BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 8

[DA_Champion]

How sad is that? And he's throwing shade at Marvel... What a classy guy!

It's just trash talk.

 

[Kane52630]

The Roman Reigns cameo was kinda awkward (and so was rest), but he did looked cool.

 

[Jordanstine]

I read a Box Office article about how reviews like Rotten Tomatoes affect movie goers: Analyst say that about only 1 out of 10 people will be swayed to see a film based on reviews, it may not seem much, but it definitely adds up, that's 10% of all accounted.

So if BvS had good reviews, would the $166 million it made be more like $182 million (10% more)?

 

[Kobra]

I realize no one cares and would like to go on believing Superman killed that dude, but there's really no proof of it.

I saw the movie again yesterday and that whole thing happens so fast, it's impossible to see how exactly Superman even grabbed the guy and then flew through the walls. He could have grabbed the guy with one arm and broke through the walls with another outstretched arm. He could have grabbed the guy but broke through the wall using his own shoulder/back while protecting the guy.

The point is that there are more possible explanations outside of "Superman killed that guy by using his body to break through a bunch of concrete walls" that can be applied here.

People will grab the first plausible explanation that better fits their agenda and ignore everything else that might make that questionable.

 

[Kobra]

In watchmen, the comedian punch through solid rock with his bear fists. Snyder likes to over exaggerate things for effect.

It's lame, don't get me wrong, but I just don't think that scene was intended to be 'OMG Superman just murdered someone'.

People can punch through walls, with training. It's nothing unheard of.

 

[samsnee]

If it was a cartoon, no one would think he died. But because this is live action, and these movies try to be somewhat "realistic", it's easy to make the leap that being tackled at that speed through a wall will kill you.

 

[Poni_Boy]

If it was a cartoon, no one would think he died. But because this is live action, and these movies try to be somewhat "realistic", it's easy to make the leap that being tackled at that speed through a wall will kill you.

Yerp. I don't think Snyder thought it through and that's the problem. It looked cool. That was enough

 

[Kobra]

I hate the fact that you have to assume things in this movie to make them make more sense...How would the general audience even know who Darkseid is? When I was in the theater and Lex had his speech about someone noticing Earth now the guy next to me looked over and told his buddies that they're talking about Thanos, then got pumped up

You don't like to use your imagination? Not everything you see has to be 100% clear. Even in real life, you're often left without answers to certain things you see or hear.

That being said, it's already established that Snyder doesn't care if these guys kill or not. I mean, they don't walk around killing innocents, but it's not like they have a code that will stop them from doing it to a criminal who puts others in danger, given the right opportunity.

Now, whether you like it or not, it's not important. It is what it is. It's an elseworlds story. There are strong deviations from the source material...or lets say, the more common source material. Yeah, because these characters have been presented in so many different ways that you can probably find a story where Superman is a pedophile.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Can I just say what's the obsession with dialogue from films been quotable? I mean how many people walk out the film going, oh I can't remember any of the lines. It's just a weird complaint to me.

In any case

"If I wanted it you'd be dead already"

"The Bat is dead, bury it"

"I'll take you in without breaking you"

"You are my world"

There four very memorable lines all from Superman.

It sounds like a lot of you are in denial or at least have little exposure to movies with actual good writing/dialogue. Go watch a Coen brothers movie, I quoted an excerpt below, THAT'S what memorable dialogue sounds like. You are entitled to your opinion, but your judgment as to what is good writing is questionable. The writing in BvS could have been written by a 13 year old imho.

Anton Chigurh: What's the most you ever lost on a coin toss.
Gas Station Proprietor: Sir?
Anton Chigurh: The most. You ever lost. On a coin toss.
Gas Station Proprietor: I don't know. I couldn't say.
[Chigurh flips a quarter from the change on the counter and covers it with his hand]
Anton Chigurh: Call it.
Gas Station Proprietor: Call it?
Anton Chigurh: Yes.
Gas Station Proprietor: For what?
Anton Chigurh: Just call it.
Gas Station Proprietor: Well, we need to know what we're calling it for here.
Anton Chigurh: You need to call it. I can't call it for you. It wouldn't be fair.
Gas Station Proprietor: I didn't put nothin' up.
Anton Chigurh: Yes, you did. You've been putting it up your whole life you just didn't know it. You know what date is on this coin?
Gas Station Proprietor: No.
Anton Chigurh: 1958. It's been traveling twenty-two years to get here. And now it's here. And it's either heads or tails. And you have to say. Call it.
Gas Station Proprietor: Look, I need to know what I stand to win.
Anton Chigurh: Everything.
Gas Station Proprietor: How's that?
Anton Chigurh: You stand to win everything. Call it.
Gas Station Proprietor: Alright. Heads then.
[Chigurh removes his hand, revealing the coin is indeed heads]
Anton Chigurh: Well done.
[the gas station proprietor nervously takes the quarter with the small pile of change he's apparently won while Chigurh starts out]
Anton Chigurh: Don't put it in your pocket, sir. Don't put it in your pocket. It's your lucky quarter.
Gas Station Proprietor: Where do you want me to put it?
Anton Chigurh: Anywhere not in your pocket. Where it'll get mixed in with the others and become just a coin. Which it is.
[Chigurh leaves and the gas station proprietor stares at him as he walks out]

 

[hafizbat]

I realize no one cares and would like to go on believing Superman killed that dude, but there's really no proof of it.

I saw the movie again yesterday and that whole thing happens so fast, it's impossible to see how exactly Superman even grabbed the guy and then flew through the walls. He could have grabbed the guy with one arm and broke through the walls with another outstretched arm. He could have grabbed the guy but broke through the wall using his own shoulder/back while protecting the guy.

The point is that there are more possible explanations outside of "Superman killed that guy by using his body to break through a bunch of concrete walls" that can be applied here.

Look man, your efforts to defend things in this movie are admirable, but it begs the question of why we should be debating things at all.

The fact that we need to argue about exactly HOW many people Batman kills or Superman kills or if they're just severely crippled for life and whatnot is a failure on Snyder's part. Or maybe a success, in his mind. Maybe he likes the idea of Batman and Superman being extremely violent and brutal and willing to kill, but didn't have the guts to make it indisputable.

Isn't that what he said about Batman and the flamethrower guy? He seems to believe Batman shot a mutant in the head in TDKR, and said he "didn't wanna be the guy" to put that onscreen. I remember reading that somewhere...

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

People will grab the first plausible explanation that better fits their agenda and ignore everything else that might make that questionable.

There's nothing questionable about that scene. He told Lois he didn't kill those people in Africa. Strike 1. Superman's cape has been shown saving others from blasts and other elements. Strike 2. Superman has done the same thing in every other incarnation of the character be it movies, TV, animated, comics, you name it and every time that person survived. And... you're out!

Snyder directs the movie and makes it look realistic and everyone freaks out. Really??? It's clear that Superman would be able to take the impact of that wall and not kill that guy. Snyder showed it to us in real speed and there's panic. Imagine if he used his 300 style slo mo for that, the bellyaching would be endless. Just can't win.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

It sounds like a lot of you are in denial or at least have little exposure to movies with actual good writing/dialogue. Go watch a Coen brothers movie, I quoted an excerpt below, THAT'S what memorable dialogue sounds like. You are entitled to your opinion, but your judgment as to what is good writing is questionable. The writing in BvS could have been written by a 13 year old imho.

You just put up an oscar winning movie's best scene to debate Batman v Superman. You know you lost right then and there? Right?

 

[Kobra]

There's nothing questionable about that scene. He told Lois he didn't kill those people in Africa. Strike 1. Superman's cape has been shown saving others from blasts and other elements. Strike 2. Superman has done the same thing in every other incarnation of the character be it movies, TV, animated, comics, you name it and every time that person survived. And... you're out!

Snyder directs the movie and makes it look realistic and everyone freaks out. Really??? It's clear that Superman would be able to take the impact of that wall and not kill that guy. Snyder showed it to us in real speed and there's panic. Imagine if he used his 300 style slo mo for that, the bellyaching would be endless. Just can't win.

I wonder what happened to the guy. The killing he talked about happened before he appeared. So i wonder...

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I wonder what happened to the guy. The killing he talked about happened before he appeared. So i wonder...

Why?

 

[The Shape]

Look man, your efforts to defend things in this movie are admirable, but it begs the question of why we should be debating things at all.

If you notice, I'm not even defending the movie in this regard, or saying it was right or wrong to present the moment to us this way. I'm just offering other potential explanations, while people like you are hellbent on slapping definitive labels and explanations on certain moments of the film that weren't explicitly explained or fleshed out to the fullest extent.

For instance, you can say or insinuate that Superman murdered this dude in Africa (or that he's crippled for life) every single day for the next year if it pleases you, but it will never be true.

Edit: And by the way, welcome to the Hype. We debate and discuss things here.

 

[Kobra]

Why?

Well, the movie didn't explain what happened to the guy Superman smacked.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Well, the movie didn't explain what happened to the guy Superman smacked.

Who did Superman smack?

Oh, you mean the guy Superman took out like he has in 99% of every other story shown of him. Has Superman killed anyone not from Krypton any other time?

No? So there's your explanation.

 

[Lencho01]

He definitely killed him. Basic logic tells us that. No one gets hit by a train going 500 mph and lives. Now I don't think it was Snyder's intent was for Superman to kill anyone. I think Simple Zack just thought it was a cool shot and ran with it. But the guy is definitely dead. As for Superman saying he didn't kill anyone, people falling back on that line are misusing it. It's pretty clear in the context of the conversation that he is talking specifically about the people who were gunned down outside.

Sounds like this guy is almost the equivalent of Zod in Superman II when it comes to who'll accept his death and who won't.

 

[Kobra]

Who did Superman smack?

Oh, you mean the guy Superman took out like he has in 99% of every other story shown of him. Has Superman killed anyone not from Krypton any other time?

No? So there's your explanation.

Don't get so defensive. I'm genuinely wondering what happened to the dude. Because if he survived, than it would be a little more difficult for people to actually believe he killed all those guys. If he had done that, why would he spare the last guy's life?

 

[Poni_Boy]

People can punch through walls, with training. It's nothing unheard of.

It's absolutely impossible to punch a foot deep hole out of a support beat covered in drywall. It looked cool as hell but Comedian would have just broken his hand and wrist and the corner would have stayed in place. Physics matter

 

[hafizbat]

If you notice, I'm not even defending the movie in this regard, or saying it was right or wrong to present the moment to us this way. I'm just offering other potential explanations, while people like you are hellbent on slapping definitive labels and explanations on certain moments of the film that weren't explicitly explained or fleshed out to the fullest extent.

For instance, you can say or insinuate that Superman murdered this dude in Africa (or that he's crippled for life) every single day for the next year if it pleases you, but it will never be true.

Edit: And by the way, welcome to the Hype. We debate and discuss things here.

Sorry for offending you

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Don't get so defensive. I'm genuinely wondering what happened to the dude. Because if he survived, than it would be a little more difficult for people to actually believe he killed all those guys. If he had done that, why would he spare the last guy's life?

Not sure why you think I'm getting defensive.

Rather or not if he survived makes no difference to the US and World thinking Superman killed all of those guys. That guy would be silenced, dead or alive, just as the facts that the men were gunned down were silenced.

 

[Kobra]

It's absolutely impossible to punch a foot deep hole out of a support beat covered in drywall. It looked cool as hell but Comedian would have just broken his hand and wrist and the corner would have stayed in place. Physics matter

What's the source of your information?

 

[Poni_Boy]

What's the source of your information?

On physics? Um, college?

 

[The Shape]

Sorry for offending you

What makes you think you offended me?