Can DC/Warner Brothers release Justice League the movie before 2021?

[Bruce Malone]

I can't believe some people are putting down a batman reboot 2 years after TDKR. I mean there's 4 years between TDK and it's own sequel let alone a reboot.

Minimum 5 years before another bat film and probably longer.

 

[akfj]

I agree with that. That's the same length between Spider-Man 3 and its reboot.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I can't believe some people are putting down a batman reboot 2 years after TDKR. I mean there's 4 years between TDK and it's own sequel let alone a reboot.

Minimum 5 years before another bat film and probably longer.

I doubt that. Batman is a money maker and Jeff Robinov confirmed it is not a reboot, but a reinvention. The way he spoke about it made it sound like the Returns/Forever transition, and since Chris Nolan is producing, I doubt he would join again at the beginning when he just finished a great origin.. I just hope Nolan or WB can hire a good director.

Also people gotta keep in mind, Nolan made Inception, and he wasn't going to return to Batman, Heath was his friend and Goyer, Jonah and presumably Chris were going to bring him back. So they took a year off from developing Batman and came back to it with Bane and Catwoman.

 

[merced]

I can't believe some people are putting down a batman reboot 2 years after TDKR. I mean there's 4 years between TDK and it's own sequel let alone a reboot.

Minimum 5 years before another bat film and probably longer.

I disagree.

WB is up the creek right now. GL's numbers were awful this weekend and it's projected to make only 120 - 125 million domestic. Which likely means it will fall short of 300 million WW.

Right now all WB has is Batman. MOS is a one-off but WB in all probability won't be able to make Superman films after 2012.

So, they need to get the reboot of Batman going in 3 years anyway.

Beyond that my guess is JL is now front and center as their next non-Bats project.

WB needs to use Batman to leverage a JL film. Batman will be the star of the film but the film can introduce 2 or 3 other characters. Assuming JL is a hit then WB takes the character most liked by audiences and gives them a solo shot.

IMO WB is going to have to build it's solo franchises backwards from a JL film.

 

[psylockolussus]

I can't believe some people are putting down a batman reboot 2 years after TDKR. I mean there's 4 years between TDK and it's own sequel let alone a reboot.

Minimum 5 years before another bat film and probably longer.

Well for me the shorter the gap the better, because we don't have to wait longer. But I think the gap should be three years.

 

[akfj]

Come on, this is Warner Bros. we're talking about. You can't get them to do anything when it comes to their superhero films, unless they're in danger of losing one of their characters (Superman). It will be four years at a minimum for Batman.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah but if they really want to make a Justice League movie, they better do something now.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Yeah but if they really want to make a Justice League movie, they better do something now.

It went into development a few months ago.

 

[Cherry]

Maybe this is a premature question, but will this Superman lawsuit prevent Supes from being in the Justice League movie? I'm not familiar with all the details of the case.

 

[psylockolussus]

It went into development a few months ago.

So is Wonder Woman like 5 years ago.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Maybe this is a premature question, but will this Superman lawsuit prevent Supes from being in the Justice League movie? I'm not familiar with all the details of the case.

If the movie goes into pre production before the end of the year, no. If it doesn't we'll have to wait and see.

So is Wonder Woman like 5 years ago.

But Justice League is more likely to actually get done. In 2007 it finished pre production and casting and got right up to filming. But the director didn't want to fly to Austrailia, and no film. Wonder Woman has never gone past development.

 

[akfj]

If the movie goes into pre production before the end of the year, no. If it doesn't we'll have to wait and see.

Just to clarify, you mean Man of Steel, right?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Man of Steel is already in production, and filming commences in about 6 weeks. Justice League needs to go into production this year to feature Superman.

 

[akfj]

Oh. Well, that's not going to happen.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Yeah i really dont believe we will have to wait 10 years for a Justice League movie to happen. Honestly DC/Warner has got to start paying to attention to what Marvel's doing if they havent already. Marvel didn't give Hawkeye his own movie, and will be introducing a whole new Hulk as well without that new Hulk having its own previous film. I can see a Flash movie happening by 2013 and a WW film by 2014, we could very well see a Justice League film by 2015, heck i can even see DC/Warner trying to push out a Justice League film by 2014. The sweet spot would be 2015-2016

 

[Orin]

I really don't think the Flash movie will happen in 2013, after the disaster that was Green Lantern. After all, the Flash project that is in production right now has the same people behind it that did GL. Berlanti, Green and Guggenheim are writing it and Geoff Johns, who seemingly played a big role in the GL production, is also heavily involved.

And besides, just like with Wonder Woman, they've been unscuesesfully trying to get the movie off the ground for a very long time. There have been 5 screenwriter (teams) on the project in 6 years, which kinda proves that nobody seems to be able to come up with something the studio likes enough to actually greenlight it. Back in 2004 they had Goyer, who's approach seemed like the most promising to me. Then they gave it to Shawn Levy, before replacing him with David Dobkin and Craig Wright, who were hired to write the movie as a JL:M spin off. After that went nowhere, Dan Mazeau was supposed to write a script based on a treatment by Geoff Johns. Much like with Johns' Captain Marvel movie, we never heard anything about it again until they announced the Green Lantern Writing team was now also doing The Flash.

So after GL failed the way it did i doubt they've gained confidence in a character they obviously didn't have enough confidence to greenlight a movie before.

From my point of view, the best thing to do would be to go with the JLA flick next and continue form there. Since it features their two big guns, Superman and Batman, it's a much saver bet than anything else they can do right now. And it could also built some new momentum for the other character that could lead into some solo franchises spinning out of it.

Personally, i never got that single minded way of thinking some fanboys seem to have anyway. These movies don't need to get bigger and bigger with the biggest one of them (the team up flick) coming last. The way a studio looks at it, there is no endpoint to these plans anyway. Just look at what Marvel is planning after Avengers. They won't continue with flicks like Secret Wars or anything like that, they will do Iron Man 3, which seemingly will be on a much smaller scale storywise than what came before.

And as for the need to introduce these characters in individual movies before the team up flick... i think that's very overrated and leads to exactly what we're seeing right now... pretty much every movie following the same boring (origin) formula. There are so much things you can do with these comic book proporties that would translate into much more interesting movies that really don't need the audiance to know every detail of the origin story of every character the movies features.

 

[merced]

Maybe this is a premature question, but will this Superman lawsuit prevent Supes from being in the Justice League movie? I'm not familiar with all the details of the case.

Yes. Superman can't be used by WB/DC after 2012. No JL w/Supes and no MOS sequel.

WB needs to make plans, which I'm sure it's doing, regarding it's film franchises with the assumption there will be no more Superman to use.

 

[merced]

Man of Steel is already in production, and filming commences in about 6 weeks. Justice League needs to go into production this year to feature Superman.

Course that isn't happening so the JL film will not feature Superman. The last time WB can include Superman in a film is if that fil is released by 12/31/2012.

After that no more Superman films. Which is why MOS isn't getting a sequel.

If you ask why would WB make MO if it can't make sequels - just remember the Courts ordered WB to make MOS. Prior to the court orrder WB officially said there were no more plans for Superman films.

So the classic Superman film franchise ends with MOS. Let's hope MOS does well and that the Superman franchise is remembered as ending on a strong note.

 

[mat-chow]

I thought it only had to be in production by that date, must have read it wrong.

 

[JackMercy]

The last time WB can include Superman in a film is if that fil is released by 12/31/2012.

After that no more Superman films. Which is why MOS isn't getting a sequel.

If you ask why would WB make MO if it can't make sequels - just remember the Courts ordered WB to make MOS. Prior to the court order WB officially said there were no more plans for Superman films.

So the classic Superman film franchise ends with MOS. Let's hope MOS does well and that the Superman franchise is remembered as ending on a strong note.

Oh, if I could tell tales...

Anything is possible in the world of Hollywood, my friend...anything.

On the contrary, I'd say that WB wouldn't see fit to invest in another big budget Superman picture unless they clearly foresaw that there might be some future revenue streams and franchise potential still in it...


"Don't count your chickens before they're hatched" might be a good phrase to keep in mind here...

...Who expected Bryan Singer to "resurrect" Brando?

...Who expected Singer to return to Fox's X-Men franchise?

...Perhaps on a lesser note, who expected Vin Diesel returning to Fast & Furious?

...Who expected Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps two decades later?


Yes, this is a larger set of questions we're dealing with here in terms of Superman copyright, but though parts of this case are unprecedented, it must be noted (and evidence shows) that Hollywood legal disputes are always salvageable...even up to, and likely in, the last minute -- did the Watchmen suit teach you nothing?



P.S. I thought the "classic" Superman franchise ended with Superman Returns...?

 

[merced]

Oh, if I could tell tales...

Anything is possible in the world of Hollywood, my friend...anything.

On the contrary, I'd say that WB wouldn't see fit to invest in another big budget Superman picture unless they clearly foresaw that there might be some future revenue streams and franchise potential still in it...


P.S. I thought the "classic" Superman franchise ended with Superman Returns...?

WB's Horn stated under oath in a court proceeding a few years back that the studio had no plans to make another Superman film.

That portion of the rights court procedure ended with the judge ordering WB to have a Superman film out before 2012 was over or be libale for additional damages to the heirs. It was only then that MOS came about and was fast-tracked.

I really don't think WB expects to be able to use Superman for a long time after 2012 because of all the potential lawsuits against them. I don't get the sense from the little I've read from WB is counting on a sequel to MOS.

Course it is Hollywood as you say but with Toberoff in the mix and apparently owning 49% of whatever the heirs get I think all things Supes will be frozen for years to come.

But of course it's not overuntil the weight challeneged person sings.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

If Man of Steel is successful like I keep saying it will have a sequel. Hell Im gonna just stop saying this and wait a year and then we'll see.

 

[darthhalen]

At this point I think I agree with the talk of a JLA movie as the next move for the studio. Granted this is not what I would have wanted, but I don't see WB making any other move except to abandon the DCU outside of Bats and Supes. I don't see them doing that either. So that leaves throwing a hail mary with JLA and growing from there, which from comments made earlier in the year, seems to be what they wanted anyway.
As rumors suggest WB knew GL was a turkey hence no Flash announcement even though the script was finished in December. All we can hope for is a GOOD JLA movie. At least then we could see Flash Aquaman WW and maybe J'onn on the bigscreen

 

[Karelia]

Yeah, if t hey don't announce Flash or Hawkman, I guess Justice League movie is what they should go forward with. They could probably make a good Green Arrow live action movie pretty cheap.

But I'd love to see JL.

 

[KalMart]

Oh, if I could tell tales...

Anything is possible in the world of Hollywood, my friend...anything.

On the contrary, I'd say that WB wouldn't see fit to invest in another big budget Superman picture unless they clearly foresaw that there might be some future revenue streams and franchise potential still in it...


"Don't count your chickens before they're hatched" might be a good phrase to keep in mind here...

...Who expected Bryan Singer to "resurrect" Brando?

...Who expected Singer to return to Fox's X-Men franchise?

...Perhaps on a lesser note, who expected Vin Diesel returning to Fast & Furious?

...Who expected Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps two decades later?

Which of those movies had a copyright ownership changeover going on with its main character at the time?

Those future revenue streams and franchise potential you mentioned? That's exactly why there could be no Superman as we know it for a long while. They could be fighting over who gets how much for years....especially if there's a lot of money to be made.