The Dark Knight Caine: "Heath frightened the life out of me"

[Luchastyle]

The Academy Awards have been a joke for awhile now. I don't know anyone who takes them seriously anymore. They also don't have the power they used to, at least I don't see it.

well no, it's all about politics and favoritism. BUT the general public still sees them as prestigious, thus, a comic book character getting a nomination would be a big thing. i still thing you have to be pretty good to get nominated (in most cases. i mean, marissa tomet, c'mon.). so while they are indeed kind of a joke, i think it would be huge for the joker to get a nomination.

 

[jmc]

The Joker is probably the one comic character that, if done fantastically by the actor could easily be given an Oscar nod, it's just a shame that the Academy wouldn't do it, no the Oscars have no place for 'children's material'. A film adaption of a character who's origins just happen to be from a 24 page comic book is no different from adapting a character from a 600 page best selling novel or short story, many actors have been nominated and won Oscars for their portrayal of such characters, why should anyone portraying a character adapted from a comic be denied such an accolade? If the performance is amazing, what style or genre of the film is should be irrelevant. But alas, it is not meant to be, as with comedy films and actors, films adaptions from comics will never be taken seriously by the Academy, no matter how good the movie is.

 

[money]

I think one reason the academy will not give an oscar nom, is because they will be afraid of pissing off nicholson. I mean Jack is always a big part of the oscar show, he even has the same front row seat every year!! It's gonna be kind of awkward if they nominate someone for an oscar who is playing his signature role. Jack may see it as an insult.

As for caine, can we trust the judgement of a man who made Jaws:the revenge??

 

[Schlosser85]

I think one reason the academy will not give an oscar nom, is because they will be afraid of pissing off nicholson. I mean Jack is always a big part of the oscar show, he even has the same front row seat every year!! It's gonna be kind of awkward if they nominate someone for an oscar who is playing his signature role. Jack may see it as an insult.

The character of The Joker does not belong to Jack Nicholson, and his performance was far from Oscar-worthy.

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

He forgot his lines? Damn, sounds like quite a performance.

 

[Gianakin_]

I think one reason the academy will not give an oscar nom, is because they will be afraid of pissing off nicholson. I mean Jack is always a big part of the oscar show, he even has the same front row seat every year!! It's gonna be kind of awkward if they nominate someone for an oscar who is playing his signature role. Jack may see it as an insult.

Why? If anything, he should be applauding for Ledger. Plus, who the hell thinks that Jack is more than the Joker? The character will be portrayed again after Nicholson is dead and, maybe even after Heath and you and I are dead. Jack was one of the Jokers in the history of Batman, he doesn't own Joker.

As for caine, can we trust the judgement of a man who made Jaws:the revenge??

Caine has repeatedly said that he made Jaws 4 not by artistic choice, but because he wanted money to build his house. Morgan Freeman has played in many crappy movies, too. So has Pacino, so has DeNiro. Doesn't mean anything at all.

 

[Pythenis]

Not been commenting much or following to closely so forgive me if this has been brought up, but I wonder if Ledgers the Joker will super-seed the focus on Batman? I hope it's balanced well and the ending brings it back to the Bat?

 

[Gotham]

Caine has repeatedly said that he made Jaws 4 not by artistic choice, but because he wanted money to build his house. Morgan Freeman has played in many crappy movies, too. So has Pacino, so has DeNiro. Doesn't mean anything at all.

Many actors will do some roles for the money. They might not prefer too credit the film - but Freeman did the same thing.

 

[Gianakin_]

Exactly, which is why I said that this is no reason for us not to trust Caine. Now, had you said: "Can we really trust the actor who plays in the same movie as the person he praises? They're in the same film and I guess he wants it to do well, so I don't think he'd put down Ledger's performance", then you'd have a point.

 

[TheLongestDay]

the point is that Caine made a genuine comment-not pre-movie hype bull,the film is a long way off for any forced attempts at plugging it.

 

[Gotham]

Exactly, which is why I said that this is no reason for us not to trust Caine. Now, had you said: "Can we really trust the actor who plays in the same movie as the person he praises? They're in the same film and I guess he wants it to do well, so I don't think he'd put down Ledger's performance", then you'd have a point.

The motto "all actors promote one another for success" would be true except that doesn't happen. You rarely find another actor praising another unless directly asked the question. In this case - I think we should stop trying to make it out to some conspiracy and just take it for what it is worth.

 

[Gianakin_]

The motto "all actors promote one another for success" would be true except that doesn't happen. You rarely find another actor praising another unless directly asked the question. In this case - I think we should stop trying to make it out to some conspiracy and just take it for what it is worth.

I agree, I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.

 

[money]

It is true that actors tend to fawn other each other. You only have to hear them on those promotional interviews included on DVD extras. someone like kirsten dunst will be like:"Oh, Tobey worked so hard on this movie. He was first on set every morning and he was always so prepared." ETC ETc yawn!

 

[Gotham]

It is true that actors tend to fawn other each other. You only have to hear them on those promotional interviews included on DVD extras. someone like kirsten dunst will be like:"Oh, Tobey worked so hard on this movie. He was first on set every morning and he was always so prepared." ETC ETc yawn!

Almost the entire time it's a phoned in comment. "Yeah. Sam is great. So - what do you of my hair? Forget Sam."

Yanno?

 

[baerrtt]

Those saying that a comic book movie will never see a major nomination (instead of a technical one) should never say never. Up until 1992 most people thought a horror movie would never win best picture (yet this was the year The Silence Of the Lambs scooped the top honour). Likewise, regardless of how respected the source was/is a fantasy movie winning best picture was unlikely until the LOTR trilogy came into focus. If you'd told most ppl that a martial arts movie would get nominated for best picture prior to 2000/2001 you would have been laughed at yet, guess what, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon achieved this (and in a foreign language too). Heck in the early years of the Oscars one of the very first winneRs of the Best Actor award was Frederic March playing Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde respectively.

Despite their conservative and perceived snobbish nature the above examples prove that you can't assume that because they have a general taste in movies/genres they will always ignore certain movies that deviate from their normal criteria.

 

[Gotham]

Those saying that a comic book movie will never see a major nomination (instead of a technical one) should never say never. Up until 1992 most people thought a horror movie would never win best picture (yet this was the year The Silence Of the Lambs scooped the top honour). Likewise, regardless of how respected the source was/is a fantasy movie winning best picture was unlikely until the LOTR trilogy came into focus. If you'd told most ppl that a martial arts movie would get nominated for best picture prior to 2000/2001 you would have been laughed at yet, guess what, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon achieved this (and in a foreign language too). Heck in the early years of the Oscars one of the very first winneRs of the Best Actor award was Frederic March playing Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde respectively.

Despite their conservative and perceived snobbish nature the above examples prove that you can't assume that because they have a general taste in movies/genres they will always ignore certain movies that deviate from their normal criteria.

Honestly - I would not call Silence o' Lambs a horror film. Psychological/Thriller, yes.

 

[baerrtt]

Honestly - I would not call Silence o' Lambs a horror film. Psychological/Thriller, yes.

It has often been described as a horror film in various film guides/magazines and even if not it's subject matter was hardly Academy friendly, was it?

 

[Gotham]

It has often been described as a horror film in various film guides/magazines and even if not it's subject matter was hardly Academy friendly, was it?

You cannot deny that Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal was nothing short of chilling. He wasn't just another fly-by performance. He truely made you stand up right, scared of this man who has everything planned before you do. I thought the performance was very Academy friendly and would have been a shame to ignore it. I don't think a genre has really mattered to the Oscars. (See: POTC).

 

[baerrtt]

You cannot deny that Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal was nothing short of chilling. He wasn't just another fly-by performance. He truely made you stand up right, scared of this man who has everything planned before you do. I thought the performance was very Academy friendly and would have been a shame to ignore it. I don't think a genre has really mattered to the Oscars. (See: POTC).

You're absolutley right of course, but some posters in the thread feel that the academy would overlook a comic book movie if it stood a good chance as a contender for major awards. I'm not taking anything away from Hopkins's performance but the film's subject matter (serial killer who uses the skins of his victims to make him look female) and some of it's content (the Clarice Starling character getting *** flicked at her face by one of the killers during her 1st encounter with Lecter) made it unlikely that the staid Academy (which gave inoffensive, unchallenging crap like Driving Miss Daisy its top honour once) would honour it.

 

[Gotham]

You're absolutley right of course, but some posters in the thread feel that the academy would overlook a comic book movie if it stood a good chance as a contender for major awards. I'm not taking anything away from Hopkins's performance but the film's subject matter (serial killer who uses the skins of his victims to make him look female) and some of it's content (the Clarice Starling character getting *** flicked at her face by one of the killers during her 1st encounter with Lecter) made it unlikely that the staid Academy (which gave inoffensive, unchallenging crap like Driving Miss Daisy its top honour once) would honour it.

Look - I know there's some bias against the genre, but I know that if Heath did do a phenominal job, people would be raving. Those selected people are the people who chat, chat to the people who vote, people who vote who win's. Maybe the Academy is to stuck up to let themselves hand an award to Heath - but I know that if he truely is deserving of such, they will at least give him a nod.

 

[Milu]

Nicholson is definitely classic like Caine said, and I can't wait to see what Ledger does.

 

[Gotham]

Very funny signature, man.

 

[Milu]

Very funny signature, man.

Thanks. Ratchet is so wise .

 

[Milu]

Anyway, was Nicholson ever nominated for his Joker?

 

[GoogleMe94]

an oscar nom for ledgers joker? LOL.

anyway, i havent read this whole thread but i can already smell some ledger/nicholson debateing and nicholson bashing. you have to remember, they are playing 2 very different jokers. nicholson was crazy and insane but in a slight campy way which has always fit the character. i have a feeling ledger is going to be too much phychopath and not enough Joker. you need a balance, and nicholson had it. heaths looks like its gonna be darker, but too scary. i never really found joker scary, only really in Arkham Assylum, but other then that, ive always found joker funny and slightly creepy, but never SCARY. ill just have to wait to see what ledger does before i start bashing anyone, but topping nicholson is close to impossible.