The Dark Knight Rises Details on Catwoman in TDKR

[Dark Knight]

This reminds of the days when pics of Joker were released and 90% of you crazies were whining and crying about it.

Then guess what happened? All Ledger did was win a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his role as the Joker!

First time a comic book based character won an Oscar I believe!

 

[J. Senoah]

This reminds of the days when pics of Joker were released and 90% of you crazies were whining and crying about it.

Then guess what happened? All Ledger did was win a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his role as the Joker!

First time a comic book based character won an Oscar I believe!

I still think the Joker in the comics, cartoon, and Burton movie are far more versatile and entertaining to read/watch. Heath did good, but he hype for him is too much.

 

[DaveMoral]

Thats more nonsesense . Julie Newmar is arguably the most famous Catwoman and she has no cowl ? If you people prefer the mask or cowl that is your right , but to say the costume has to have it is nonesense considering the most famous ( or right behind MP ongoing Returns) does not .

It still amazes me that people can justify no costume for Wolverine but are going nuts over the lack of a cowl .... Its hypocracy . I am sorry you can try and say the Clawd are the costume all you want . It is far differenrt look from the comic book appearances.

I think you are misconstruing the points I made and merely glossing over other points I've made about Catwoman's characterization, especially as that pertains to workshops that Nolan has consistently been drawing from for his films. And in those works the fact that she puts on the cowl is crucial to who she is and to the arc of her character. Wolverine's costume has never been presented in comics even as essential to his character. That suit is definitely an iconic look, but it is not his character. Catwoman, on the other hand, has been presented over the course of the last 30 years as the costume being a very important aspect of her as a character trait. Arguably, back in the 40s when she switched to the purple costume with the cowl and cape it was as a direct response to Batman himself, though I don't have a reprint of the pertinent issue to see if it was addressed(Batman #3 I believe).

Personally, I'm not naysaying the film at all. Who knows, it may work in the context of the film or there may actually be more to the costume including a cowl when all is said and done. What I am saying is that so far this seems to be a failure to present a recognizable Catwoman and it's not just so-called fanboys that think so. My wife has barely been tolerating my enthusiasm for this production the past couple weeks and her response to that pic was "doesn't look very Catwoman. " There are obviously media sources sayingis the same thing.

 

[Sith Scotti]

I think you are misconstruing the points I made and merely glossing over other points I've made about Catwoman's characterization, especially as that pertains to workshops that Nolan has consistently been drawing from for his films. And in those works the fact that she puts on the cowl is crucial to who she is and to the arc of her character. Wolverine's costume has never been presented in comics even as essential to his character. That suit is definitely an iconic look, but it is not his character. Catwoman, on the other hand, has been presented over the course of the last 30 years as the costume being a very important aspect of her as a character trait. Arguably, back in the 40s when she switched to the purple costume with the cowl and cape it was as a direct response to Batman himself, though I don't have a reprint of the pertinent issue to see if it was addressed(Batman #3 I believe).

Personally, I'm not naysaying the film at all. Who knows, it may work in the context of the film or there may actually be more to the costume including a cowl when all is said and done. What I am saying is that so far this seems to be a failure to present a recognizable Catwoman and it's not just so-called fanboys that think so. My wife has barely been tolerating my enthusiasm for this production the past couple weeks and her response to that pic was "doesn't look very Catwoman. " There are obviously media sources sayingis the same thing.

I understand what your saying I just think its one big fallacy . No matter how you twist , people seem to accept Wolverine change from the comics but have a gripe with Catwoman's . What you think is iconic is a matter of an opinion . Wolverine's costume looking nothing like the comics is a fact.

 

[KalMart]

This reminds of the days when pics of Joker were released and 90% of you crazies were whining and crying about it.

Then guess what happened? All Ledger did was win a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his role as the Joker!

First time a comic book based character won an Oscar I believe!

I guess we'll have to wait for the 2012 Oscars to judge the merit of if this Catwoman, then.

 

[The Joker]

This reminds of the days when pics of Joker were released and 90% of you crazies were whining and crying about it.

Then guess what happened? All Ledger did was win a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his role as the Joker!

First time a comic book based character won an Oscar I believe!

And he truly deserved it, too.

 

[J. Senoah]

I understand what your saying I just think its one big fallacy . No matter how you twist , people seem to accept Wolverine change from the comics but have a gripe with Catwoman's . What you think is iconic is a matter of an opinion . Wolverine's costume looking nothing like the comics is a fact.

Like I mentioned in my other post, Hugh Jackman looks very much like the Wolverine from the comics. He's got the same build, the claws, the hair, the face, etc. And guess what? That may have been a big deal back in 2000, but it's not 2011. People have accepted it if they were against it in the first place; plus, we saw his performance with it.

The "Catwoman" images do not look anything like Catwoman. It just looks like some generic Aeon Flux type spy character with awkward looking goggles. It's a bad design, and there is nothing in the image that even gives a hint of her being Catwoman. Of course there will be people who don't like it, and they have every right to voice their opinion.

With that said, we still need to see her performance plus she apparently gets the mask later in the film. By the time the movie comes out, the general opinion of her suit might change, but right now, we only have a couple still images to go off of that may or may not even be the final suit.

 

[Citadel30]

I still think the Joker in the comics, cartoon, and Burton movie are far more versatile and entertaining to read/watch. Heath did good, but he hype for him is too much.

i respect your opinion, but i have to disagree with Burton/Jack Joker as a better Joker. Nicholson basically played himself as the Joker and there wasnt any real change in his character from the Shining or any of his other movies... it was Jack Nicholson with face paint.

Heath completely transformed himself into something that was unrecognizable to himself. His mannerisms, his bodily movements, his twitches, it was all pure genius... IMO - of course.

 

[Travesty]

I understand what your saying I just think its one big fallacy . No matter how you twist , people seem to accept Wolverine change from the comics but have a gripe with Catwoman's . What you think is iconic is a matter of an opinion . Wolverine's costume looking nothing like the comics is a fact.

I don't know why you keep bringing up Wolverine as your prime example? I'm not a fan of the X-Men movies, and one of the reasons is the costumes, but at the same time, Wolverine holds more characteristics to his counterpart, than what we have seen with Anne's Catwoman.

Wolverine still has his hair that is shaped like the comics, he has his claws, he has his cigars, he has a suit, and he is muscular like Wolverine, etc. The only thing he is missing, is his mask.

Now with Anne, she has a black leather suit, and some goggles that don't resemble a cat in the slightest. No claws, no whip, no cat ears, etc. The only thing she has is the suit, and some goggles that aren't even identifiable of a cat. It's just a bad comparison, IMO, cause it still looks like Wolverine with his mask off, whereas Anne doesn't have any cat-like characteristics about her suit.

 

[Doc Samson]

This reminds of the days when pics of Joker were released and 90% of you crazies were whining and crying about it.

Then guess what happened? All Ledger did was win a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his role as the Joker!

First time a comic book based character won an Oscar I believe!

Foolishly, after that debacle I figured people would cool it a little this time around with jumping to conclusions.

I remember the first official Joker reveal of just his face (which I loved by the way) and people started coming up with all types of crap about him not wearing purple, not having hair, not laughing, just utter nonsense. I'd say things worked out pretty well. But hey, everyone is entitled, knock yourselves out

Wolverine still has his hair that is shaped like the comics, he has his claws, he has his cigars, he has a suit, and he is muscular like Wolverine, etc. The only thing he is missing, is his mask.

And the fact he's almost 6'5." People freak out about Bane's height because it's "essential" to his character. Well, he's nowhere near as iconic as Wolverine, and Logan's size is a big part of his character's scrappy nature. And his namesake.

 

[DaveMoral]

I don't know why you keep bringing up Wolverine as your prime example? I'm not a fan of the X-Men movies, and one of the reasons is the costumes, but at the same time, Wolverine holds more characteristics to his counterpart, than what we have seen with Anne's Catwoman.
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Wolverine still has his hair that is shaped like the comics, he has his claws, he has his cigars, he has a suit, and he is muscular like Wolverine, etc. The only thing he is missing, is his mask.

Now with Anne, she has a black leather suit, and some goggles that don't resemble a cat in the slightest. No claws, no whip, no cat ears, etc. The only thing she has is the suit, and some goggles that aren't even identifiable of a cat. It's just a bad comparison, IMO, cause it still looks like Wolverine with his mask off, where as Anne doesn't have any cat-like characteristics about her suit.

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If any argument here has been a fallacy it's Scotti's because he's shifting the goalposts in orders to tell us why our arguments are wrong while simultaneously never actually addressing the substance of said arguments. Instead it's "but Wolverine didn't have his costume." If I gave you this photo unlabeled and without you knowing what production it came from you would never say to me off the top if your head "that's Catwoman. " Hugh Jackman as Logan on the other hand, you'd say "oh cool, that's Wolverine."

 

[Travesty]

Foolishly, after that debacle I figured people would cool it a little this time around with jumping to conclusions.

I remember the first official Joker reveal of just his face (which I loved by the way) and people started coming up with all types of crap about him not wearing purple, not having hair, not laughing, just utter nonsense. I'd say things worked out pretty well. But hey, everyone is entitled, knock yourselves out

And I know I've said this before, but that is a bad comparison, as well. When we got the first close up shot of The Joker, people had doubts, but all we could see was a close up of his face. Once we saw a full-on reveal of the entire Joker costume, people came around. But with this, we have the full costume reveal for Catwoman...we know what she'll look like. It's there to judge more accurately than a close up shot of Joker's face.

I think people just don't like it, and it's not just SHH.....

 

[J. Senoah]

i respect your opinion, but i have to disagree with Burton/Jack Joker as a better Joker. Nicholson basically played himself as the Joker and there wasnt any real change in his character from the Shining or any of his other movies... it was Jack Nicholson with face paint.

Heath completely transformed himself into something that was unrecognizable to himself. His mannerisms, his bodily movements, his twitches, it was all pure genius... IMO - of course.

I disagree (his Joker, while having similar traits to previous roles is not the same at all), but even if Jack Nicholson was just playing himself as the Joker, I don't think that takes away from how entertaining he was on screen. He's a real-life Joker! If you don't have access to Batman: The Animated Series, and I wanted to show someone the Joker who knew nothing about him, I'd show this person Nicholson's Joker over Ledger's.

I suppose we'll agree to disagree here, and that's fine, but I don't see how Jack's previous roles made his performance of the Joker worse.

 

[Doc Samson]

And I know I've said this before, but that is a bad comparison, as well. When we got the first close up shot of The Joker, people had doubts, but all we could see was a close up of his face. Once we saw a full on reveal of the entire Joker costume, people came around. But with this, we have the full costume reveal for Catwoman...we know what she'll look like. It's there to judge more accurately than a close up shot of Joker's face.

I think people just don't like it, and it's not just SHH.....

According to Anne it isn't though. We don't know at what point that scene takes place, which makes the comparison accurate, because we knew full well that was just a makeup test shot for the Joker and people still overreacted, just as they're doing now

 

[Citadel30]

Although Nolan has changed up minor details on the villains thus far... has anyone really sat back and said - "man, he TOTALLY MISSED THE BOAT ON THAT?!?!?!!?!"

I think he has done a pretty good job of making the characters as "realistic" as possible while maintaining their comic book origins and looks. I have no doubts that Nolan will pull off a Catwoman to incorporate the comic book look along with a realistic approach to her suit and functionality.

just sit back and enjoy the ride guys... and In Nolan I Trust!

 

[Travesty]

According to Anne it isn't though. We don't know at what point that scene takes place, which makes the comparison accurate, because we knew full well that was just a makeup test shot for the Joker and people still overreacted, just as they're doing now

She already said that it's just a 1/10th of what the suit can do. She also said that poeple who like it have good taste. Those should lead us to believe that this is what she'll look like, but the functionality of the suit is what's impressive.

Even Jett said this a few days ago. He said that this is the fully formed suit, and that we should wait, cause "we haven't seen anything yet". Which, is basically what Anne said yesterday on the MTV video interview. I think it's safe to say that this is what Catwoman will look like in the movie. Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I'm 99% certain this is the "Cat-suit".....

 

[batmanofbaylor]

i'm just excited that anne called it a "catsuit". that implies that the complete version will have features of a... y'know... cat.

 

[DaveMoral]

So basically all of the arguments against anyone saying they want Catwoman to look like Catwoman is "Nolan has delivered before, don't critique the officially released shot!"

 

[Citadel30]

I disagree (his Joker, while having similar traits to previous roles is not the same at all), but even if Jack Nicholson was just playing himself as the Joker, I don't think that takes away from how entertaining he was on screen. He's a real-life Joker! If you don't have access to Batman: The Animated Series, and I wanted to show someone the Joker who knew nothing about him, I'd show this person Nicholson's Joker over Ledger's.

I suppose we'll agree to disagree here, and that's fine, but I don't see how Jack's previous roles made his performance of the Joker worse.

I dont think his previous roles made the Joker worse, i just dont think he really added anything for it.

But yea, i think Jack's Joker fit the Burton franchise perfectly and i think Heath's Joker is a perfect fit for the Nolan franchise. Both movies are highly entertaining and i dont have a problem with either Joker.

 

[Doc Samson]

She already said that it's just a 1/10th of what the suit can do. She also said that poeple who like it have good taste. Those should lead us to believe that this is what she'll look like, but the functionality of the suit is what's impressive.

Even Jett said this a few days ago. He said that this is the fully formed suit, and that we should wait, cause "we haven't seen anything yet". Which, is basically what Anne said yesterday on the MTV video interview. I think it's safe to say that this is what Catwoman will look like in the movie. Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I'm 99% certain this is the "Cat-suit".....

I believe the quote was "That's like a tenth of what the catsuit is" not what it can do, but what it is. Who knows is the point though. They probably only released those pics because they knew blurry spy pics would have made even more of a stir up.

And with all due respect to Jett, and I do frequent his site from time to time, I'd rather take the word of the actress on the set.

 

[Sith Scotti]

So basically all of the arguments against anyone saying they want Catwoman to look like Catwoman is "Nolan has delivered before, don't critique the officially released shot!"

Yep and everyone who likes the suitv is apparently a Nolanite . This debate has run its course . You either like the suit or don't . If it effects the way you like the film one way or another , its silly . The writing & performance is whats going to make the character not some silly comic book look

 

[Bat-Mite]

OH MY GOD, the Joker isn't going to wear purple! TDK is teh ruined!!!!

 

[Citadel30]

So basically all of the arguments against anyone saying they want Catwoman to look like Catwoman is "Nolan has delivered before, don't critique the officially released shot!"

i think all of us want Catwoman to look like Catwoman. But i believe that Nolan likes to stir the pot and release picts of characters that do not tell the full story of that character just to mess with us (the public).

all i am saying is that so far, he hasnt let us down yet and i am not going to let a single photo of her riding a bat-pod dictate that he completely missed the Catwoman outfit. Patience, fellas when the movie comes out - lets pick it apart. until then, healthy debates are great, but dont assume that what we see now is a finished product.

 

[DaveMoral]

Yep and everyone who likes the suitv is apparently a Nolanite . This debate has run its course . You either like the suit or don't . If it effects the way you like the film one way or another , its silly . The writing & performance is whats going to make the character not some silly comic book look

Just like if Batman weren't in his suit all that would matter is the writing a performance. Because that's the relevant comparison for Catwoman.

 

[J. Senoah]

But yea, i think Jack's Joker fit the Burton franchise perfectly and i think Heath's Joker is a perfect fit for the Nolan franchise. Both movies are highly entertaining and i dont have a problem with either Joker.

Same here. I totally agree!