Sequels Bryan Singer on the Future of the X-Men Franchise...and possibly an X-Men 4

[Deaths Head II]

But Singer might do what he wanted X3 to be with X4.

 

[FaT_tONle]

No one thought we'd basically get First Class Origins in a Wolverine solo either... don't put anything past them. I think Fox understands they ticked people off and their reputation is in shambles among internet blogs. They will obsequiously ass lick fanboys and throw in little tidbits win back our favor and get our asses back into seats. Obviously making 2:30 hour perfectly faithful epic Pheonix saga is pushing it, but Hellfire Club with Pheonix is a perfectly viable option. And they will put Cyclops back in X-4 if people are still not satisfied with his treatment in Wolverine and First Class, and if FC does well they will be under more pressure to include more Cyke in sequels. I think they will do some Pheonix stuff (the beginnings) in First Class and Sinister would go to X-4. I can see them bringing back every character except Jean. They know Wolverine won't carry the next trilogy anyhow.

 

[X-Maniac]

You guys, come on. They are not going to redo X-Men 3, or what people wanted X-Men 3 to be, in X-Men 4.

I doubt that too. That ship has sailed.

The only way you'd get anything like a redo of the Phoenix story is if Madelyne Pryor or Rachel Summers were introduced in a clone storyline. And that would be a stretch in the movieworld.

Some of the stuff I'm reading on here reminds me why I don't come here that often these days. I'd far rather be watching those films I enjoy (including X-Men) than obsessing, overreacting and nitpicking 24-7.

I'm also pretty surprised at some of the negative reaction to Singer's return, on here and in the idiots' playpen that is supposed to be the front page comments section.

We're never going to get a perfect X-movie that matches that great X-movie we all have in our minds.

None of the X-Men movies has been perfect. X2 is the most consistent, but still not perfect.

I did like the X-Men Origins: Magneto screenplay too. Great dialogue and characterisations. It wasn't a perfect script but it was pretty solid.

 

[FaT_tONle]

No one thought they would basically retcon Raimi's series, which was even more popular than the X-Men movies. The more they screw up this continuity, the more they will deviate from it, and undo what has already been done.

 

[X-Maniac]

No one thought they would basically retcon Raimi's series, which was even more popular than the X-Men movies. The more they screw up this continuity, the more they will deviate from it, and undo what has already been done.

But the Spider-Man reboot was forced on the studio by an unresolved script dispute that led to Raimi and his cast dropping out.

X-Men hasn't reached that point. The original director has returned, not left, and is doing First Class as well as pondering an X-Men 4.

There is no talk of rebooting or retconning in there. This is a different situation and it is still possible to do First Class, Wolverine 2 and X4 within the current continuity.

You're right that the deviations will increase, as they have done from the beginning. Each movie builds on some elements of the previous one to continue the story and in doing so it is steered further from strict adherence to the comics. There has been deviation since X1 was scripted.

But I still think the films turned out fine as films. I've watched all four back to back and enjoyed them, as the continuities of the same cast and continuing or related storylines ties them together even where the details differ. It's only obsessives on forums like this that point out the various differences and melt down over them. Real people in the real world don't behave like that.

 

[Manic X]

Great post X-Maniac.

In my opinion, if X4 gets made, these are some of the elements I'd like to see:

1) Jean stays dead. She's died twice now. It's enough. Besides, her death is an important part of the xmen mythos. Maybe you can have her in flashbacks, or maybe Sinister is trying to clone her, which you can tie into a Cyclops story, which means......

2) We need to find that Cyclops is still alive. (remember Jean was knocked out when they found her)

3) No beast. I loved Kelsey as beast, but his character went back to the government at the end of X3. His story has been told.

4) No Xavier. Most would disagree with this one, but Stewart is getting old, and besides, i always found it more interesting when the xmen had to deal with things without the guidance of their mentor. Let him stay on Muir island with Moira for now.

5) Some insight on Colossus. Seriously, he was underused in x2 and x3. And why no accent?

6) Rogue getting some kick@ss Ms. Marvel powers by accident, when her own powers return at the wrong time. (Cure was temporary)

7) No more Magneto please. X4 should be the beginning of the next trilogy, and I'm sure everyone is anticipating Sinister and Apocalypse.

8) Do not bring back Nightcrawler. Like beast, his story has been told. Besides, I found him irritating in X2.

9) For the love of god, please please please...SENTINELS!!!

Nuff said.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

I was just working out dates, i have a theory... i believe that wolverine 2 and first class will come out the same year...

The reason i say this, i mean they probably have there own set dates... But!

Wolverine movie was a franchise and would probably get title bill on 1st may, First Class is a little more tricky. Especially if they go for that title, First Class - i figure that this movie will become a feburary or november release. I figure there going to have trouble putting this on the may 1st spot light. Think about it. Thor, Captain America there all having movies come out around the same time... so think logically what if Fox was to release them the same year. First Class in Feburary and Wolverine 2 on 1st May. date 2012

Then X4 - 2015

 

[TheVileOne]

Singer at least got to do VALKYRIE after Superman Returns which was a nice little comeback movie for him.

 

[FaT_tONle]

But the Spider-Man reboot was forced on the studio by an unresolved script dispute that led to Raimi and his cast dropping out.

X-Men hasn't reached that point. The original director has returned, not left, and is doing First Class as well as pondering an X-Men 4.

There is no talk of rebooting or retconning in there. This is a different situation and it is still possible to do First Class, Wolverine 2 and X4 within the current continuity.

You're right that the deviations will increase, as they have done from the beginning. Each movie builds on some elements of the previous one to continue the story and in doing so it is steered further from strict adherence to the comics. There has been deviation since X1 was scripted.

But I still think the films turned out fine as films. I've watched all four back to back and enjoyed them, as the continuities of the same cast and continuing or related storylines ties them together even where the details differ. It's only obsessives on forums like this that point out the various differences and melt down over them. Real people in the real world don't behave like that.

Well if you watched all these films back to back, then I think we are probably a LITTLE bias here aren't we? I haven't even watched LOTR back to back to back. You enjoyed the movies great, but things were going well until between X-3 and Origins in terms of continuity. The trilogy had little deviation from movie 1 to 3, unless you are going to nitpick the very thing you are arguing. They are pretty much back to back to back sequels. And yeah, Origins had some deviations for sure, and that's what I think will continue. I expect First Class to deviate more from the trilogy. I can see them just using the original trilogy as a loose backdrop. They have the flexibility to revisit almost every storyline. I doubt they are just going to ditch vital characters that were killed off in X-3.

Wolverine movie was a franchise and would probably get title bill on 1st may, First Class is a little more tricky. Especially if they go for that title, First Class - i figure that this movie will become a feburary or november release. I figure there going to have trouble putting this on the may 1st spot light. Think about it. Thor, Captain America there all having movies come out around the same time... so think logically what if Fox was to release them the same year. First Class in Feburary and Wolverine 2 on 1st May. date 2012

Then X4 - 2015

Avengers is scheduled that weekend, and if not, the Spidey reboot will go that weekend. Wolverine is looking at a winter or spring release if they are smart. Same with FC.

 

[Electrix]

Especially if they go for that title, First Class - i figure that this movie will become a feburary or november release. I figure there going to have trouble putting this on the may 1st spot light. Think about it. Thor, Captain America there all having movies come out around the same time... so think logically what if Fox was to release them the same year. First Class in Feburary and Wolverine 2 on 1st May. date 2012

If Singer has to direct Jack the Giant Killer first (they've already hired production designers etc) then he won't be able to start X-Men: First Class until after he's finished that. Mid-Late 2011 maybe. That means Fox may aim for a late 2012 release for First Class. They should release it after all the big summer blockbusters are out of the way like The Avengers and the Spider-Man reboot.

If Wolverine 2 starts filming in January like we heard then it will probably be released in summer 2012.

 

[danoyse]

Well if you watched all these films back to back, then I think we are probably a LITTLE bias here aren't we? I haven't even watched LOTR back to back to back.

How is watching all of the films back-to-back bias? I've watched all 4 of them on the same day too. And I've watched the LOTR back-to-back too. It's what you do when you don't want to out on a rainy Saturday.

And I watched Wolverine after watching the trilogy, and the deviations weren't horribly drastic - by then you're so deep into the movieverse that it's easier to realize you're watching a movieverse origin instead and it's really not as as unforgivably different as some would have you believe.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Well, it's not like I'd want LOTR retconned... if you like the films that's fine. Likewise you wouldn't want to see them cover the same material again in the sequels. But I think there is still room to redo the Pheonix arc correctly this time. I don't care much either way, because I don't deem it completely neccessary. I just want to see the focus on the main group of characters again, with Jean being the only character I may omit. Everyone else needs to be back. I don't want a new younger roster led again by Storm and Wolverine.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

forget X4!

Singer should remake X3 and do it how he had planned

besides, early reports indicated that Singer wanted to film X3 and X4 back to back so there's his chance

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

There would be no point to remaking X3... firstly all the original actors were in x3, redoing x3 would mean all the original actors signing on and going against there work because x3 was bad.

Doesnt work like that, plus you couldnt get all the actors to re-sign on.

If anything you would get a small portion of the original cast to sign on to redeem themselves in a movie x4!

there is probably one golden rule with fox... never admit failer! if they redo X3 then that is exactly what there doing.

Now this is my thoughts on X3, it wasnt that bad of a movie, yes they over used mutants, the story was slightly rushed but overall it concluded the magneto war story. But by no means was it a satisfying end to the franchise... why else do you think we had wolverine spin off. X3 had good elements and bad elements, the way i feel is that any movie that has equel good elements and bad elements are always considered as a bad movie, yet a movie that only has good elements and only a few bad elements is a good movie... i think x3 was a fair movie it didnt reach for the stars yet it wasnt exactly a bad story now. Infact X3 had more elements from the comics than any of the previous.

But we need an X4, i feel we need another trilogy focusing on a new problem, but instead of having a smaller x-men world, a larger one, like including Mr.Sinister, Apocalpyse and hellfire in its own seperate stories over three movies...

X-Men 4 needs to be grander, as in star wars grander scale.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Everyone will probably be recasted by then so the original cast and their needs has no bearing on anything.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Avengers is scheduled that weekend, and if not, the Spidey reboot will go that weekend. Wolverine is looking at a winter or spring release if they are smart. Same with FC.

That doesnt make a different, you can have multiple films come out on 1st of may, but the studios wont release the movies they make on the same day so essentially we could get avengers and wolverine 2 come out on the same day.

But i dont think that will happen. Spiderman and Wolverine would be more popular by reputation to have the 1st may spot light where as Avengers firstly they want to make it but are unsure it will get made, plus Avengers will need alot of PR because non-fans wont know what it is by name alone.

But notice this... there are 5 key spots of the year a film usually comes out and that is... 28th feburary, 30th april, 1st may, 16th october & 11th November... these are not exact dates but represeting around that period.

28th Feb - in the superhero film world is usually the testing ground for the lesser known characters. Punisher came out at that time i think, not sure but daredevil and i think constatine came out at that time... they watch the audiance reaction if good it becomes a franchise if not then well you get the picture.

30th April - usually 24th april or whatever the weekend before the 1st may. when you have two movies compeating for the 1st may spot usually what they tend to do is bring them out before. to get in with the ground before the 1st may movie. they did this with Wolverine movie

1st may - usualy the more popular character will get this bill. It all depends on alot of factors.

16th October - they for some reason like to tie in movie releases with halloween like a new saw movie that comes out around that time. Think is it sundance? around this time? sorry im not that familar with it. usually what happens is they have two charactesr say like iron man and hulk appear in the same year, two popular but only one can have the 1st may slot, so there not competing against each other so they place it at a time when it could really get in some figures.

finally 11th november - which is usually the christmas spot for movies anything after this date. Its rare for superhero movies to come out at this time but it all depends on alot of factors mostly if the studios have a movie but its taken longer time to make and thus couldnt of made the 1st may time slot.

------ This principle isnt 100% exact but near enough ---------

here is my prediction

Fox has 4 movie properties
> Daredevil Reboot
> Deadpool
> First Class
> Wolverine 2
Sony has 4 movie properties
> Iron Man 3
> Avengers
> Spiderman Reboot
> Venom spin-off

All these movies wont be able to compete for the same spot...

so i figure First Class and Wolverine will be made and iron man 3, spiderman reboot will come out this year.

It will look something like

Iron Man 3 - Feburary
Wolverine - April
Spiderman - May
First Class - October

 

[Electrix]

Iron Man 3 - Feburary
Wolverine - April
Spiderman - May
First Class - October

Iron Man 3 won't be coming until after The Avengers.

The Avengers will be released on May 4th and Spider-Man has a July 3rd release date. 20th Century Fox will have to find a spot around them, because releasing two big superhero movies on the same day, or within a week of each other, will hurt both movies.

(The Avengers/Iron Man is Paramount/Marvel, not Sony)

 

[Rac]

Fox has 4 movie properties
> Daredevil Reboot
> Deadpool
> First Class
> Wolverine 2

They are also doing the FF reboot with Akiva Goldsman (Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Lost in Space, I Robot etc. ****.)

Sony has 4 movie properties
> Iron Man 3
> Avengers
> Spiderman Reboot
> Venom spin-off

Only Spider-Man reboot and Venom (+ Ghost Rider 2) are owned by Sony. Avengers and Iron Man 3 are Marvel Studios, distributed by Paramount.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Velvet... outside of May 1st, those are all terrible release dates for CB tentpoles. Avengers will absolutely keep that date if it stays on schedule and Fox would be asanine to put FC or Wolverine that weekend. Wolverine is getting an an early 2011 start so they will probably release it in Spring 2012 or later in June. The Spiderman Reboot won't challenge Avengers either as they have scheduled it a good two months after. Marvel is not releasing multiple properties the same weekend no matter what studio is involved. Simple as that.

 

[Deaths Head II]

They are also doing the FF reboot with Akiva Goldsman (Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Lost in Space, I Robot etc. ****.)

I doubt either that or the Daredevil reboot are going to happen.

 

[JackMercy]

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12...inger-directing-x-men-first-class-not-so-fast

This might turn into a reverse-repeat of...er...something.

 

[Lighthouse]

This is something I had been wondering about for a long time. When Singer talked about doing X-Men First Class, I assumed that he was going to have to drop one of his many other projects he's attached to. Then I heard he was in pre-production for Jack The Giant Killer, and I got confused. Surely Fox isn't going to wait another two years for him to be available again? Now that this story has come out, it makes sense. If he does X-Men after Jack, you can say goodbye to that Battlestar Galactica remake too(which is fine by me).

 

[Project862006]

should get Edward Zwick for Wolverine II i feel he is a director i want to see do SH films

 

[Deaths Head II]

I'm guessing you want him because of The Last Samurai. Which is fine by me, that film has the right tone for a Wolverine in Japan film.

 

[Ipodman]

Bryan Singer should make an X-men movie called X3: X-men [someting]
it goes with X2: Xmen United