BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 6

[Unbreakable Lex]

Lol the assumptions. Has it entered your mind they might legit be proud of the film and critics just don't agree?

A lot of critics do agree.

 

[Adder]

Either that or you'll get the "the DVD sales clearly show that audiences liked it more than you think, it's really gained in popularity over the years."

LOL, the DVD sales argument was used a lot in defense of MOS.

 

[Mr.T]

Fan boys are still in the denial stage. give it a couple months then this will get destroyed by nearly everyone phantom menace style.

Oh man, don't rehash those horrible memories.

 

[Chesterfield]

*sighs* The ups and downs of fanboy culture...gotta love it.

 

[samsnee]

LOL, the DVD sales argument was used a lot in defense of MOS.

I know. It's kind of sad.

 

[Flint Marko]

Seeing this tonight at 9. At this point all I'm expecting is competent nonsense that will make me care about the characters. If the film can deliver that then I'll be satisfied.

Doesn't Kimmel interview people who work on movies, though? And as much as I adore Michael Strahan (hardcore Giants fan, here; I have his jersey), his current profession involves interviewing and press tours as well.

As for Kevin Smith, well ... It's Kevin Smith. Didn't he kind of make an ass of himself a handful of months ago by interviewing Josh Trank multiples times on one of his podcasts and hyping up Fant-Four-Stick as if it was going to be this great thing? Plus, you know ... Ben Affleck is his buddy.

Kevin Smith didn't really make an ass of himself with the Trank thing. He never said it was going to be great or anything, he just had Trank on his podcast before the movie came out.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Snyder needs to get off his high horse and treat Batman and Superman as normal superheroes, he has taken enough pot shots at Marvel (Ant-man and Thor, both ironically were received better and earned a respectable amount of money), just because they are iconic doesn't mean you can whatever you want with them

Forget that, Snyder needs to leave. He won't ever be forgiven for this

If he wants to make another Batman/Superman/JL film then he should be told to go and finance it himself.

 

[Rowsdower!]

You have to wonder if David Goyer is laughing his ass off over this. I know MOS was divisive, but the critical response wasn't this bad. But the people that didn't like it pinned the blame on Goyer. And it seems like WB and Affleck agreed with them. So they brought in Terrio to rewrite the script and hailed him as a genius.

 

[Tony Gunk]

So Jimmy Kimmel said it was great. Kevin Smith, a big comic book fan loved it, and Michael Strahan also said it was great. And 80 percent of audience in RT loved it. Most fans who saw it here loved it.

But yet we listen to what 95 critics in RT say??

Who are these great people that their opinions matter over the rest??

It's made for fans and most fans who saw it so far loved it. So I'll lean towards them.

you'll always get a portion of comic book fanboys who will like these things if it contains certain elements that please their desires. This film hasn't been released to the GA audience yet, and if rumours are true, it will probably be very hard for them to get into.

Even Grace Randolph who gushed about it predicted that it might be inaccessable for people who aren't big comic book fans. Well that's looking very likely at this point.

The GA don't get the instant buzz of just have Batman and Superman on screen together, we as comic book fans might get that, but they won't.

 

[wampa1]

If this film is as bad as people say, hopefully it will mean Marvel will get the rights back.

 

[BH/HHH]

You have to wonder if David Goyer is laughing his ass off over this. I know MOS was divisive, but the critical response wasn't this bad. But the people that didn't like it pinned the blame on Goyer. And it seems like WB and Affleck agreed with them. So the brought in Terrio to rewrite the script and hailed him as a genius.

It's funny actually that those who are slating the movie are not saying a bad word about Terrio yet they were all quick to have a go at Goyer.

 

[BH/HHH]

If this film is as bad as people say, hopefully it will mean Marvel will get the rights back.

Surely saracasm? How can Marvel get the rights back to characters they never owned.

 

[croboy82]

Surely saracasm? How can Marvel get the rights back to characters they never owned.

it's a stupid joke that i've seen on many youtube videos too.

 

[Chesterfield]

The whole "who cares about the critics" mind set/excuse only seems to come into play when a film isn't doing very well but people are desperate to like it. We've all been guilty of this at one stage or another. Yes, definitely make up your own mind, particularly if it's a film you're excited about but lets keep it 100; whenever fans go on about the critics don't matter it's really not boding well for the film.

 

[NJCaliboi]

Rotten Tomatoes collectively bad reviews is the number one trending topic right now on facebook...

 

[Flint Marko]

Rotten Tomatoes collectively bad reviews is the number one trending topic right now on facebook...

Facebook caters to your specific interest from what I understand. That would be on my FB feed but not on my mothers, for instance.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Hang on a second, didn't Terrio polish up Goyer's draft? You know, fine tune dialogue and things like that?

He can take blame sure, but isn't it still Goyer's ideas at the base? Anyway it sounds like structure and editing are the real killer here, so for that Snyder and his buddies can all share the blame.

 

[Plaidchuck]

Goyer probably didn't even want to do the movie. He once said "you only do batman vs superman when you've run out of ideas"

 

[Tony Gunk]

The whole "who cares about the critics" mind set/excuse only seems to come into play when a film isn't doing very well but people are desperate to like it. We've all been guilty of this at one stage or another. Yes, definitely make up your own mind, particularly if it's a film you're excited about but lets keep it 100; whenever fans go on about the critics don't matter it's really not boding well for the film.

Make no mistake if this was in the 80's on RT right now people would be BRAGGING about it, talking about how the RT score was a sure sign we finally had a winner.

But when the reviews aren't what people hoped for, they simply go into denial and then bargaining before doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to dream up reasons of why the critics consensus should not matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[KingKane88]

You have to wonder if David Goyer is laughing his ass off over this. I know MOS was divisive, but the critical response wasn't this bad. But the people that didn't like it pinned the blame on Goyer. And it seems like WB and Affleck agreed with them. So they brought in Terrio to rewrite the script and hailed him as a genius.

Is there any film other than Argo that Terrio wrote? Argo is a true story that doesn't need much imagination to write though. BvS is at 33% on RT, a far cry from Terrio's 96% Argo, but there is also so much more that can go wrong with a CCM then something like Argo.

Structure and editing seem like what most are rating this on though.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

You have to wonder if David Goyer is laughing his ass off over this. I know MOS was divisive, but the critical response wasn't this bad. But the people that didn't like it pinned the blame on Goyer. And it seems like WB and Affleck agreed with them. So they brought in Terrio to rewrite the script and hailed him as a genius.

That's what I find so perplexing. From everything I'm reading, it's the story that is causing the bad score.

Acting is good.
Score is good.
Cinematography is good.
Action is good.

The bad is the story seems disconnected and sloppy. Why is Snyder getting all of this hate? He should have some, but not all.

 

[NJCaliboi]

Facebook caters to your specific interest from what I understand. That would be on my FB feed but not on my mothers, for instance.

oh ok, that's good!!! but then again, that means that anyone who is a fan and likely to see it might still be exposed-- even still that's better than everyone seeing that, so that's good!

 

[Stark Bauer]

Goyer probably didn't even want to do the movie. He once said "you only do batman vs superman when you've run out of ideas"

Well it looks like they've run out of ideas lol

 

[Adder]

Is there any film other than Argo that Terrio wrote? Argo is a true story that doesn't need much imagination to write though. BvS is at 33% on RT, a far cry from Terrio's 96% Argo, but there is also so much more that can go wrong with a CCM then something like Argo.

This. Terrio was always over rated. Look at his writing resume, literally 1 good movie yet people acted like he was gods gift. People put nearly 100% of the blame for MOS on goyer and didn't realize that snyder was the bigger problem. The over rated MUH TERRIO meant little.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Terrio doesn't have a lot under his belt at least officially, but he still has an Oscar for Argo which is a great screenplay, that plus he's a really smart guy. He's not overrated, he has only like 5 credits, chill.