Breaking Bad - Part 3

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

The crazy thing is, you know next week's episode is gonna have something even bigger than this.

 

[Poeman]

I think its going to be the woman flipping and telling Hank the description and maybe name of Walt

 

[HighFivingMF]

Mike's granddaughter gets her revenge.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Mike's granddaughter gets her revenge.

I got it! Mike's Granddaughter's distant uncle is Liam Neeson from Taken. So now Liam Neeson will get involved to get revenge!

 

[HighFivingMF]

I got it! Mike's Granddaughter's distant uncle is Liam Neeson from Taken. So now Liam Neeson will get involved to get revenge!

Walter will be tied to swing alone in a park for daaaayyyyysssssss!

 

[Shifty]

one thing i don't understand is why mike was berating walt about messing up a good thing and killing gus.

does mike have short term memory? walt had the decency to protect jesse against two child killing thugs, which brought the wrath of gus. at that point it was walt or gus, and we all know how that turned out.

Gilligan mentioned this in the Insider Podcast that what Mike said was true but he forgot the whole chunk involving Jesse that made Walt do what he did. Everyone chooses what they want to believe, Mike ignores the Jesse part.

Gilligan also mentioned in the podcast that killing Mike could've been in next week's episode but so much big stuff happens that there was no room so it happened this week.

 

[Boom]

My sister keeps complaining that Walt's descent into villainy was too fast, and that this season would have benefitted from a few more episodes to give his arc more breathing time.

While I'm fine with what we've gotten, I can't say I disagree with the second part.

 

[Soapy]

Walt's descent into villainy has been happening since the pilot...

 

[Shifty]

My sister keeps complaining that Walt's descent into villainy was too fast, and that this season would have benefitted from a few more episodes to give his arc more breathing time.

While I'm fine with what we've gotten, I can't say I disagree with the second part.

Would a villain have the regret and shock on his face after killing Mike? Gus wouldn't. He killed someone he liked with Victor and didn't show any emotion. He only showed it when his partner/gay lover was killed in front of him in the 1980s when he wasn't full on villain.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

The crazy thing is, you know next week's episode is gonna have something even bigger than this.

Of course.

 

[Brother Jack]

This is nowhere near as bad as him poisoning Brock, although it did strike me to be more vindictive.

The difference is that poisoning Brock, despite how terrible it was, served a greater purpose and actually succeeded in what Walt was trying to do. Killing Mike serves no purpose whatsoever. Walter acted out of pure emotion from his ego getting trampled on. Mike dies in a totally purposeless, almost accidental way, which is very unbecoming of his character. Yet it's fitting for that very reason.

Walt's descent into villainy has been happening since the pilot...

Exactly. At this stage I feel Walt's villainy has been earned. They've spent the entirety of the show slowing building up to where he is now.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

Has this been posted?

 

[DyeLorean]

Wow, Skyler was so young/different!

 

[StrainedEyes]

I think its going to be the woman flipping and telling Hank the description and maybe name of Walt

They already have a Heisenberg sketch, and Walt keeps blatantly wearing that damn hat around town.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

Walt's descent into villainy has been happening since the pilot...

that's totally right. I cant understand why some people complaining about Walter's development. This was suppose to happen. This was something that was always "inside" Walter. The cancer was the trigger. As soon as he was diagnosed with cancer, Walter started to show us his "true" colors. But i have to give credit to Vince. He separated "good" Walter and "bad" Walter by creating Heisenberg. This somehow gave viewers the feeling that "Heisenberg" is a complete new person. And that's not the case. Good move by Vince to confuse viewers, but these things have always been inside Walter. He just didnt need them until now. Different circumstances in life, show us what kind of people we truly are..and given all the information we got about Walter (Gray Matter, missed potential, boring life), he always was a ticking time bomb, the cancer was the trigger...

 

[Liam_H]

Gilligan has said many times on the Podcast success in Hollywood doesn't change people just shows who they really are. With Walt the same theory applies.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

People are shocked because Walt always had legitimate reasons for what he was doing. The guy was dying and needed money to protect his family from a life of debt in this terrible economy. But ever since he beat cancer and continued in the meth business for selfish reasons, that's when he lost the audience.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Maybe it was because i just re-watched the matrix last night but anybody else reminded of the scene where cypher was un-plugging the other team members and apoc was just about to die "not like this, not like this".

I mean after all mike's been through that's how he's taken down.

 

[Soapy]

that's totally right. I cant understand why some people complaining about Walter's development. This was suppose to happen. This was something that was always "inside" Walter. The cancer was the trigger. As soon as he was diagnosed with cancer, Walter started to show us his "true" colors. But i have to give credit to Vince. He separated "good" Walter and "bad" Walter by creating Heisenberg. This somehow gave viewers the feeling that "Heisenberg" is a complete new person. And that's not the case. Good move by Vince to confuse viewers, but these things have always been inside Walter. He just didnt need them until now. Different circumstances in life, show us what kind of people we truly are..and given all the information we got about Walter (Gray Matter, missed potential, boring life), he always was a ticking time bomb, the cancer was the trigger...

Gilligan has said many times on the Podcast success in Hollywood doesn't change people just shows who they really are. With Walt the same theory applies.

For a long time now I've had this idle thought of, "How much of Heisenberg was always in Walt? Is it possible that Heisenberg is who he's really been all along?"

Last week I quickly mentioned this, but that monologue he was giving to Jesse, further illuminating his history with Grey Matter and revealing how jealous and bitter he is about it pretty much confirmed for me that "Heisenberg" or at least some version of that persona has always lurked within Walt.

More disturbingly though, his obviously forced and phony interactions with his family earlier this season makes me question how much of "family man Walt" has always been just been an act for him.

People are shocked because Walt always had legitimate reasons for what he was doing. The guy was dying and needed money to protect his family from a life of debt in this terrible economy. But ever since he beat cancer and continued in the meth business for selfish reasons, that's when he lost the audience.

I'm sorry, but no. Walt had a fantastic out early in the first season that could have made him a ton of money (legitimately) and he would have been much happier. Getting away from unappreciative, dumbass high school students and working a real lab like he obviously always wanted. No. Ever since that generous offer was extended to him, Walt hasn't had a good reason to continue down this road.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

To be fair, it was pretty much pity money they were offering not the chance to legitimately work with them which Walt nearly jumped at. There was no real desire to have him in the lab, Elliot and Gretchen just wanted to pay for his cancer treatments. You can argue successfully that he should have taken it, but I don't view it as a villainous or malicious act that he refused to take their money.

I would argue Walt's real descent into outright badguy started with "Stay out of my territory" when he made the decision to stay because he didn't want to be boring old Walter White anymore, when he had legitimately succeeded at the goals he had set out for himself and kept on going.

 

[Soapy]

To be fair, it was pretty much pity money they were offering not the chance to legitimately work with them which Walt nearly jumped at. There was no real desire to have him in the lab, Elliot and Gretchen just wanted to pay for his cancer treatments.

I think you're combining two separate things. At Elliot's birthday party he offered Walt an actual legit job, which might have been motivated by pity, but it wasn't until later after he turned them down that Gretchen straight-up offered free, no strings attached pity money.

You can argue successfully that he should have taken it, but I don't view it as a villainous or malicious act that he refused to take their money.

Turning the money down in and of itself isn't bad, but remember he turned it down in favor of cooking meth...

I would argue Walt's real descent into outright badguy started with "Stay out of my territory" when he made the decision to stay because he didn't want to be boring old Walter White anymore, when he had legitimately succeeded at the goals he had set out for himself and kept on going.

I personally haven't figured out when it is that I think Walt broke bad for good and went beyond the point of no return. I'll be looking out for that when I rewatch the series again before the second part of season five starts up.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

I think you're combining two separate things. At Elliot's birthday party he offered Walt an actual legit job, which might have been motivated by pity, but it wasn't until later after he turned them down that Gretchen straight-up offered free, no strings attached pity money.

It was. Elliot knew of the cancer and offered the job primarily so Walt could get health insurance. There is no way Elliot would have offered him the job if he was completely healthy.

I personally haven't figured out when it is that I think Walt broke bad for good and went beyond the point of no return. I'll be looking out for that when I rewatch the series again before the second part of season five starts up.

If you ask me it's when he first goes bald and blows up Tuco's place.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I think you're combining two separate things. At Elliot's birthday party he offered Walt an actual legit job, which might have been motivated by pity, but it wasn't until later after he turned them down that Gretchen straight-up offered free, no strings attached pity money.

If I remember correctly when Walt was behaving a little overwhelmed by the offer and then wanted to come clean to Elliot that he had health issues, before he could broach the subject Elliot very purposefully said "we have excellent health insurance," and then looked at Skyler who confessed to having told Elliot.

Turning the money down in and of itself isn't bad, but remember he turned it down in favor of cooking meth...

Obviously it wasn't a great life choice but Walt still thought he could do this for as long as he needed and get out quickly and relatively painlessly. When he tells Jesse that he expects no more violence he is being completely genuine. It wasn't until after the Tuco confrontation that Walt gets his first Heisenberg high.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

 

[Maximus One]

Yea I've always kind of thought that is the point that it really hit him that he has the potential to be a badass. That was one of the first big jaw dropping moments in the show too. I remember watching that the first time and just jumping out of my seat cheering for Walt. It's amazing how our feelings have changed since then.