The Dark Knight Rises Catwoman Discussion Thread

[Majik1387]

Obligatory fan service like that, yeah it never is.

 

[flickchick85]

You have to understand though that the Brubaker series features a long-established Catwoman whose history with Batman is already well-trodden ground. What we've been talking about here mostly are those "first dates," where the mystique and the moral conflicts between them is at its height.

At this point, Bats and Selina are practically like an old married couple, heh.

I wasn't aware that you were only familar with her through the solo series; that explains the disconnect.

You should check out The Long Halloween. Given Nolan's affection for the book, it might be a good place to start to get an idea of what kind of Catwoman Nolan would use.

And if you love the relationship between Bruce and Selina, read Paul Dini's Heart of Hush. Bruce's confession at the end will make you cry! (I did )

Ah, The Long Halloween. See, it's a pickle, because I know I should read it, but as a bigger TV fan than comics fan, I've developed a strong allergy to Jeph Loeb. I despise his writing in TV. So that, combined with my general preference for comics without tons of the rogues gallery in them (I like my smaller, simpler superhero stories), has made it extremely difficult for me to muster up the motivation to actually check it out. But I know I should - everyone and their mom seems to love it.

Paul Dini, on the other hand? Yes please. BTAS is my all-time favorite animated series, so I'm always game to check out anything from him. I definitely hadn't heard of that one either, so thanks for the recommendation.

As for Brubaker, I don't know, because despite it being a long-established Catwoman as you pointed out, that's still the characterization of her that I want to see. I loved those stories, and I feel like that incarnation of Catwoman fits so perfectly into Nolan's overall story. So I guess since Nolan seems to just pick-and-choose elements from various incarnations and make them into a fresh whole, my dream scenario would be if he took some inspiration from BTAS for the "first date" aspects you mentioned of the Bruce/Selina relationship, but took his inspiration for Selina's actual motivations/characterization from Brubaker's run. Just b/c that's probably the only way I'll ever get to see his version on film as there's no way Nolan's series is gonna go long enough for her to be "long-established." So yeah, I'm just gonna be selfish and cross my fingers for that, other versions be damned.

I was referring strictly to the Batman/Catwoman dynamic rather than their human identities. Strange distinction to make, I know, but it is what it is.

I do think they have far more intriguing discussions as Selina and Bruce, even if they are maintaining a cover. Oddly enough it's when they're at their most defensive that the emotional arcs start to play out. I sort of see both of them struggling to find comfort with one another as in their minds it's not an honest depiction of who they are or meant to be. The masked counterparts may be them at their truest form, but it's also a representation of a lifestyle that has no room for a love-life. So the allure is there but nothing will ever truly come out of it. Hence my previous post on how little there is to work with in terms of dialog.

This bump only exists so as long as their identities are kept from one another though. Once that's over with Nolan can really dig deep into their relationship.

Oh, my bad, I totally misunderstood what you were getting at there. This, I agree with, especially that last sentence, which is why I'm hoping they learn each others' identities sooner rather than later.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Not gonna happen. I don't think I've ever seen a Nolan film where he's gone for a cheap, "sexy" shot like that. Not his style.

He loved showing us all of Guy Pierce. Woah, i just realized, Guy Pierce is the only actor in Nolan's film who had a lot of "sexy" scenes.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think this(with an added million dollars or so) would be appropriate. and hot.



And hell, we could even see a scene where, after effectively evading Batman, we see her in her apartment, she takes off her mask, and slides the zipper down, to give us a tantalizing peek, and she slinks onto her bed with some of her cats.

LOL, I love the fantasizing in this thread

 

[ALP]

At least Schumacher gave us plenty of sexy bat-butt shots!

 

[TheBatman072]

You guys make it seem like I'm talking about popping her **** out and fondling them for a full minute.

Sliding a zipper down, as she walks into a bedroom isn't fanservice. It's someone getting ready to get undressed.

I guess all those shots of Bale with his shirt off in both Begins and TDK was fanGIRL service?

 

[Matt.S99]

Showing abit of cleavage is fine, but not all the way zipped down to her belly button.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think it was the wording that made it sound like the beginning of a soft core porn haha.

 

[TheBatman072]

Showing abit of cleavage is fine, but not all the way zipped down to her belly button.

I never said all the way down to her belly button.

I said sliding the zipper down.

I'm not sure how I could explain the action I'm talking about...

Let's say the zipper loop is zipped all the way up to her neck as she walks into her apartment through a window.

She takes the mask off and tosses it onto a chair or couch or what have you. Maybe along with her gloves.

As she heads to her bedroom, with her cat(s) following her, she begins to slide the zipper down and makes it to about...mid way down. So...just above her chest before we get to the "goods." The camera stops and she turns her back to it walking into her bedroom, laying on her bed and then falls asleep, too exhausted to even get undressed after her chase with Batman.

Cut to a scene a few rooftops away, and Batman is standing(or crouched) there with a pair of high powered binoculars, Catwoman not knowing that he allowed her to "lose" him earlier, to follow her unnoticed back to her place. He now knows that Selina Kyle, the woman Bruce Wayne has been seeing, is the cat burglar Catwoman.

 

[PreK]

Showing abit of cleavage is fine, but not all the way zipped down to her belly button.

Stop being a prude.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

He loved showing us all of Guy Pierce. Woah, i just realized, Guy Pierce is the only actor in Nolan's film who had a lot of "sexy" scenes.

Guy Pierce for Catwoman?

P.S. Ya'll are killin' my buzz.

 

[ALP]

Anyone else really dislike the Catsuit in Long Halloween? It looked like Catwoman was wearing a large purple condom. Definitely prefer Jim Lee. But she should only wear the goggles during a heist.

I wouldn't mind if the zipper was down(if she has one) but not for the entire time. Save it for when she is suiting up. Didn't one of the female X-Men in the movies have a costume with zipper cleveage? Or am I just imagining it.

 

[Majik1387]

Anyone else really dislike the Catsuit in Long Halloween? It looked like Catwoman was wearing a large purple condom. Definitely prefer Jim Lee. But she should only wear the goggles during a heist.

I wouldn't mind if the zipper was down(if she has one) but not for the entire time. Save it for when she is suiting up. Didn't one of the female X-Men in the movies have a costume with zipper cleveage? Or am I just imagining it.

Only the alternate action figures of Storm and Jean had cleavage, not in the movie.

 

[Bat-Mite]

He loved showing us all of Guy Pierce. Woah, i just realized, Guy Pierce is the only actor in Nolan's film who had a lot of "sexy" scenes.

I forgot about that. It was kinda part of the story, but it was still sexy.

 

[Mr. Earle]

So Nolan has no interest in the sex huh? What a prude...

 

[TheBatman072]

So Nolan has no interest in the sex huh? What a prude...

 

[ALP]

Only the alternate action figures of Storm and Jean had cleavage, not in the movie.

Ah, I see. thanks

 

[regwec]

I never said all the way down to her belly button.

I said sliding the zipper down.

I'm not sure how I could explain the action I'm talking about...

Let's say the zipper loop is zipped all the way up to her neck as she walks into her apartment through a window.

She takes the mask off and tosses it onto a chair or couch or what have you. Maybe along with her gloves.

As she heads to her bedroom, with her cat(s) following her, she begins to slide the zipper down and makes it to about...mid way down. So...just above her chest before we get to the "goods." The camera stops and she turns her back to it walking into her bedroom, laying on her bed and then falls asleep, too exhausted to even get undressed after her chase with Batman.

Cut to a scene a few rooftops away, and Batman is standing(or crouched) there with a pair of high powered binoculars, Catwoman not knowing that he allowed her to "lose" him earlier, to follow her unnoticed back to her place. He now knows that Selina Kyle, the woman Bruce Wayne has been seeing, is the cat burglar Catwoman.

No need to be defensive; I am suprised to see so many refuse to admit that sexuality is a big part of Catwoman's appeal. If Nolan chose to obliterate that, then he would end up with a slightly pale, anemic character.

Take the zipper down to her bladder, for gods' sake.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Burton's Catwoman was about as sexual as one could get away with in a PG-13 film, but she still wasn't shoving her boobs in everyone's face.

 

[regwec]

I couldn't care less. Why do people call for a character to have sex appeal, but then squeal and flinch away from any suggestion of sex? Is this 1810?

 

[Bat-Mite]

Do we want this to be a Batman movie, or do we want it to be a porno about Catwoman? I think some of this discussion is downright demeaning to her. She does use her sexuality to her advantage, that's true, but she also has some dignity, and people seem to be forgetting that. The picture that was displayed earlier where her breasts were barely even covered is definitely not something I'm keen on seeing in the film. From some of this talk, you'd think she was a character that ran around with her bare breasts constantly flopping about in the open.

 

[Majik1387]

A skin tight catsuit isn't sexy enough?

 

[PreK]

Take the zipper down to her bladder, for gods' sake.

I shouldn't be surprised finding a rendition of this was so easy to find:

However I'm disappointed more realistic drawings have not been made with similar depictions.

Burton's Catwoman was about as sexual as one could get away with in a PG-13 film, but she still wasn't shoving her boobs in everyone's face.

Surely it didn't help dear Michelle didn't have any to flaunt.

On a serious note, Michelle's take was very overt in her sexual aggression. You're right, not much skin was even shown and yet it was one of the most sexual roles of that time. With Nolan's series we (presumably) won't have the luxury of shiny skintight latex or an intensely wanton performance. We should take the erotic undertones where we can get it. Simple things such as casting an already stunning actress or having her do 'slinky' things now and then (such as zippering down). It doesn't have to turn into softcore. But admittedly it's hard to describe this particular topic without some people's imaginations completely going wild with it. But I am adamant it's absolutely possible to portray an alluring women in a beautiful way without demeaning her.

I highly expect Nolan's Catwoman to be more subtle. It's entirely feasible to have one as sexy as Michelle (albeit in a much different manner). Though with a 'quiet' approach you teeter the line of possibly delivering a watered down interpretation of the character.

 

[TheBatman072]

Do we want this to be a Batman movie, or do we want it to be a porno about Catwoman? I think some of this discussion is downright demeaning to her. She does use her sexuality to her advantage, that's true, but she also has some dignity, and people seem to be forgetting that. The picture that was displayed earlier where her breasts were barely even covered is definitely not something I'm keen on seeing in the film. From some of this talk, you'd think she was a character that ran around with her bare breasts constantly flopping about in the open.

Missed the point completely.

And she's not real. It'll be okay.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Wow you guys are too serious and prude...