BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 6

[Matt]

Admit what? how? Admitting to such a thing WOULD be saying BvS is a bad film like it's a fact. There's nothing to admit, plenty of fans like, or love the film, I'm seeing it on Reddit, I'm seeing it here, I love the film, I don't need to admit to anything.

Being universally liked doesn't mean jacksh**, even a universally liked film will be disliked by many people. Some films just get a better critical consensus than others, but in the end, it's just that, an opinion from a person that's not you. There are people that are barometers as they have similar tastes to yours and your opinions usually align, but it's still opinion.

Critics "praise" good movies? You mean like Thor TDW has 66 % or Ant-Man (which is solid imo) 80 %. There are some incredibly good films that have shockingly low RT scores, it doesn't mean anything.

For someone who cares as little as you claim, you just can't seem to leave this thread. It almost as if the critics' reviews, which mean nothing, in your eyes, irk you you. If anyone is projecting (since you love to throw that word around), its you.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Down to 32%.

 

[huskerwebhead]

That's what I find so perplexing. From everything I'm reading, it's the story that is causing the bad score.

Acting is good.
Score is good.
Cinematography is good.
Action is good.

The bad is the story seems disconnected and sloppy. Why is Snyder getting all of this hate? He should have some, but not all.

Well, not necessarily. I've read several reviews, lots, that: hate the score. Acting is good for some of the cast....bad for others. Action is good, but needed to be waaaay more.

Not suggesting any of that is true as I haven't seen the movie, just repeating what I've seen in the reviews I've read.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Imagine what we would have gotten if the film wasn't pushed back a few times


Oh well I'm seeing it tonight at 7:00 I'm setting my expectations low and hoping to be pleasantly surprised. At the very least I can enjoy batman aND the action.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I can't believe anyone is using the excuse that this movie is "for the fans". Yeah, the same movie where [BLACKOUT]Batman is a killer[/BLACKOUT] was totally made for the fans. And it is a completely different set of circumstances than in the Burton and Nolan films.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Well it looks like they've run out of ideas lol

It makes all the sense in the world to expand the universe organically the way they are doing it. If the goal is to have the trinity in the same film, I think they nailed the concept. Maybe not the execution.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Well, not necessarily. I've read several reviews, lots, that: hate the score. Acting is good for some of the cast....bad for others. Action is good, but needed to be waaaay more.

Not suggesting any of that is true as I haven't seen the movie, just repeating what I've seen in the reviews I've read.

I've read very little that hates on the acting aside from maybe 2 characters. And if more action is needed, that's a story problem.

 

[Silver Surfer]

It's at 32% now, any chance of it getting past 40% is pretty much gone.

 

[SM71]

I'm fine with the critical response to this. I'm seeing it tonight at 10 and I'm sure I'm gona love it

All the negative reviews are stating it's "too serious," "not fun," too gloomy and depressing."
I'm absolutely fine with that, and actually thrilled about it. I want a serious, dark, real world CBM. I say bring it on, and the critics can keep Thor and The Avengers

and actually, all the critics that gave it a "rotten" for those reasons, all seem to being saying that despite how serious and lacking in levity it is, it's actually pretty entertaining and enjoyable... So those pretentious a-holes can shove it

 

[MahvelBaby!]

This is a tale as old as the Internet, movie hailed as second coming comes out and is not as good as fans are hoping therefore critics don't matter, if it's universally loved everyone is jumping around for joy and using the cross as validation, I say just like what you like and let it go. This movie is still going to make money I feel at least enough that dc will continue fine tuning, this could just be their iron man 2 they will learn from it, and maybe control Snyder a bit more with JL, I have confidence in SS and WW righting things.

 

[Mr.T]

Make no mistake if this was in the 80's on RT right now people would be BRAGGING about it, talking about how the RT score was a sure sign we finally had a winner.

But when the reviews aren't what people hoped for, they simply go into denial and then bargaining before doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to dream up reasons of why the critics consensus should not matter in the grand scheme of things.

LOL @ Mental Gymnastics!!

I'll have to start using that term on my kids from here on out.

 

[theinfernoman]

But... can it reach the 20's?

 

[SM71]

in a sea of negativity, why is Tim Riggins getting bashed for saying he likes the film and defending it? It's like he's delusional in everyone's eyes JUST because it has a bad critical response on RT. so clearly it MUST be a bad film. You people can make up your own minds you know, and not just like/dislike it based on the tomatometer

 

[Silver Surfer]

But... can it reach the 20's?

I think that's pretty much a given, it will end in the 20s.

 

[Mjölnir]

It's funny actually that those who are slating the movie are not saying a bad word about Terrio yet they were all quick to have a go at Goyer.

I have been trying to reevaluate my criticism of Goyer from MoS. That and BvS don't really have all the same issues (in some aspects they work in opposite ways), but both to me have weaknesses in storytelling so I might have been unfair to Goyer since Snyder is the common link.

What's clear, at least for me, is that getting rid of Goyer was not the answer to reach the potential of these stories and characters.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

in a sea of negativity, why is Tim Riggins getting bashed for saying he likes the film and defending it? It's like he's delusional in everyone's eyes JUST because it has a bad critical response on RT. so clearly it MUST be a bad film. You people can make up your own minds you know, and not just like/dislike it based on the tomatometer

Well, you know the situation would be reversed if the RT was like the opposite of what it is. I'm defending the film because there's a lot of negativity, and I know some are tired of that, just like I am.

You can never win, it's always the same endless cycle.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

in a sea of negativity, why is Tim Riggins getting bashed for saying he likes the film and defending it? It's like he's delusional in everyone's eyes JUST because it has a bad critical response on RT. so clearly it MUST be a bad film. You people can make up your own minds you know, and not just like/dislike it based on the tomatometer

yeah i thought people were engaging the guy pretty poorly yesterday, even what i'd think would be infraction type stuff and done by people i'd not expect it from. it's okay if the guy enjoyed the movie and isn't cynical.

 

[thebatfan5194]

Man of Steel had 289 critics counted in the Rotten Tomatoes score, Batman v Superman currently has 145 with 47 fresh and 98 rotten. If they get the same amount of reviews as each other, the absolute highest Batman v Superman's critic score could go (if the next 144 reviews are all positive) would be a 66%, but that probably will not happen.

 

[Matt]

I've read very little that hates on the acting aside from maybe 2 characters. And if more action is needed, that's a story problem.

I've read bad acting for a few. The two I am hearing the most about are Cavill and Eisenberg but the only ones I am hearing universal praise toward are Gabot and Affleck. That said, the acting critiques tend to focus on direction. Cavill, for example, how many critics have said that he is being restrained by the character's direction and the joyless tone of the film? That falls on Snyder.

Beyond that, the style of the film (colors, tone, etc) are coming under a lot of scrutiny. All of that falls on the director also.

Editing is getting torn apart...the director has, at least, a hand in it (most directors have considerably more than a hand in editing).

My point is, people take issue with more than just story.

 

[Matt]

in a sea of negativity, why is Tim Riggins getting bashed for saying he likes the film and defending it? It's like he's delusional in everyone's eyes JUST because it has a bad critical response on RT. so clearly it MUST be a bad film. You people can make up your own minds you know, and not just like/dislike it based on the tomatometer

No one is trashing him but rather asking why he feels the need to hang around a thread he repeatedly claims he doesn't care about and repeatedly say how critics do not matter. Its the old Shakespeare adage..."the lady doth protest too much."

 

[SM71]

Well, you know the situation would be reversed if the RT was like the opposite of what it is. I'm defending the film because there's a lot of negativity, and I know some are tired of that, just like I am.

You can never win, it's always the same endless cycle.

I know. It's a shame. And super frustrating, more so for you I'm sure. There's a good chance I'll be right there with ya after my viewing tonight though

yeah i thought people were engaging the guy pretty poorly yesterday, even what i'd think would be infraction type stuff and done by people i'd not expect it from. it's okay if the guy enjoyed the movie and isn't cynical.

Yeah it's ridiculous. It's like, it has such a low score on RT, that he must just be blindly defending the movie for no reason, that there's no possible way he or anyone else could've actually enjoyed it.. it's sad. Esp when most these people giving him crap haven't even seen the movie for themselves yet

 

[BlackFox]

I think that's pretty much a given, it will end in the 20s.

This is shocking, I didnt mind MOS, though it was ok, but I never thought this would come in as a less well received movie, I just never imagined it.

I'm almost more intrigued to see it now though because of this, see what the hullabaloo is all about.

 

[SM71]

No one is trashing him but rather asking why he feels the need to hang around a thread he repeatedly claims he doesn't care about and repeatedly say how critics do not matter. Its the old Shakespeare adage..."the lady doth protest too much."

Probably the same reason people feel the need to hang around here and repeatedly bash the movie, when the majority of them haven't even seen it yet! Sorry, but pot and kettle much?

edit: and why wouldn't he stick around and defend it. This is a BvS thread, and he's posting on here saying positive things and that he liked the film. But somehow that's a problem for you lol

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Is it the version of "If you don't like the film, why are you in this thread?", except that I love the film, defend it, and I should leave? Got it !

 

[SM71]

Is it the version of "If you don't like the film, why are you in this thread?", except that I love the film, defend it, and I should leave? Got it !

Lol, exactly. So ridiculous