Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 1

[Iceman]

If Cap Marvel was cancelled nearly all the people here that are calm about the move back would be pissed along with those who are not. We aren't really all on different sides here. Some are suspicious of Marvel which is fair enough but this is still their first female-led attempt so we'll only know how seriously they're taking this side of things nearer the time and the true motives of any moves in release dates (as well as the adding of Wasp to the Ant Man sequel title) are just speculation.

 

[Flint Marko]

There is no reason, none at all, to think that Marvel isn't going to go through with a Captain Marvel film, or that they are dragging their feet. They announced another movie, and postponed this ones release date by a few months. It's real simple. Cut and dried. There is absolutely no reason to think the lead characters gender played any role in this. Anyone assuming as much is hastily drawing their own conclusions.

Marvel postponed the first Avengers movie by a full year. Thor 2 and Guardians had their release dates shift as well. Not to mention Batman vs Superman's change in dates. It happens all the time, people.

Well that's fandom for you in a nutshell. "My opinion is the right one and if you don't agree with me, then you don't know what you're talking about, there's something wrong with you, or you have an agenda."

Someone help me, I'm choking on irony.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Someone help me, I'm choking on irony.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

But serious, they better not pull this stunt with She-Hulk or I will

 

[SwiftFox]

Would rather they take the time to get Carol right than rush it. So the more I think about it the more I'm ok with Captain Marvel being pushed back.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Would rather they take the time to get Carol right than rush it. So the more I think about it the more I'm ok with Captain Marvel being pushed back.

I'm not pleased, her movie is delayed a second time for a movie that needed to be saved for phase 4.
Sure it might give them more time to come up with a more tweaked script, but I also dread it might lead to further disappointment.

 

[flickchick85]

I wouldn't worry. Disney of all things cannot possible have missed how many girls are into these films as it is and if you don't think they're going to capitalize on that then...

The same company that didn't put Princess Leia action figures in their stores? That is until social media and eventually the actual media made a stink over it, of course. It seems like public outcry is almost REQUIRED for any of these people to change their ways.

Part of the reason why I'm not concerned about this particular film, is that Marvel has spend a number of years revamping Carol Danvers and pushing her as a top flight superhero in all sorts of media, including giving her the tagline Earth's Mightiest Hero. It just doesn't have the look and smell of a character that's being neglected or that they don't have big plans for.

This is honestly the main reason I'm not worried about Marvel following through with this film. It's very clear from the current state of the comics that they have big plans for this character. Hell, Kelly Sue DeConnick even said in her interviews that she was choosing leave the title now because she was told she'd otherwise have to dig in for another 3 years to help gear up the character for the movie.

 

[Moridin]

I don't think there's anything to read into, as that seems pretty cut and dry to me. She'll start getting into the character after she meets with Marvel. They'll probably have specific storylines and versions in mind for her and Perlman to read up on.

It lends a little more weight to CM being important to the IW's. Markus & McFeely would only have started to write those a month or 2 ago (after Civil War finished filming), so maybe they wanted to wait to see how those started taking shape before starting CM.

Listen I can't argue with Marvel's early strategy, they made the films anybody would make first. I'm not necessarily going to go back in time, those obviously good and profitable decisions they made are fine, whatever. I think now it's now time for a company with a bold reputation to get off their asses and become even bolder. That's where I'm coming from.

They could have easily have put Ant Man 2 in at March 2019, kept CM where she was in Nov 2018 (or even moved her up to July 2018, where Ant Man 2 is now), and not lost any brownie points.

Totally agree. They should be bold. The problem is they've grown so successful that they dont HAVE to be bolder. They're essentially a machine now. If Dr Strange blows up, you can bet your ass that Inhumans will be pushed back as well. If Spiderman makes a billion dollars, a black panther sequel will drop right behind the spiderman sequel.

I dont marvel is sexist or is scared of making more representational movies. Its just not a huge priority for them.

Well, no actually. Even in the previous spot BP would have started filming before Spder-Man was released.

I don't. They could have easily squeezed another movie in there.

Into Phase II? No, there's a reason they won't be making 3 films a year until 2017, and it's not sexism or racism.

 

[Parker Wayne]

I'm not worried about them cancelling Captain Marvel at all. Marvel wouldn't have the balls to do that. Can you imagine the backlash they'd get for doing something like that? It would be immense. They'd risk pissing off more people from doing that than anything else they've done before. So yeah, I don't think there's any chance it gets cancelled.

Like I said, I'm annoyed with Captain Marvel's and Black Panther's dates because it reeks of condescending pandering, but it's an annoyance I'll get over.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

To be fair March is not a bad time to release a blockbuster, national Woman's day or not. I am side eyeing that February release for Black Panther though.

 

[Parker Wayne]

It's not a bad time, but it feels like a such an overt pandering move, especially when you realize that Captain Marvel gets released on International Women's Day.

Like I said, it's not a dealbreaker or anything like that. It's more of a mild annoyance that I'll get over.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't see this date so much as pandering just because International Women's Day is barely a thing. In the media, at least. I don't think much if anything will be made of it. Now Black Panther during Black History month? That's a whole other story. I'm side-eying that one hard, and not just for the pandering. There's no way that film will do as well there as it would have in July, imo. So it's like they hurt its box office chances WHILE patronizing its audience in one fell swoop.

But oh well, like you said, it's just a mild annoyance. Seems like their treatment of these two properties has just been one mild annoyance after another, lol.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't see this date so much as pandering just because International Women's Day is barely a thing. In the media, at least. I don't think much if anything will be made of it. Now Black Panther during Black History month? That's a whole other story. I'm side-eying that one hard, and not just for the pandering. There's no way that film will do as well there as it would have in July, imo. So it's like they hurt its box office chances WHILE patronizing its audience in one fell swoop.

Thankyou for explaining it exactly as I was going to. I like most am not even familiar with International Woman's Day so I just don't see it as a huge deal that CM is released on that day in March. I'm actually willing to give Marvel the benefit of the doubt that the date is just a coincidence. The Black Panther in Black History month doesn't seem like a coincidence at all.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Marvel's PR strategy of putting the Wasp name in Ant-Man's sequel title does not work on us. It can work on you, others and some of the interwebs media who treat Marvel with kid gloves but it doesn't work on us.

First off, who is "us"? Second, what won't work?

Still not the same. "Oh yeah we'll give you a female in a starring, as long as a white also gets to star was well." Also, given how they handled her in the first movie, I don't really trust that she won't end up being Scott Lang's sidekick. Again, this is one area where Marvel HASN'T earned to benefit of the doubt, imo. Other areas, sure, but not here. Their track record thus far is pretty damn dismal.

Well, of course she was a sidekick in that movie. It was called "Ant-Man." The fact that she's in the name for the next one shows a deliberate change. It's signalling "now we can give her a more leading role."

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If you didn't get my post, tough cookies.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Thank you for your helpful reply. I enjoyed our discussion.

 

[Parker Wayne]

I don't see this date so much as pandering just because International Women's Day is barely a thing. In the media, at least. I don't think much if anything will be made of it. Now Black Panther during Black History month? That's a whole other story. I'm side-eying that one hard, and not just for the pandering. There's no way that film will do as well there as it would have in July, imo. So it's like they hurt its box office chances WHILE patronizing its audience in one fell swoop.

But oh well, like you said, it's just a mild annoyance. Seems like their treatment of these two properties has just been one mild annoyance after another, lol.

Thankyou for explaining it exactly as I was going to. I like most am not even familiar with International Woman's Day so I just don't see it as a huge deal that CM is released on that day in March. I'm actually willing to give Marvel the benefit of the doubt that the date is just a coincidence. The Black Panther in Black History month doesn't seem like a coincidence at all.

I just don't think either are coincidences. The fact they put moved Captain Marvel to exactly that day along with Black Panther spells that both were done on purpose. Both of them are put on months (and for Captain Marvel, a day also) that's of significance to what stands out about their identity? If Captain Marvel was just moved alone, I'd give it the benefit of the doubt on that, but both makes it pretty hard to say its not a coincidence.

It's more of a "Really?" reaction than anything else. I still look forward to both, but it's a rather perplexing decision.

 

[mclay18]

Maybe LaFauve and Perlman's drafts for Captain Marvel will impress Feige so much he pushes the film up, like he did with BP. Studios have constantly shifted titles around, way before Marvel Studios was founded.

At this rate, WB's Wonder Woman will be airing on FX by the time CM hits theaters. I was wondering why Disney picked March 8 (when Marvel tends to pick first weekend of the month), but after hearing about IWD... yeah, that's pandering. At first I thought it was because March had a good track record for female-led blockbusters, which made sense too.

 

[Loki882]

First off, who is "us"? Second, what won't work?



Well, of course she was a sidekick in that movie. It was called "Ant-Man." The fact that she's in the name for the next one shows a deliberate change. It's signalling "now we can give her a more leading role."

-She should have had a more starring role the first time around. That whole thing was lame as Hell.
-She's STILL more competent/qualified that he is. So no, she SHOULDN'T be his sidekick, and HER name is in the title as well.
-People want to hold up that and say "see, it's ok. We're still getting a woman-led film." And I (and others) are pointing out that it's NOT the same thing.

 

[Loki882]

You just described your own posting style perfectly. Magnifique!

No, actually I didn't. I post my opinion, and people are free to respond and have a debate or not. What I DON'T do is accuse people of having "agenda's" or "pandering" or being stupid, or some other such nonsense.

But thank you for proving my point for me. It is, as you say, magnifique.

 

[Loki882]

Would there even be an MCU if they'd chosen to lead with She-Hulk and Squirrel Girl? Loki loves that "20 movies without wimmins" argument but when you take away direct sequels to the universe-establishing Big 3 plus team-based films the track record isn't nearly as one-sided as he would like you to believe.

Actually it is, because you CANNOT take sequels and teamups away (especially they they've been overwhelmingly white and male as well). So we really needed three Thor, IM, and Cap films before ANY female-led films. Two, ok maybe, but three each, yeah no not buying it.

And I'm sorry, but how is ZERO female-led film in over a decade NOT one-sided. Please explain that to me, I'd love to here it.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

-She should have had a more starring role the first time around. That whole thing was lame as Hell.
-She's STILL more competent/qualified that he is. So no, she SHOULDN'T be his sidekick, and HER name is in the title as well.
-People want to hold up that and say "see, it's ok. We're still getting a woman-led film." And I (and others) are pointing out that it's NOT the same thing.

5 months......................

 

[Mike5575]

Maybe LaFauve and Perlman's drafts for Captain Marvel will impress Feige so much he pushes the film up, like he did with BP. Studios have constantly shifted titles around, way before Marvel Studios was founded.

At this rate, WB's Wonder Woman will be airing on FX by the time CM hits theaters. I was wondering why Disney picked March 8 (when Marvel tends to pick first weekend of the month), but after hearing about IWD... yeah, that's pandering. At first I thought it was because March had a good track record for female-led blockbusters, which made sense too.

Well, I doubt that Marvel will move either Captain Marvel or Black Panther again. Could you imagine the reaction if Black Panther loses Black History Month to Hulk or Captain Marvel loses International Women's Day to Iron Man? Maybe Feige has moved these projects for those dates so they wouldn't get moved again.

I just don't want to see Captain Marvel movie advertised in the media like "On International Women's Day." It would be too much. It would be Marvel telling people this character is awesome because she's a woman. Uh, no thank you.

 

[Snow Queen]

5 months......................

8 months, actually.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

8 months..........