The Dark Knight Rises Catwoman Discussion Thread

[Matt.S99]

Me neither. I don't know why people would like that attrocity.

How is it an atrocity? Its still pretty much the same old suit, just with a turtle neck and huge ears.

I think the turtle neck idea is great. Its a great way to cover her face when she needs to. I can do without the gigantic ears though, but they werent terrible. Wouldnt want them for a live action suit though. And I liked the colour scheme. I liek the colour scheme as well, but again, I dont think its needed. Also, the goggles on the suit were pretty cool and I absolutely LOVED how they had a mask under the goggles. That, I thought, was perfect. Shows that she doesnt always need the goggles.

Id totally take aspects from that design for the movie costume. The turtle neck and the mask/goggle combo(with much smaller ears). The rest of the costume would be the current one.

 

[Mr. Earle]

You're the one getting caught up on such small details. So how is it I'm splitting hairs, again?

So i guess you find the 90ies catsuit, the grey one over it and the BTAS catsuit identical. I cant find the grey leotard bland but like the purple catsuit because of the purple, the fact that it has two colours and long boots and gloves?
No, they re the same thing according to you.

You havent stated your preferred catsuit but instead you ve posted 3 posts nitpicking and criticizing my tastes. What's the matter with you today? Is it that time of the month?

 

[jaymes_e06]

How is it an atrocity? Its still pretty much the same old suit, just with a turtle neck and huge ears.

I think the turtle neck idea is great. Its a great way to cover her face when she needs to. I can do without the gigantic ears though, but they werent terrible. Wouldnt want them for a live action suit though. And I liked the colour scheme. I liek the colour scheme as well, but again, I dont think its needed. Also, the goggles on the suit were pretty cool and I absolutely LOVED how they had a mask under the goggles. That, I thought, was perfect. Shows that she doesnt always need the goggles.

Id totally take aspects from that design for the movie costume. The turtle neck and the mask/goggle combo(with much smaller ears). The rest of the costume would be the current one.

IDK I look at those ears and I think chiwawa nothing really cat like about it and the everything else looks to over exaggerated. Just IMO but it just seems like way to much going on which is weird because there isn't that much going on really.

 

[Mr. Earle]

How is it an atrocity? Its still pretty much the same old suit, just with a turtle neck and huge ears.

I think the turtle neck idea is great. Its a great way to cover her face when she needs to. I can do without the gigantic ears though, but they werent terrible. Wouldnt want them for a live action suit though. And I liked the colour scheme. I liek the colour scheme as well, but again, I dont think its needed. Also, the goggles on the suit were pretty cool and I absolutely LOVED how they had a mask under the goggles. That, I thought, was perfect. Shows that she doesnt always need the goggles.

Id totally take aspects from that design for the movie costume. The turtle neck and the mask/goggle combo(with much smaller ears). The rest of the costume would be the current one.

That's what i'm saying. The Batman catsuit has all these extra details that upgrade its look. The black one pales by comparison. Its too realistic and bland for the comics. And when you got that suit in the comics, what's Nolan gonna do? Poor Chris will have to give her a pair of jeans to make her realistic.
Cause you know, he has to make everything more realistic. Pads perhaps?

IDK I look at those ears and I think chiwawa nothing really cat like about it and the everything else looks to over exaggerated. Just IMO but it just seems like way to much going on which is weird because there isn't that much going on really.

I'd be fine with smaller ears. What i'd definitely keep are the red details.

 

[Matt.S99]

Well, as I said, they dont need to have huge ears like those.

 

[Crook]

So i guess you find the 90ies catsuit, the grey one over it and the BTAS catsuit identical.

The purple suit, no. For the BTAS/Miller suit; identical, no. Practically the same, yes.

I cant find the grey leotard bland but like the purple catsuit because of the purple, the fact that it has two colours and long boots and gloves?
No, they re the same thing according to you.

They're entirely different colors and the purple has long black boots with an opening behind the mask for the hair to let loose. Of course they're different. It's blatantly obvious at first glance. As I've said above, they are not the same. Ask before assuming.

You havent stated your preferred catsuit

The modern suit.

but instead you ve posted 3 posts nitpicking and criticizing my tastes. What's the matter with you today? Is it that time of the month?

I'm simply questioning why you're making them out to be two completely different designs when they're clearly not. Why are you so sensitive today? It is your[ time of the month?

 

[Mr. Earle]

Why are you so sensitive today? It is your[ time of the month?

Yeah....

The modern suit.

There you go!

I'm simply questioning why you're making them out to be two completely different designs when they're clearly not.

The details make a big difference to me. I didnt say they re completely different, but there are differences big enough to make a simple black suit interesting.
But we all know what Nolan will do dont we? [blackout]Pads! [/blackout]

 

[Cordoba]

Based on what?

I get the impression Nolan has tried to make everything as original as possible, and I see no reason why that will change. He's taken the source material but still created an original Bat-world.

I may be wrong; Nolan may well use the trademark Catwoman costume, but I sense that that will not be the case, if he does indeed choose to insert her in the story.

 

[Crook]

I wouldn't say it's entirely original. It is after all based on existing designs. His most "radical" change was with Ra's, which was the equivalent of no outfit. Scarecrow was just a sackhead with a suit, so that wasn't entirely original either.

Joker....was pretty damn close to the source material. As was Two-Face, albeit with a very nice approach to the whole split costume concept.

Nolan tends to "ground" the more gaudy designs, but still keep it within the realm of the original interpretation. With Selina's current outfit, there really isn't much (if any) to change.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I wouldn't say it's entirely original. It is after all based on existing designs. His most "radical" change was with Ra's, which was the equivalent of no outfit. Scarecrow was just a sackhead with a suit, so that wasn't entirely original either.

Joker....was pretty damn close to the source material. As was Two-Face, albeit with a very nice approach to the whole split costume concept.

Nolan tends to "ground" the more gaudy designs, but still keep it within the realm of the original interpretation. With Selina's current outfit, there really isn't much (if any) to change.

But how is she gonna stand against bullets? Its unrealistic man!

 

[Cordoba]

I wouldn't say it's entirely original. It is after all based on existing designs. His most "radical" change was with Ra's, which was the equivalent of no outfit. Scarecrow was just a sackhead with a suit, so that wasn't entirely original either.

Joker....was pretty damn close to the source material. As was Two-Face, albeit with a very nice approach to the whole split costume concept.

Nolan tends to "ground" the more gaudy designs, but still keep it within the realm of the original interpretation. With Selina's current outfit, there really isn't much (if any) to change.

Yes, I know it's strange to call a comic-book movie original when it is in fact based on an already existing product, but Nolan has still redesigned certain characters, to an extent - Rah's and Joker being the primary candidates.

Those characters were still close to the source material, but they have elements to them that show Nolan's eagerness to also put his own stamp on them, and I feel if Catwomen were introduced, Nolan would try his best to put his stamp on that character. And I fancy he'd do that by kind of redesigning the costume, entirely. To give us something we've never seen before, while at the same time staying close to the source material.

 

[Crook]

But how is she gonna stand against bullets? Its unrealistic man!

Cleavage.

Yes, I know it's strange to call a comic-book movie original when it is in fact based on an already existing product, but Nolan has still redesigned certain characters, to an extent - Rah's and Joker being the primary candidates.

Ra's I've already pointed out, but what did he drastically change in Joker's appearance? Asides from the fact that it was make-up, the iconography of the character has stayed. Everything from the neck-down is practically ripped straight from the comics.

Those characters were still close to the source material, but they have elements to them that show Nolan's eagerness to also put his own stamp on them, and I feel if Catwomen were introduced, Nolan would try his best to put his stamp on that character. And I fancy he'd do that by kind of redesigning the costume, entirely. To give us something we've never seen before, while at the same time staying close to the source material.

The thing about Catwoman is she has a very minimalist design. She isn't like Joker, Two-Face, or Riddler, who have very extraordinary sense of style. If you take away those two cat ears on her mask, it's a very unassuming type of garb for what you'd expect a cat burglar to wear.

How do you reinvent something that's already simplistic? You'd almost have to go the other way and make it extravagant, which is unlike Nolan, and the wrong approach to take with the character.

 

[jaymes_e06]

^Especially since she's supposed to be incognito.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The thing about Catwoman is she has a very minimalist design. She isn't like Joker, Two-Face, or Riddler, who have very extraordinary sense of style. If you take away those two cat ears on her mask, it's a very unassuming type of garb for what you'd expect a cat burglar to wear.

How do you reinvent something that's already simplistic? You'd almost have to go the other way and make it extravagant, which is unlike Nolan, and the wrong approach to take with the character.

I agree with this post but I dont think it would be wrong if they added a few details or if they made the suit purple. Begins had a lot of colour in itself, the tint, the mountains, the monastery. In TDK we only got Hong Kong's blue and the Joker to give some colour to the movie and frankly i found it lacking. I wish we had that yellow tint as well. So with the Joker gone, B3 desperately needs some colour.

^Especially since she's supposed to be incognito.

She is incognito because she isnt seen, not because her black suit does anything.

 

[jaymes_e06]

^

 

[Mr. Earle]

^

Did i misunderstand you? Could you elaborate?

 

[Infinity9999x]

She is incognito because she isnt seen, not because her black suit does anything.

She's a burglar, and part of the thing of not being seen is to wear something that's not easy to see at night. Hence dark colors.

And Purple...I just don't really see purple working. The only time purple works is when the character is supposed to be blatantly flamboyant, like the Joker. And even then, he wasn't wearing a skin-tight purple bodysuit...and a purple bodysuit just doesn't look very good.

I would definitely go black, or shades of dark gray and black.

 

[terry78]

You can explain the cat motif/ears by her somewhat being inspired by cats or just having her be a little nuts. Considering who the star of the franchise is, wearing a cat suit would be the least crazy thing on the screen.

 

[Mr. Earle]

She's a burglar, and part of the thing of not being seen is to wear something that's not easy to see at night. Hence dark colors.

And Purple...I just don't really see purple working. The only time purple works is when the character is supposed to be blatantly flamboyant, like the Joker. And even then, he wasn't wearing a skin-tight purple bodysuit...and a purple bodysuit just doesn't look very good.

I would definitely go black, or shades of dark gray and black.

Thanks for the answer. Its a lot better than smilies.

So yeah, i see what you and Crook mean, but i dont think that a dark purple suit (like the 90ies one) or the one from The Batman are too flamboyant. Anyway, all i am asking is for little colour and unrealism. I never asked for her to dress up like the joker.

Because after all, in real life many criminals have gotten animal themed nicknames over the years but no one considered dressing in an animal themed costume. Why would Selina do it when she is perfectly sane, although a bit obsessed with cats? Because its comics. I'd understand Nolan going with the current comics catsuit, realism and seriousness are his shtick after all, but i dont understand why the comics catsuit is so simple when Batman is currently traveling back in time after being shot by purple lasers from a god from another dimension.

I'd rather have a good comic book movie with lots of flair and escapism, rather than an uber realistic one. In the end realism gave us a costumeless Scarecrow, a costumeless Ras, a costumeless Wolverine and a batsuit made of jigsaw pieces. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Purple?

Does Purple look good on the Phantom...in a frickin jungle?

 

[Cordoba]

Ra's I've already pointed out, but what did he drastically change in Joker's appearance? Asides from the fact that it was make-up, the iconography of the character has stayed. Everything from the neck-down is practically ripped straight from the comics.

Nah, I'm seeing a hell of a lot of originality in Heath's Joker. A hell of a lot. So much so that I've heard many folks say that they dislike it due to its distance from the comic-book version.

The cut smile, long brown and green hair, and messy make-up brought about a new kind of Joker that really we'd never seen before. That's the angle I'm coming from. To me, it is still the Joker from the comics, but is still an original Nolan design, in a way.

The thing about Catwoman is she has a very minimalist design. She isn't like Joker, Two-Face, or Riddler, who have very extraordinary sense of style. If you take away those two cat ears on her mask, it's a very unassuming type of garb for what you'd expect a cat burglar to wear.

What's minimal to you may not be to our friend Nolan.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Thanks for the answer. Its a lot better than smilies.

So yeah, i see what you and Crook mean, but i dont think that a dark purple suit (like the 90ies one) or the one from The Batman are too flamboyant. Anyway, all i am asking is for little colour and unrealism. I never asked for her to dress up like the joker.

Because after all, in real life many criminals have gotten animal themed nicknames over the years but no one considered dressing in an animal themed costume. Why would Selina do it when she is perfectly sane, although a bit obsessed with cats? Because its comics. I'd understand Nolan going with the current comics catsuit, realism and seriousness are his shtick after all, but i dont understand why the comics catsuit is so simple when Batman is currently traveling back in time after being shot by purple lasers from a god from another dimension.

I'd rather have a good comic book movie with lots of flair and escapism, rather than an uber realistic one. In the end realism gave us a costumeless Scarecrow, a costumeless Ras, a costumeless Wolverine and a batsuit made of jigsaw pieces. Just my 2 cents.

I don't mind a more fantastical Batman, but to be honest, I just don't think Purple bodysuits look that good on screen. I'm the same way on the Blue Batsuit. I just don't like look of it.

But as for the Catsuit in the comics, you could say the same thing about the Batsuit. Why isn't Batman going around in an Iron Man getup? After all, like you said, he's getting lazers shot at him by gods, and he has the tech to make himself a robo-suit like Iron Man that would protect him better.

To be honest, I've never been a fan of Batman going up against super powered beings like that in general. I just think it's kind of silly. I don't mind things being unrealistic, I would call The Long Halloween and Dark Victory unrealistic, but when you have scenarios where Batman is defeating meta-humans that could kill him in one punch with his own physical skills...it just gets a bit silly.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I don't mind a more fantastical Batman, but to be honest, I just don't think Purple bodysuits look that good on screen. I'm the same way on the Blue Batsuit. I just don't like look of it.

I dont like the blue batsuit either.

But as for the Catsuit in the comics, you could say the same thing about the Batsuit. Why isn't Batman going around in an Iron Man getup? After all, like you said, he's getting lazers shot at him by gods, and he has the tech to make himself a robo-suit like Iron Man that would protect him better.

Because Batman's suit has stayed basically the same all these years and its now considered iconic. Obviously some suspension of disbelief is needed, because any sane man would close that mouth opening with a gas mask, or even better, send Booster Gold to the future to shop for high tech gear. However Catwoman has been changing her suit every decade so her suit design isnt set in stone.

To be honest, I've never been a fan of Batman going up against super powered beings like that in general. I just think it's kind of silly. I don't mind things being unrealistic, I would call The Long Halloween and Dark Victory unrealistic, but when you have scenarios where Batman is defeating meta-humans that could kill him in one punch with his own physical skills...it just gets a bit silly.

Clayface, Bane, Croc, Deathstroke and others possess superhuman abilities and strength. They re no Darkseid of course. Anyway thats an issue for another thread.
I personally have no problems with Batman being in the JL. You already have to suspend your disbelief to accept that the Flash (godhax) doesnt clean up the room in a second and the others have a chance to fight, so you suspend it a little more and fit in Batman. Its not like fights Darkseid himself. He usually fights whoever is on his level and acts as the teams strategist.
I was like you but after watching JL animated i changed my mind.

Anyway, to sum up the current comics catsuit is too bland for me. Black Cat is a thief as well and yet i never caught myself wondering if the white fur will make her easier to detect in the dark. Her suit has a certain thief look, but it manages to be beautiful as well by leaving realism at the door.

 

[jaymes_e06]

She's a burglar, and part of the thing of not being seen is to wear something that's not easy to see at night. Hence dark colors.

And Purple...I just don't really see purple working. The only time purple works is when the character is supposed to be blatantly flamboyant, like the Joker. And even then, he wasn't wearing a skin-tight purple bodysuit...and a purple bodysuit just doesn't look very good.

I would definitely go black, or shades of dark gray and black.

Thank you Infinity.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I dont like the blue batsuit either. Because Batman's suit has stayed basically the same all these years and its now considered iconic. Obviously some suspension of disbelief is needed, because any sane man would close that mouth opening with a gas mask, or even better, send Booster Gold to the future to shop for high tech gear. However Catwoman has been changing her suit every decade so her suit design isnt set in stone. Clayface, Bane, Croc, Deathstroke and others possess superhuman abilities and strength. They re no Darkseid of course. Anyway thats an issue for another thread.
I personally have no problems with Batman being in the JL. You already have to suspend your disbelief to accept that the Flash (godhax) doesnt clean up the room in a second and the others have a chance to fight, so you suspend it a little more and fit in Batman. Its not like fights Darkseid himself. He usually fights whoever is on his level and acts as the teams strategist.
I was like you but after watching JL animated i changed my mind.

Anyway, to sum up the current comics catsuit is too bland for me. Black Cat is a thief as well and yet i never caught myself wondering if the white fur will make her easier to detect in the dark. Her suit has a certain thief look, but it manages to be beautiful as well by leaving realism at the door.

I see what you're getting at. I wouldn't mind a little flair on Catwoman's suit, I'm just not a fan of purple. It's a hard color to make work, especially when it's a skin tight bodysuit.

Also, I don't mind Bats in JL, I just don't like it when they show Bat's going toe to toe with villains like Amazo or Darkseid and making it out in one piece. If the writing's good enough it doesn't bother me, (basically if Bats manages to beat the villains with his wit) but too often I see writers showing Bats use his phyiscal brawn to best enemies that he doesn't really have a right to beat.