BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 6

[Tilapia]

why are we discussing other movies in here?

To distract our minds.... I couldn't sleep last night. These scores are affecting my sleep.

 

[BatsDC]

Act 3 sux. He fights an old man in a bigger suit who magically knows how to use it first try.

Not as bad as Zod adapting to Earth's atmosphere in seconds, when it took Clark years.

 

[JOE]

I didn't see anyone complaining about RT when Nolan's trilogy averaged 87%.

I felt as though BB should have been higher and TDKR should have been lower, but for the most part it was right.

Those movies were "dark" and unlike Marvel movies? Why didn't the critics PAN those movies? Because overall they were great, period.

 

[Supernova]

The dark knight rises was great, what was the issue? I hear people say plot holes galore etc but never actually give them. For a part 3 in a trilogy it may have been the best ive seen for most trilogies.

Us fans need to also step back and realize if this movie bombs its not good for the genre, screw if your a marvel or dc fan we need these films to be successful so the genre doesnt die out in 5 years.

 

[JOE]

The dark knight rises was great, what was the issue? I hear people say plot holes galore etc but never actually give them. For a part 3 in a trilogy it may have been the best ive seen for most trilogies.

Us fans need to also step back and realize if this movie bombs its not good for the genre, screw if your a marvel or dc fan we need these films to be successful so the genre doesnt die out in 5 years.

I just didn't like the movie that much, it was still okay. In comparison to the first 2 it did nothing for me, that's all.

The genre isn't dying out anytime soon. Look at all the money these CBM are making, the proof is in the pudding. People are lining up for these movies and buying tickets weeks in advance. They're not all standard hero movies either, look at what Deadpool did this year and look how much money it made? Over 10x it's budget. You can rest easy, the Superhero genre of film is here to stay as long as there are people like us paying to watch. And there's a TON of us.

 

[psylockolussus]

Wow from 40% yesterday to 33% today.

 

[Supernova]

I just didn't like the movie that much, it was still okay. In comparison to the first 2 it did nothing for me, that's all.

The genre isn't dying out anytime soon. Look at all the money these CBM are making, the proof is in the pudding. People are lining up for these movies and buying tickets weeks in advance. They're not all standard hero movies either, look at what Deadpool did this year and look how much money it made? Over 10x it's budget. You can rest easy, the Superhero genre of film is here to stay as long as there are people like us paying to watch. And there's a TON of us.

Just so were clear no genre is deathproof so lets not get cocky. Anytime soon your right but another 5-10 years who knows which way this could go

 

[Tim_Riggins]

What should be the focus is really the average rating which is split down right in the middle, the percentage on RT is misleading. Just like some films have 80 % or more but a weak average rating, that's why it's just a flawed tool and that's not making excuses.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Ok, well they must've just changed that then. Mine also says audience score now. My experience is that RT looks different depending on what country you are viewing it from vis-a-vie the release schedule.

It's actually "vis à vis", it's French. Also TDK IS a masterpiece. MOS is mediocre.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Stark, you say this like it's a fact, it's not, keep that in mind. Preface this by "in my opinion", that's better.

 

[Supernova]

What should be the focus is really the average rating which is split down right in the middle, the percentage on RT is misleading. Just like some films have 80 % or more but a weak average rating, that's why it's just a flawed tool and that's not making excuses.

The website is a conversation starter/ convient sticker to slap on bluray cases if it is fresh. I dont really go by it too much other then that. I used to only care about what siskel/ ebert/ roeper said critic wise.

I agree, its gonna be a movie that people just will have to see to make there own opnions.

 

[JOE]

Just so were clear no genre is deathproof so lets not get cocky. Anytime soon your right but another 5-10 years who knows which way this could go

Yeah, I'm feeling the superhero fatigue. Just like when they talked about it 3 years ago... Look how much money Fox, DC and Marvel has made since then.

 

[jokesonm3]

This films getting really bad reviews and is honestly hurting the wider DCEU by a lot before it even had a chance to spread it's wings.

But Suicide Squad on the other hand, what do you guys think it'll do on RT?

Sound off in this thread! t:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=511525

 

[Nvmyprixgt]

I have been on such a weird journey with this film.

When it was first announced, I was like 'Why? You just finished rebooting Batman and made what was the most critically acclaimed superhero movie ever. Can't you just let Batman be for a bit before rebooting him?' (Saying Snyder was going to be the director did not make me happy either).

Then they announced Ben Affleck would be Batman and I kind of thought, 'Hey, this might be alright. I'll bet Affleck is going to be an awesome Batman'.

Then the trailers started to come out and I was starting to get that 'oh no' sense again.

Then the last trailer came out with Alfred dropping Batman off the Batplane and it looked pretty awesome, so I got excited again.

Now, reading the reviews and looking at the Rotten Tomatoes score... man. I kind of thought it wouldn't be super well received, but I thought it'd get a decent reception (50-60%) and would be a good but not great film that would hopefully lead to better films like an Affleck stand-alone Batfilm and a Justice League with better writing/directing.

Instead it's getting torn to shreds critically... I'm still going to go see it tomorrow/tonight (it's past midnight, but I haven't gone to bed yet) but after reading the reviews and a couple of spoilers about some decisions they made with Bat's character that have me seriously irked, I'm not that excited to see it. That stinks. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, though, now that I have really low expectations...

That's why for comic movies you shouldn't read spoilers. The reviews you should pay attention to are fan reviews, which are much better then critics who are tired of the genre

 

[JOE]

Stark, you say this like it's a fact, it's not, keep that in mind. Preface this by "in my opinion", that's better.

Why does one always have to say, "in my opinion" after posting something. Isn't that understood? Isn't that why we post, to state our opinions. I just find it redundant, of course it's his opinion, who else would it be? He's not speaking for the masses. He might come off as he's stating it as a fact, but that's how everything anyone says in here comes off.

 

[kedrell]

It's actually "vis à vis", it's French. Also TDK IS a masterpiece. MOS is mediocre.

I Americanized it.t:

And TDK is a masterpiece alright....of plot convenience. MoS was just pitiful weak-sauce.

 

[TripleJ]

Been saying for years I felt they just got lucky with Richard Donner, Tim Burton, and Chris Nolan. How the hell else do you explain what happened with the later Superman films or the Schumacher Bat films? Or Green Lantern? Or now the Snyder-led JLA movies?

Warner has had two guys working in their animation division for over 20 years who understand these characters better than Snyder or anyone else in Hollywood, yet the executives do not trust Bruce Timm and Paul Dini to be in the so-called Kevin Feige job.

Their chickens are coming home to roost now. They no longer have a guy like Nolan to prop them up and they have this huge list of movies planned with no clear vision on how to make them successful. My opinion is they could fix this crap very quick. Fire Snyder, give the director's chair to Affleck with Dini and Timm in a producer/showrunner/writer role for the live action DC movies.

You really want them to handle the movieverse?

I admit, they made a great animated universe..but they really didn't do justice a lot of characters. Superman was treated rather poorly, heck a lot of characters where, while Batman was propped up.

Oh, and by the way, check Timm's latest work - Gods and Monsters. It's an Elseworld.

(I wonder how all these people who are "disturbed" by Snyder's take on these characters would respond to this - The team are straight up murderers in Gods and Monsters. Not that I mind it, I take it as what it is - an Elseworlds story).

 

[Supernova]

Yeah, I'm feeling the superhero fatigue. Just like when they talked about it 3 years ago... Look how much money Fox, DC and Marvel has made since then.

Right now they are all making money yes but jesus 10 years ago we were coming off batman begins and fantastic four n getting ready to roll into xmen the last stand and superman returns. The genre was by no means big then like now. It all goes through waves.

There is a superhero fatigue, clearly not here on a superhero forum but its out there.

 

[JOE]

This films getting really bad reviews and is honestly hurting the wider DCEU by a lot before it even had a chance to spread it's wings.

But Suicide Squad on the other hand, what do you guys think it'll do on RT?

Sound off in this thread! t:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=511525

It's hurting the wider DCeU? How? No box office numbers have even come in yet? This film could make 1.5B and the DCeU could go on skipping and whistling. Stop assuming and blowing a low score out of proportion. There's a ton of people here who haven't even seen the movie.

 

[JOE]

Right now they are all making money yes but jesus 10 years we were coming off batman begins and fantastic four n getting ready to roll into xmen the last stand and superman returns. The genre was by no means big then like now. It all goes through waves.

There is a superhero fatigue, clearly not here on a superhero forum but its out there.

Where? The 150M plus worth of people domestically that are going to see Batman v Superman this weekend? Or the same amount of people who are going to see Civil War this May? I sleep like a baby at night.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Why does one always have to say, "in my opinion" after posting something. Isn't that understood? Isn't that why we post, to state our opinions. I just find it redundant, of course it's his opinion, who else would it be? He's not speaking for the masses. He might come off as he's stating it as a fact, but that's how everything anyone says in here comes off.

It's not, because more times than I can remember, you'll have people saying they love something only to have someone swoop in and tell them "X is crap", it just reads like a statement, and you know some people mean that, it's the intent.

 

[TheQuestion]

Perhaps it's just the world we live in now but I find very, very hard to believe some of the ratings and scores it is getting. I accept that people's opinions differ but the contrast in criticism against certain aspects of the movie throw doubt on a lot of things for me. How can Jessie be both the best and worst aspect of the film? Same goes for Wonder Woman. It just doesn't make sense.

It seems as though some people have gone into the cinema expecting it to be a 10/10 perfect movie and anything less means it is crap and deserves a low score. It's ridiculous.

I

 

[jokesonm3]

It's hurting the wider DCeU? How? No box office numbers have even come in yet? This film could make 1.5B and the DCeU could go on skipping and whistling. Stop assuming and blowing a low score out of proportion. There's a ton of people here who haven't even seen the movie.

I'm talking quality wise for the entire DCEU.

We just started this cinematic universe with one highly divisive film and one savagely attacked second film, there's absolutely no denying that the quality of the DCEU's image looks really bad.

 

[NJCaliboi]

That's why for comic movies you shouldn't read spoilers. The reviews you should pay attention to are fan reviews, which are much better then critics who are tired of the genre

I agree w.u about being spoiler free and word of mouth being more important in real life to people.

But ur comment about critics being tired of the genre seems off base since they all pretty much universally praised Deadpool. To all the people who will claim critics just want happy Marvel feeling comic book movies, that argument will be dismissed by the critics reaction to Deadpool.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

That's why for comic movies you shouldn't read spoilers. The reviews you should pay attention to are fan reviews, which are much better then critics who are tired of the genre

Well, theyr'e not "tired of the genre" when it's a good movie. Dismissing it as fans vs critics is just untrue.

IMO I believe that this is what people were talking about when they said that "Superhero movies are dying". You can't have a movie that's about superheros anymore.

All those old Fox "Superhero" movies just couldn't cut it anymore. There's got to fundamentally be something else to it at it's core (be it a heist, comedy, sci-fi, etc) than just superheros.

You can see this just by splitting up the strongest Marvel films from the weaker. Guardians is a Sci-fi comedy about family.. that happens to have superheroes. Winter Soldier is a political thriller... that happens to have superheroes. Thor2 is just Suerhero vs Superhero Villain... which is why it's one of the least popular.