy "too far", it's just you being unable to have an open-minded discussion about a question you posed in the first place. If you're not open to other interpretations, why bother asking? I don't think the kid needed to be killed, but he was, and that's what we have to work with.

 

[Stringer]

It doesn't matter if the kid posed a threat. Jesse and Walt strictly told Todd, "No one knows this goes down, except us." When you tell a criminal that, they are going to take that to heart. You can't blame Todd for following orders. Maybe Jesse should have said, "No one can know this except us and little kids." But still, it was the right call to kill the kid. Was it the moral thing to do? No. But hey, there is no room for mistakes in this business, and when there is a mistake, the greater effect it will have on the surrounding people or area or whatever. Maybe they could have talked to the kid, but he is a witness forever, and what's to stop him from going home and telling friends or family? It had to be done.

I don't know why Jesse feels like he is a good guy when he's trying to protect kids. YOU'RE COOKING METH, JESSE! Do you not think that is ruining family's and other kids' life?! He really needs to get out of this business or Walt needs to tell him that the product they make destroys families daily.

It's a lot easier to get around the blabbering kid than to cover up his murder.

Jesse is well aware he's a "bad guy" he's said it himself. Even criminals can have a code they follow though.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

did someone mention the point that walter and lydia could have made a deal down in the basement of the building? perhaps regarding mike? we do know that lydia doesnt like mike and mike doesnt like lydia and we also do know that walter has a problem with mike too. mike is the only guy on the crew that doesnt follow the walter rules, he cant be manipulated like jesse..that's a huge problem for walter and with todd stepping up, showing that he is willing to do the dirty work, i can imagine walter giving him the green light to kill mike..? promo for next weeks episode shows us that mike wants out...and this attempt could end in a failure and jesse finding out that walter was trying to kill one of their own and finally realizing what a monster walter became?

 

[CrypticOne]

It's a lot easier to get around the blabbering kid than to cover up his murder.

Jesse is well aware he's a "bad guy" he's said it himself. Even criminals can have a code they follow though.

Really?! No one will be able to find the kids' body. So it really isn't hard to cover up his murder. He had no connection to Walt, Jesse, or Todd. A dead kid makes no noise. A live one does.

A criminal has a code to leave no witnesses. Or else they'd be in jail.

 

[Stringer]

Really?! No one will be able to find the kids' body. So it really isn't hard to cover up his murder. He had no connection to Walt, Jesse, or Todd. A dead kid makes no noise. A live one does.

A criminal has a code to leave no witnesses. Or else they'd be in jail.

Look at the situation though, the kid would have a hard time even understanding what he witnessed. They could have given him any number of reasonable excuses for what they were doing.

Your second point is too ridiculous to respond to.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I think Walt is going to basically give Todd a pat on the back for his quick thinking. Mike will be pissed and Jesse will be distraught.

 

[CrypticOne]

Look at the situation though, the kid would have a hard time even understanding what he witnessed. They could have given him any number of reasonable excuses for what they were doing.

Your second point is too ridiculous to respond to.

That doesn't matter. He seen it. And now he will be forever curious. The kid is out there looking for spiders for god's sake. You don't think he's going to be curious to go back out there and see what the hell the guys were doing and why they were so happy?! Kids are curious. About everything. It doesn't matter what Walt or whoever would've said to the kid. First off, how long was the kid there? He was on a dirt bike, so he was there during the heist. A kid knows, especially his age, that something bad is happening when you see guys jumping off trains.

 

[Liam_H]

One could say they could've explained away what they were doing to the kid sure. But with him gone it avoids any chance of him speaking out especially when they still need to dig out the tank and haul it away.

We could go off on so many tangents of did he have to or not, but interest is how the others are going to react to it.

 

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Cops are gonna follow that kid's bike tracks.

 

[Da Docta]

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[Blitzkrieg Bop]

You think Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston are great actors? Puh-lease

 

[DrDoom]

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LMAO!! I LOVE the cut back to the body when Jesse yells "YEAH B*TCH"

But the "B word" is censored on the Hype so I wouldnt want you to get into trouble for it being in the title of that video

 

[Stringer]

Cops are gonna follow that kid's bike tracks.

Exactly. Police pursuing a missing child is a much bigger problem than a robbery that may or may not have happened.

 

[Maximus One]

^^^^ This. Fact of the matter is it's harder to cover up a MURDER than it would be to manipulate a little kid. I don't care if kids are smart or what, it doesn't matter he didn't KNOW anything. What Todd did was the definition of evil. He will pay. This show keeps track of everybody's karma

 

[Soapy]

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This is beautiful.

 

[Spuzz]

I actually preferred episode 4 over episode 5 but 5's ending made it worth it. Best moments of 5 for me were the scene with Walt and Hank in Hank's office and the ending. All the rest was a little disappointing. I was admittedly on the edge fo my seat during the train scene but having watched the show for so long and having heard the train sound in the intro with the kid I knew the kid would show up the second they started celebrating. Gilligan's genius but it's easy to put the pieces together once you figure out the mthods of his madness Don't get me wrong. great Episode. But I loved the character drama and tension in Episode 4 a bit more than the action-y, heist-y stuff in Episode 5.

 

[Harry_Lime02]

Look at the situation though, the kid would have a hard time even understanding what he witnessed. They could have given him any number of reasonable excuses for what they were doing.

Your second point is too ridiculous to respond to.

Yeah, the kid knew nothing. I doubt he would've waved at them if he thought they were criminals. Even if he did talk, he'd have had a hard time getting people to care.

Example conversation:
"Hey dad, I saw some people down by the railroad tracks with equipment and stuff"
"That's nice, son. They were probably construction workers. Now go to bed"

But now that there's a missing kid, there's going to be an investigation.

 

[DrDoom]

Regardless of the other options y'all have been thinking up, it wasnt Jesse or Walt that killed the kid. THEY probably would have thought of the same solutions yall have.

It was Todd that shot him. After the rules given to him by Mike earlier in the season and then Walt reiterating to him before the heist that there were no witnesses, I don't see why he wouldnt act impulsively and shoot the kid.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

 

[DrDoom]

It's funny but the point of "Fly" wasn't actually the Fly

 

[Bruce Malone]

^^^^ This. Fact of the matter is it's harder to cover up a MURDER than it would be to manipulate a little kid. I don't care if kids are smart or what, it doesn't matter he didn't KNOW anything. What Todd did was the definition of evil. He will pay. This show keeps track of everybody's karma

Bingo.

What's gonna happen now is that when that kid doesn't come home there is going to be a police search/man hunt that will follow that kids tracks directly to where they've buried their underground tanks.

Also walt has the idea that he can talk his way out of anything imagine the BS science answer he could have pulled out his *** to give to that kid.

 

[Travesty]

 

[Soapy]

It's funny but the point of "Fly" wasn't actually the Fly

Not only that, but the lab is inside a tent.