Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 1

[Dark Raven]

again there is a limit to that. An actress who is several inches off is no big deal. One nearly a foot from where she should be, especially in relation to everyone else wont work

FYI, RDJ is not several inches shorter than GP. They are both the same height at 5'9. You may be confusing her for when she is in heels. You can see them there in a candid for the IM3 premiere. That is not movie trickery at play

When she was in bare feet in Avengers, she was the same height as RDJ and they even framed her in the same shot as him without it being a close up so you could see them standing next to each other. Unless of course, RDJ was in lifts even in that shot.

The thing about actresses who are short (eg 5'1") is that, unless they are very well proportioned, their legs can look shorter. You can tell the difference between an actress with long legs and one with short legs. The latter looks more compact and sometimes stumpier.

And even if they are well proportioned they could potentially look scaled down compared to everyone else. So someone like Kylie Minogue, who is 4'11" but perfectly proportioned, if trying to pass as someone almost a foot taller, would look like the difference between a 6" action figure and a 5" action figure next to each other. It's not just a matter of height but overall scale.

 

[Silvermoth]

You guys make me want to make a "how old should Carol be?" thread..

Please don't. We didn't need one for any of the male superheroes

 

[TheJediBrah]

Hollywood actors and actresses have a long history of playing characters who are about 10-15 years younger than themselves (see: any "teen" movie or TV show). So a 39-year old actress playing a 24-29 year old character is par for the course. Problem?

Uh yeah . . . no

28-29 year old playing an 19-20 year old --> does happen sometimes
39 year old playing a 24 year old --> not so much

By this logic a 16 year old actor could play a 1 year old, cause age gap right?

 

[TheJediBrah]

again there is a limit to that. An actress who is several inches off is no big deal. One nearly a foot from where she should be, especially in relation to everyone else wont work

FYI, RDJ is not several inches shorter than GP. They are both the same height at 5'9. You may be confusing her for when she is in heels. You can see them there in a candid for the IM3 premiere. That is not movie trickery at play

Well it looks to me like Gwyneth Paltrow is at least an inch or two taller than RDJ in that picture, unless you're counting from the top of RDJ's hair

 

[Havok83]

Well it looks to me like Gwyneth Paltrow is at least an inch or two taller than RDJ in that picture, unless you're counting from the top of RDJ's hair

You dont see her shoes. She's also in some ridiculous heels, which again proves my point

Spoiler

 

[Dark Raven]

There are heels? I was distracted by that long line of leg and how she appears to not be wearing any underwear.

 

[cph9fa]

I know it's the wrong universe, but I just learned that this was a thing that actually existed. It was a 1941 "serial film" (broken into 12 shorter segments that aired weekly), and was apparently "the first superhero film adaptation of a comic book." Looks like Wikipedia links to the Internet Archive where you can watch it.

 

[Dark Raven]

I know it's the wrong universe, but I just learned that this was a thing that actually existed. It was a 1941 "serial film" (broken into 12 shorter segments that aired weekly), and was apparently "the first superhero film adaptation of a comic book." Looks like Wikipedia links to the Internet Archive where you can watch it.

Wrong universe.

 

[cph9fa]

Wrong universe.

Whaaaaat??? No way! I should probably mention that in my post somewhere...

 

[Spider-Vader]

He's also not called that now.

 

[MbJ]

Shazam! Which makes more sense since that's what the public thinks he's called anyway.

 

[Silvermoth]

I hope they get Rhiannon Pratchett to write this movie. She's amazing. I love what she did with lara croft

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I really wish Whedon had the time to write the screenplay.

 

[Mike Murdock]

He may. He has no projects after Age of Ultron and the movie isn't until 2018.

 

[MbJ]

Didn't Joss say he doesn't like Carol all that much?

 

[Dark Raven]

Didn't Joss say he doesn't like Carol all that much?

I don't know about that. I thought he said that about Wonder Man.

Carol is a strong female. It's right up his alley.

But I'm sure others can do as good if not better job than Whedon.

 

[harryoscop]

Please don't. We didn't need one for any of the male superheroes

I haven't seen anyone suggesting a 40/70 year old to play Spider-Man...

 

[Endeavor]

 

[cph9fa]

Didn't Joss say he doesn't like Carol all that much?

IIRC (and it's been a while) his comments to that effect were that she had a more generic powerset (compared to someone like Scarlet Witch), which made it more difficult to do interesting things with her. I can't find an original source, but here's a second-hand quote:

There’s also been a bit of a push for a Ms. Marvel or maybe a Captain Marvel movie as well, actually.

You know, I like those characters. [but] I do like a character whose powers are a little bit more defined. One thing I like about, you know, Pietro and Wanda is that I know how—I know what they are able to do. With him, it’s very clear, with her, we have set rules for the film. And, um, you know, when somebody’s just, like, awesome and flies around and can punch things you’re sort of like…uh, that actually makes your job harder. The easier life is for them, the harder life is for you.

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EDIT: I found the original source, from SDCC 2013. (The Captain Marvel question is at 1:35)

 

[Havok83]

IIRC (and it's been a while) his comments to that effect were that she had a more generic powerset (compared to someone like Scarlet Witch), which made it more difficult to do interesting things with her. I can't find an original source, but here's a second-hand quote:

There’s also been a bit of a push for a Ms. Marvel or maybe a Captain Marvel movie as well, actually.

You know, I like those characters. [but] I do like a character whose powers are a little bit more defined. One thing I like about, you know, Pietro and Wanda is that I know how—I know what they are able to do. With him, it’s very clear, with her, we have set rules for the film. And, um, you know, when somebody’s just, like, awesome and flies around and can punch things you’re sort of like…uh, that actually makes your job harder. The easier life is for them, the harder life is for you.

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EDIT: I found the original source, from SDCC 2013. (The Captain Marvel question is at 1:35)

that doesn't even make sense. Carol's powerset is a lot more than defined than Wanda, who has one of the most open ended one. He described Carol as pretty generic which means he obviously doesn't get her. He completely left out her energy absorption and manipulation

 

[MbJ]

that doesn't even make sense. Carol's powerset is a lot more than defined than Wanda, who has one of the most open ended one. He described Carol as pretty generic which means he obviously doesn't get her. He completely left out her energy absorption and manipulation

He's said in the past that he did not want any more "punchy" characters in teh Avengers since they already have Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, and the Hulk, which is why he chose to add Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Vision in the sequel.

So he could be saying generic in the sense that her flying brick powers are already covered by existing characters on the team, whereas Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver bring something new.

 

[Havok83]

He's said in the past that he did not want any more "punchy" characters in teh Avengers since they already have Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, and the Hulk, which is why he chose to add Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Vision in the sequel.

So he could be saying generic in the sense that her flying brick powers are already covered by existing characters on the team, whereas Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver bring something new.

She brings something new with her energy absorption/manipulation. He had no one with her flashy set in Avengers 1 so for him to write her off as simply a punchy character just doesn't make sense when she's more than that

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Captain America, Hulk, Hawkeye and Black Widow cant do that. The closest is maybe Iron Man. He had a lot of melee based as well as street level characters on the first squad but I don't think adding Carol would have been redundant. Probably budget would be a big factor in holding off on her. I hope they don't simply give her flight and strength in this film, but that they also make use of her energy powers bc they are pretty cool

 

[flickchick85]

Honestly, the main thing I'm getting from that quote is that he had a specific use in mind for Scarlett Witch's powers in terms of the plot for his film, because it's the type of stuff that is completely new to the MCU. While Carol's powers haven't exactly been done yet, they still fall into the same category as characters that have already been established.

That said, his primary concern with Carol seems to be that she's so powerful. When he says SW's powers are "more defined," I don't think he's saying Carol's power set is too unclear, but more that it's too much. Like she can physically do so much, that she's therefore harder to write for, hence "The easier life is for them, the harder life is for you," part. Which would explain why Thor seemed to be his least-favorite in the first Avengers film, too.

I also doubt Joss has read much (if any) of Carol's solo stuff, so he probably only really knows her for her power-set at the moment. He was an X-Men guy so there's a good chance he's always had a better handle on the actual character stuff with SW/Quicksilver than with Carol. I'm sure once he gets to know the character of Carol in her film (or potentially other films before that), he'll start to get an idea of how to write for her if he's gonna have to do so in Infinity War.

 

[DrCosmic]

Agreed with that. While Carol's secondary powers haven't been done, the main powers: flying, punching, shooting energy, these are all well done by multiple other characters. Even absorbing energy we've seen Iron Man do. So even if you have Iron Man busy, I dunno, fixing a propeller, Carol can still fly around, zap all the people for Cap and have time to go help Thor fight Hulk. It's hard to have problems already, but you want to add yet another person with extreme mobility and extreme power? And this one can shoot and absorb energy even better than Iron Man? Geez.

I disagree that knowing the character better makes that easier. It's certainly something Marvel's committed to dealing with during Infinity War Part II, which may not take much between everyone being separated at some point, perhaps across the cosmos, and coming together for the final battle or what have you.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Was he saying her powers aren't well-defined or the character (and her role) are undefined?