First Avenger Captain America's Costume

[Chris Wallace]

But this is Captain America. A symbol of America. They have to sell this thing worldwide too. If I was an overseas audience member, would I really care to see a superhero named Captain America who's costume shows that shows it off? Not really. I would think America is their usual self by doing all that type of stuff. Not that I think that way. It's just that with many other countries, they don't like us very much. So seeing that, it would just tell them we're waving a flag up our ass and saying, "We're America and we have our own superhero!"

The costume is recognizeable as Cap. I think the GA will still recognize him without effing wings and a few lesser red colors.

We set the bar very low when we accept "recognizable as" and say that's good enough. Clooney's costume was recognizable as Batman. But it was still horribly executed. I want a costume that EXUDES the image of Captain America. Not a kinda sorta passable variation.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea the whole world view on the us presently shouldnt really affect captain america much. Since the film will be set in the 40s, and will probably only show the life/liberity stuff of us/democratic ideals. As for the costume i think it still is pretty good. It has the essence of the comics, and still screams cap to me. Sure its not 100% right but it still good.

 

[Agent 194]

*sigh*


I sound like a broken record, or out of touch, or whatever one wants to call me....but I want my Captain America costume to be faithful to the original. Not the "Ultimates" (and why are those line of comics deemed ultimate?"), not updated with black leather...just the one most people know. Why can DC basically have the costumes they've always had and not Marvel? I want wings on the mask. I want big cuffed pirate boots. I don't want a utility belt. I don't want a gimp mask. I want a big star.

I want my Thor costume too.

 

[roach]

But this is Captain America. A symbol of America. They have to sell this thing worldwide too. If I was an overseas audience member, would I really care to see a superhero named Captain America who's costume shows that shows it off? Not really. I would think America is their usual self by doing all that type of stuff. Not that I think that way. It's just that with many other countries, they don't like us very much. So seeing that, it would just tell them we're waving a flag up our ass and saying, "We're America and we have our own superhero!"

The costume is recognizeable as Cap. I think the GA will still recognize him without effing wings and a few lesser red colors.

the world may hate America but they eat up everything entertainment wise America puts out. They didnt have an issue with an american weapons builder creating a suit of armor in a cave....or an american businessman dressing up like a bat

 

[roach]

double post

 

[Infinity9999x]

*sigh*


I sound like a broken record, or out of touch, or whatever one wants to call me....but I want my Captain America costume to be faithful to the original. Not the "Ultimates" (and why are those line of comics deemed ultimate?"), not updated with black leather...just the one most people know. Why can DC basically have the costumes they've always had and not Marvel? I want wings on the mask. I want big cuffed pirate boots. I don't want a utility belt. I don't want a gimp mask. I want a big star.

I want my Thor costume too.

Umm...I don't know if I'd say that. None of the Batman costumes in the movies have been very faithful to the comics. TDK being the biggest offender out of that group. Superman Returns has an almost universally despised Costume, Catwoman certainly wasn't the best of costumes, and Watchmen...well, they weren't bad, but there were quite a few around here who weren't very happy that they upped the "cool" factor on the costumes and didn't stick to the campy parodied nature of them.

Really, the only movies with DC that I can think about that have had true accurate costumes were the early Superman films. Other then that, I would say Marvel beats DC in terms of costumes.

Both Hulk films looked like Hulk, Spider-man and Iron Man were superb, and the costumes were the only good thing in Ghost Rider and Fantastic Four. Daredevil really wasn't that bad either.

The X-men movies were the only ones that were wayyy off base. But that's never bothered me that much, because none of them have had set costumes, they've changed countless times over the years. Yes, they were always more colorful then what we got in the movies, but the point being, they never had a set iconic costume that had remained consistent through the years.

So really, Marvel's been pretty good on Costumes. Cap's isn't great, no. But again, I honestly have just never been a fan of Cap's costume. I can understand why they're gun-shy of it. It's pretty gaudy looking. But again, I've just never been a fan of overly bright costumes. I liked the Symbiote costume more then the classic Spidey suit for a while, and I've never been a fan of the powder-blue Batman. Just personal preference I suppose.

 

[Webhead2006]

to me both classic 616 and ultimate cap suits looks pretty darn simular minus no wings and shoulder stars pretty much. So i dont really see so much of the hoopla folks say against both costumes.

 

[Agent 194]

Umm...I don't know if I'd say that. None of the Batman costumes in the movies have been very faithful to the comics. TDK being the biggest offender out of that group. Superman Returns has an almost universally despised Costume, Catwoman certainly wasn't the best of costumes, and Watchmen...well, they weren't bad, but there were quite a few around here who weren't very happy that they upped the "cool" factor on the costumes and didn't stick to the campy parodied nature of them.

Really, the only movies with DC that I can think about that have had true accurate costumes were the early Superman films. Other then that, I would say Marvel beats DC in terms of costumes.

Both Hulk films looked like Hulk, Spider-man and Iron Man were superb, and the costumes were the only good thing in Ghost Rider and Fantastic Four. Daredevil really wasn't that bad either.

The X-men movies were the only ones that were wayyy off base. But that's never bothered me that much, because none of them have had set costumes, they've changed countless times over the years. Yes, they were always more colorful then what we got in the movies, but the point being, they never had a set iconic costume that had remained consistent through the years.

So really, Marvel's been pretty good on Costumes. Cap's isn't great, no. But again, I honestly have just never been a fan of Cap's costume. I can understand why they're gun-shy of it. It's pretty gaudy looking. But again, I've just never been a fan of overly bright costumes. I liked the Symbiote costume more then the classic Spidey suit for a while, and I've never been a fan of the powder-blue Batman. Just personal preference I suppose.

Oh well. I've long been called out of touch or out of date. What was it Woody Allen said after he made it with, and eventually married his step daughter?....[I]"the heart wants what the heart wants" [/I] I just know what mine wants on this.

 

[Chris Wallace]

*sigh*


I sound like a broken record, or out of touch, or whatever one wants to call me....but I want my Captain America costume to be faithful to the original. Not the "Ultimates" (and why are those line of comics deemed ultimate?"), not updated with black leather...just the one most people know. Why can DC basically have the costumes they've always had and not Marvel? I want wings on the mask. I want big cuffed pirate boots. I don't want a utility belt. I don't want a gimp mask. I want a big star.

I want my Thor costume too.

What DC hero has had a traditional costume on film? The closest was Superman, & his most recent outing botched the color scheme big time. Or maybe V For Vendetta is a better example but that's pretty much it. If anything, Marvel has actually done better in that department overall, having had more various movie properties than DC thus far. And apart from the X-Men & maybe Daredevil, we've had some pretty faithful costumes up until now.

I don't know why they would choose to blow it now.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Oh well. I've long been called out of touch or out of date. What was it Woody Allen said after he made it with, and eventually married his step daughter?....[I]"the heart wants what the heart wants" [/I] I just know what mine wants on this.

I don't think it's a question of being out of date or out of touch at all. I just prefer a different style. I've never been a big fan of the bright flashy costumes. I don't have a problem with people wanting a more traditional costume, I can understand the desire. And I think they could give us something more traditional and still make it look good on screen, I just also understand why they would be gun-shy.

See, I never really liked Superman's outfit either, but the thing with Supes and Spidey is that they're both superhumans. It's easier for general audiences to swallow that these individuals who can deflect and dodge bullets respectively, can dress in brightly colored outfits and survive. It gets harder when you take Cap's outfit (arguably the brightest outfit of any superhero) and try to make people believe that a man who really isn't all that super, can survive with what is essentially a gigantic target painted on his chest.

And I don't want to turn this into another "realistic" debate. I'm actually a supporter of less of the emphasis on "oh it's so REALISTIC!" This is just qualms I've had with Cap as a character ever since I was a kid. Same with Batman too. As a kid, I thought B:TAS was stupid because Batman was only wearing a cloth outfit. (B89 was the first Batman related thing I saw, and I loved the armor idea, mostly because it made for those sweet "movie monster rising back from the dead" shots after he was shot with a gun).

With characters who aren't that much more powerful then normal people, it gets harder to swallow that they can get away with those bright outfits.

But to be honest, I'm not that big of a fan of this design. For one, I REALLY don't like it for this Cap movie which is supposed to be set in WWII (looks far too modern) and if they want to go with an armored look, I would have preferred they go with a textured scale mail kind of thing, as apposed to the padded TDK look (not a design I'm fond of).

 

[sabetoonth]

to me both classic 616 and ultimate cap suits looks pretty darn simular minus no wings and shoulder stars pretty much. So i dont really see so much of the hoopla folks say against both costumes.

i know, i dont see a huge difference,

DD was pretty accurate when ya think about it, sure he had belts and stuff, but it was still decently faithful

 

[Chris Wallace]

I said maybe Daredevil.
And the difference is that 616 Cap looks like a superhero and "Ultimate" Cap looks like a grunt.

 

[Shivsguy616]

Grunt:

Ultimate Cap:

I don't see the similarity there...

 

[jab1118]

I don't think the gen audience cares much about costume. but the fans def do. so why not worry more about pleasing the fans since they r the reason the character has lasted so long and since we actually do care? (most of us.) fans r either love or hate so y take any chances? we're the most vocal audience for these movies and word of mouth is pretty important for non sequils.

also, if he goes through all this trouble to look like the american flag why would his colour scheme be blue white and brown with red straps? if the excuse for the brown is that he makes it himself and can't find red boots how the crap is he gonna find red straps? thats my biggest gripe with the suit, how much red has been turned to brown. thats the am-flag color least featured on his suit to begin with.

let me say the concept art is amazing but the color scheme needs to be fixed. the. end.

see I think u have it backward fanboys are all gonna see this movie no matter what. Some might go with an attitude that the costume aint right but they have us. Now the GA may look at a costume that they find silly looking and say ahh that looks cheesy. I had to convince many friends that Kickass was an awesome movie and lots kept saying what that superhero movie wit the cheesy cstumes. Now that movie had other marketing problems but people thought it looked goofy. And imagine if wolverine showed up in head to toe yellow we may never of had this comicbook movie boom

 

[Webhead2006]

well it will be great once we see how it looks for real on evans and then down the road in motion.

 

[sabetoonth]

see I think u have it backward fanboys are all gonna see this movie no matter what. Some might go with an attitude that the costume aint right but they have us. Now the GA may look at a costume that they find silly looking and say ahh that looks cheesy. I had to convince many friends that Kickass was an awesome movie and lots kept saying what that superhero movie wit the cheesy cstumes. Now that movie had other marketing problems but people thought it looked goofy. And imagine if wolverine showed up in head to toe yellow we may never of had this comicbook movie boom

i wSnt impressed with Kick Ass at all

well it will be great once we see how it looks for real on evans and then down the road in motion.

this i also wait for

Grunt:

Ultimate Cap:

I don't see the similarity there...

i see they both have pocketed belts, thats it

 

[roach]

see I think u have it backward fanboys are all gonna see this movie no matter what. Some might go with an attitude that the costume aint right but they have us. Now the GA may look at a costume that they find silly looking and say ahh that looks cheesy. I had to convince many friends that Kickass was an awesome movie and lots kept saying what that superhero movie wit the cheesy cstumes. Now that movie had other marketing problems but people thought it looked goofy. And imagine if wolverine showed up in head to toe yellow we may never of had this comicbook movie boom

but wasnt it supposed to be a cheesey costume????

 

[afan]

See, I never really liked Superman's outfit either, but the thing with Supes and Spidey is that they're both superhumans. It's easier for general audiences to swallow that these individuals who can deflect and dodge bullets respectively, can dress in brightly colored outfits and survive.

Did anyone actually shoot at Spidey in any of the films?
I don'r recall any bullet dodging demonstrations in the film that would allow the GA to reach the conclusion that Spidey's skill makes him bullet-proof. In fact he was barely able to dodge the Goblin's flying razor blade thingies.
If anything to the extent that his costume was shredded and his body cut in the films, I would conclude just the opposite.

 

[Webhead2006]

he was shot at a few times in the film. and most folks know he has a six sense about danger and moves. Now it might have not been used that well in the raimi films but the point still came across.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Carradine shot at him during the chase and in the warehouse, the Goblin shot at him at Times Square, and the goons shot at him during the chase after he missed MJ's play.

 

[afan]

Carradine shot at him during the chase and in the warehouse, the Goblin shot at him at Times Square, and the goons shot at him during the chase after he missed MJ's play.

Wasn't it more that he wasn't hit than he "dodged" the bullets. Certainly in the case of the Goblin that was the case as Spidey just ran in a straight line between the bullets, if memory serves me. In the scene when he is dodging Goblin's razor sharp whirling thingies, he unsuccessfully avoids them. Were they faster than a speeding bullet or more numerous than the spray from an automatic weapon?
Was there really anything in Raimi's films that demonstrates to a GA that Spidey is a superhuman whose ability makes him immune to damage to the point where he needs no protection?

 

[jab1118]

but wasnt it supposed to be a cheesey costume????

Yeah definently. Even so it turned people off of the movie. I wouldn't even say a straight off the page Cap costume couldn't be made to look cool. But I understand why a studio even if it is marvel would want to update it

 

[Shivsguy616]

I haven't heard a single person say they were turned off of that film because of his costume. One would have to be pretty slow not to realise that it was a comedy.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Did anyone actually shoot at Spidey in any of the films?
I don'r recall any bullet dodging demonstrations in the film that would allow the GA to reach the conclusion that Spidey's skill makes him bullet-proof. In fact he was barely able to dodge the Goblin's flying razor blade thingies.
If anything to the extent that his costume was shredded and his body cut in the films, I would conclude just the opposite.

The audience knows he has his Spider-sense, he was indeed shot at a few times in the films, and not to mention we see him stopping a TRAIN with nothing but his own body and his webs, and holding up a piece of wall that weighed at least a few tons.

And in regards to the goblin blades, we don't know exactly how fast they moved, since the scene went in slow motion. But given the fact that they were much bigger then bullets and did not follow a fixed path, and even curved back around and came back at Spider-man, one could make the argument that they would be harder to dodge then bullets. Especially when taken into account that he was in an enclosed area without as much room to avoid them.

...Point being, we know Spidey and Supes are both super. They can take more punishment then someone like Cap or Batman could.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Wasn't it more that he wasn't hit than he "dodged" the bullets. Certainly in the case of the Goblin that was the case as Spidey just ran in a straight line between the bullets, if memory serves me. In the scene when he is dodging Goblin's razor sharp whirling thingies, he unsuccessfully avoids them. Were they faster than a speeding bullet or more numerous than the spray from an automatic weapon?
Was there really anything in Raimi's films that demonstrates to a GA that Spidey is a superhuman whose ability makes him immune to damage to the point where he needs no protection?

The car chases have him dodging the gunfire. As for the razor bats, keep in mind that his spider-sense was occupied by multiple threats-the fire, the razor bats & the Goblin himself. He can only do so much. And he's not "immune to damage". That's a phrase that would better fit Superman. I would, however, say that the movies made it clear that he can sustain more than the average man, as we saw him get slammed through brick walls and still recover, while his costume clearly provided no protection. And the next time we saw him as Peter Parker, he didn't have a mark to show for it. Daredevil and Batman are the only movie superheroes we've ever seen with scars and wounds following a fight, and we know that they're mere mortals.