The Dark Knight Rises Can it be topped?

[RockyBatboa]

You know, this is exactly the type of post namtaB was just discrediting.


Jeez, he gave a rhetorical statement, and then gave his opinion. No need to be so scientific bout it.

 

[RockyBatboa]

So I'm anal because I notice you contradicted yourself, and disagreed with what you said? God forbid people having fun READ and disagree.

How bout just letting it GO?

You insulted him.
He burned you back.

Now, you want to turn it into a wrestling mach....

 

[El Payaso]

Just as he's free to be contradictory out of fun, any other poster is free to be as scientific as he wants.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Right.

And just as you DONT want to be bashed for being scientific, he DOESNT want to be mocked for beling unscientifically common (if a bit contradictory)

I think it's clear he was making a blanket statement that "anything can be topped"...

then when on to say Not so for Ledger's Joker b/c it was SO good (more his opinion, than an absolute.)

I'm sure if you asked him, he would say that, yes, TECHNICALLY, Ledger's Joker could potentially be topped, just like anything.

 

[Bim]

It possibly couldn't be topped performance wise but it surely can be topped story wise, but in saying that we will all just have to wait and see what the future holds for Nolan's vision of Batman in film.

Ur my hero! t:

 

[Naite22]

Can it be topped???....Yes, there's a microscopic chance, but I dont think so... but it would sure be gold!

 

[griffolyon12]

For everything that comes along, no matter what or who it is, there will always be someone or something better.

Very well put.

Even though TDK was almost as perfect as a film can get, this does not necessarily mean that there will never be another film again to be that perfect, because I can name at least 20 other films that are just as perfect as TDK in my books, BB being one of them.

Yes, cases of lightning striking three times are almost unheard of, but it can happen; just look at the Lord of the Rings, the original Star Wars trilogy, or the original three Indy films.

While the 3rd film may not have the Joker or Two-Face, this does not mean that it can not be just as good, if not better than TDK, because I remember after coming out of BB I thought that it was about as perfect as a comic book film would ever be, then TDK came along. That could happen again. Even though I am a tad skeptical, I believe that Nolan and Co. have something truly special planned. Really though, what I do not want to see in the next film is a retread of either BB or TDK. With the 3rd film I want something completely different in style than either of the first two films, simply because first I think TDK was the darkest point for Batman, and second because I think that with the 3rd one possibly being Nolan's last Bat-film there needs to be a sense of closure to his tenure at the helm of the franchise.

 

[jmc]

Yes, cases of lightning striking three times are almost unheard of, but it can happen; just look at the Lord of the Rings, the original Star Wars trilogy, or the original three Indy films.

Those last two are hardly prime examples of series were lightning struck three times.

 

[dude stannis]

Yes it can. Even Ledger's Joker can be topped if one keeps an open mind.

 

[The Joker]

Depends on how high or low your standards are.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I don't think we should have this mindset going in. As long as it's a strong and damn good film then I'm fine with it. After I see it I'll make my judgement, but I'll never think "will it be better than TDK?" Because if you think that, you'll be more disapointed. I can settle for a great film and not worry about it topping the other.

It's like pulling out TDKR, TLH, and Year One out in front of you. All of them are great in their own ways.

 

[The Guard]

You know, I'm more interested in seeing it effectively "concluded" than "topped". TDK was so good at doing what it did because it effectively "continued" what BATMAN BEGINS set up. I do think the emotional aspects from Bruce's end of things can be topped, though. Give him some real conflict to work with. I also think the "love interest" element can be topped, as can the exploration of his friendship/partnership with Gordon and his relationship with Alfred. So yes, there are elements the third Batman film can improve on from the prior two films.

 

[RockyBatboa]

I didn't find the need to be contradictory. My opinion differed from his, and I stated what mine was. All of a sudden it's become a crime to point out people's contradictory statements? It's hardly a wrestling match. I didn't "burn" him, nor did he burn me- I pointed out that he said one thing, then the complete opposite, then gave my opinion against his opinion.

Just because he's, "here for fun," doesn't mean the rest of us signed some contracts that tell us how to deal with what he says. In my opinion, YOU seem to be the one stirring stuff up, hoping for this "wrestling match."

What exactly is the statement in bold really? Truthfully?

Is it not anything more than your attempt to instigate me as an instigator?

Please......Stop being childish. And quit twisting people's words...

It's VERY annoying.

 

[RockyBatboa]

Back to B3.


It surely has the potential to top the dark knight.

Some of us think it wont, cause we're still struck by how good the Dark Knight was, but in a few years, when B3 is released, that feeling will have worn out a tad.

Just remember, people said BB was the best batman film, and couldnt be topped.
Then when DK came out, those same pople said DK was MUCH better than BB.....

When put into context, anything can be topped. And if B3 is considered an excellent movie, there will be at least a few people who enjoy it more than DK

 

[RockyBatboa]

....of course if B3 is considered to be a horrible movie.....

Nolan may possibly lose all the good graces he had accumulated to that point, from BB and DK.

(scary thought)

 

[The Guard]

We can say things like "He Raimi'd it".

 

[GlasgowBat]

at least the more "snobbish" members of the film community would be happy, seeing as nolan would be free to go back to making "proper" films............

 

[Kud-Dukan]

Can it be topped? Yes.

Will it be topped? Maybe.

But there is going to be a lot of disappointed people when the next Batman movie comes out. Not because the movie will suck, but because expectations are going to be completely unrealistic.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

What exactly is the statement in bold really? Truthfully?

Is it not anything more than your attempt to instigate me as an instigator?

Please......Stop being childish. And quit twisting people's words...

It's VERY annoying.

... Coming from you- of all people- this is hilarious. I didn't twist anyone's words. I didn't say you said one thing that you didn't. I accused you of attempting to stir stuff up, because that's how it felt given what you actually said.

Nice try.

 

[TheScarecrow]

But there is going to be a lot of disappointed people when the next Batman movie comes out. Not because the movie will suck, but because expectations are going to be completely unrealistic.

The expectations were completely unrealistic with TDK as well, and look how well that was received.

I know what majority of the people here are thinking and I know why they think BB3 won't top TDK. The same was said with BB and the reason was people were thinking TDK would be an action/adventure movie made in the same mould as Begins and it was just completely wrong.

The same is being done here. People are picturing BB3 as a crime drama and are substituting villains in The Joker's place and thinking it won't be as good. BB3 will not be a crime drama. I'm expecting something more traditional Nolan, perhaps with multiple storylines, a very inventive structure and probably be more of a mystery/thriller.

It won't be anything like TDK and since the audience will go in expecting something like that, their expectations won't matter. BB3 will be not be structured like Begins or TDK, it will not look like Begins or TDK, it will not have a storyline like Begins or TDK, it will not belong in the same genre as Begins or TDK and it will not have the same theme as Begins or TDK - so where on earth are people going to form accurate expectations on what it will be like from?

 

[Johnny Drama]

This movie is epic on all levels. Is it possible for the next film to meet or top this one? No Joker/Maybe a new actor playing the joker. Can any other villain carry a movie the way the Joker did this one?

The Dark Knight gave us a villain we loved. The next one absolutley has to deliver us a villain we hate, otherwise they will fail just like with the original series where very villain was a joker clone (The Riddler, Two-Face, hell even Ah-nulds Mr. Freeze).

We need a villain who envokes terror, one who we are afraid of and maybe Batman is a little afraid of.
I'm talkin Darth Vader status....

 

[The Guard]

The Scar-

Oh, no they've already used him...

 

[TheScarecrow]

We need a villain who envokes terror, one who we are afraid of and maybe Batman is a little afraid of.
I'm talkin Darth Vader status....

Black Mask.

Why? He's unknown to the general public, so Nolan can establish him entirely by himself. Also, he has strong storyline ties to another suspected character (Catwoman). He's definetly someone who can evoke terror because Black Mask really enjoys causing long, slow, painful deaths to his victims.

 

[TheScarecrow]

We need a villain who envokes terror, one who we are afraid of and maybe Batman is a little afraid of.
I'm talkin Darth Vader status....

Black Mask.

Why? He's unknown to the general public, so Nolan can establish him entirely by himself. Also, he has strong storyline ties to another suspected character (Catwoman). He's definetly someone who can evoke terror because Black Mask really enjoys causing long, slow, painful deaths to his victims.

 

[8wid]

The only way I an think of a bigger explosion than a hospital would be to have a dirty bomb go off.