The Book of Boba Fett Chapter 6: From the Desert Comes a Stranger (Spoiler Discussion)

[BatLobster]

Just wanted to say that I can't believe they're really going all the way in with Luke. I mean, I believe it. But it just wasn't something I was expecting at all to see in BOBF. They're really putting their cards on the table for where they're taking this stuff. It's exciting.

I will be honest, I still think he sounds atrocious. His appearance is MUCH improved, but they have to figure out something about that audio. I don't know what. But he sounds like a robot/video game character. At the same time...it kind of suits the way he's behaving as a prequel Jedi...

Which brings me to another point. I do hope that if we're going to continue to tell stories about Luke, we can flesh out some of this attachment stuff. I am 100% certain that Filoni is aware about how crucial that was to Vader's redemption, because it's something he's broken down beautifully before. But if we're going to develop Luke more, then they need to figure out a way to make him emote in a more believable way. Right now he seems suited to be this NPC character, which I guess works for the role he has now. Him trying to remake the Jedi order exactly as it was does seem to track well with TLJ, but I will say that seeing that in action only 5 years after ROTJ does feel jarring to me. With all the pieces they have on the board-- Mando, Grogu, Ahsoka, there's a lot they can explore there. I feel like there is some grey area there, because nowhere in TLJ does Luke ever say that he tried to do things 100% the same. And we know that he comes to view the legacy of the Jedi as failure. Luke's state in TLJ has more to do with him internalizing his own failure with Ben and equating it with the Jedi's failure at large. At least that's how I see it.

All in all, I think there is rich stuff to be explored there. And if it's too much to do it on screen, this still opens all sorts of storytelling opportunities for novels and comics. I have no doubt that with enough creativity, they can build a nice bridge and flesh out Luke's journey between trilogies.

So I should see things from YOUR narrow view? Am I not allowed to have opinions?

Guess what. The sequels sucked. I hate them. HATE HATE HATE them. They completely ruined everything that Star Wars was about. I don't want any future Star Wars story to ever reference them again.

That's my opinion. Deal with it.

It's too late. They have already been referenced in multiple instances in the Filoni stuff. Maybe you should deal with that.

Nobody's telling you not to have an opinion. But maybe just let Filoni and Favreau do their thing. Filoni is a master of working within parameters that are divisive and making great Star Wars out of it. If you trust in Filoni/Favreau then maybe just try going for the ride. As a wise Jedi once said, let go of your hate.

 

[Sithborg]

So I should see things from YOUR narrow view? Am I not allowed to have opinions?

Guess what. The sequels sucked. I hate them. HATE HATE HATE them. They completely ruined everything that Star Wars was about. I don't want any future Star Wars story to ever reference them again.

That's my opinion. Deal with it.

The problem with this attitude is that you cut yourself off from potential future stories. I mean, we've already seen proto-Snoke in The Mandalorian. Does that make the series lesser in your view? LFL has been very restrictive in the post ROTJ story telling lane, sadly seeming to prioritize live action stuff to fill out the details. Personally, I would like some more stories with the Colossus crew after TROS.

So many wonderful works came out of the PT era, that many like yourself would probably never try if they had that attitude.

What can they possibly do to explain Luke's exile at this point? Have him say "You know if my student ever grows up to betray me and destroy my school 20 years from now I'm planning to go into exile and give up on the Jedi completely"?

Plain and simple, Luke's overconfidence in his teaching ability. Which I think "I will train you to be a GREAT Jedi" conveys pretty well.

 

[misjuevos]

Just wait for the World between worlds then they might make some changes. It is like their time travel get out of jail free card.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes I have seen the Clone Wars.
To your first point, You said in the previous post Darth Vader had no attachments. You made a big deal about it with a picture and everything so I don't know why you mentioned this again only to say he has emotional attachments.
To your second point about Yoda. The first clip is if I remember is the dagobah darkside cave it's a test. He was shown a vision and he made it out ok.
The second clip is also a vision and he is only trying to figure out what is going on and who is behind it. He is trying to decipher his vision. He is able to break free of the vision because he is not attached, seeing everyone dying doesn't sway him and seeing everyone together peacefully doesn't sway him. He knows it isn't real and lets go. He passes this test as well. These so called emotional moments are test and he passes because he has let go of his attachments and can see through them.
To your third point. I said before I am ok with attachments for Jedi. Yoda is powerful because he doesn't have attachments, all the other Jedi have some attachments and that is why they aren't as strong as him in the force. He has feelings but he is ok with death because it isn't the end in his mind. They become one with the force.

Darth Vader had no attachment. Anakin did. Which is why once Luke shows up, Vader reacts in an emotional way, that leads to him to returning to Anakin Skywalker, saving Luke and tossing the Emperor down the shaft.

Yoda making it out okay, doesn't change the point. He shows emotional attachments. Luke passes his test in Cloud City. He still has attachments. What makes a Jedi a Jedi is how even with their feelings, they do not fall to the dark side, they don't give in. That is different then your completely inaccurate claim that he's super strong because he has no attachment. He wouldn't see those things, he wouldn't be effected by them if he had no attachment. If Yoda was how you painted him, he'd walk through, completely unbothered. He isn't. He reacts, in a very visceral manner.

As to Yoda's strength. He's strong in the Force, but not all powerful.. He couldn't beat the Emperor. Others did. He didn't discover the ability to retain identity after death. That was Qui-Gon. Yoda's strength comes from his age, which comes with wisdom, added to his race being naturally attuned to the Force, thanks to high midichlorian counts. Yeah, I said it. It's canon.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So I should see things from YOUR narrow view? Am I not allowed to have opinions?

Guess what. The sequels sucked. I hate them. HATE HATE HATE them. They completely ruined everything that Star Wars was about. I don't want any future Star Wars story to ever reference them again.

That's my opinion. Deal with it.

If the ST ruined Star Wars for you, if you can't handle a reference, you shouldn't be watching these shows. There is already plenty of the ST in Mando and Boba. There will be more. Same with Ahsoka. You're either going to have to deal with it, or not watch. Your choice.

You are allowed to have your opinion. You are even allowed to do it in the very angry manner you have chosen. But as a wise little dude once said:

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Once upon a time that was true, but I don't think that's the case anymore. You can hear it in a lot of Mark's recent voice acting gigs. I actually think all of those vocal acrobatics he did during the heyday of his voice acting career has probably limited his vocal range now. It's just so taxing. It's like how you see with a lot of singers with the widest ranges actually seem to lose the most as they age. See for instance Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin. Guy could hit crazy high notes as a young fella and they had to basically downtune and change the key for all of their songs at their reunion in 2006 because Robert couldn't hit the same notes anymore.

They should just bring in a voice actor who can do a good impression, the voice is the only real flaw with the recreation, I was at least very impressed with how much the likeness has improved, and it will no doubt continue to improve and allow for more a more expressive performance, but the voice is something that I just don't see them being able to get a good performance out of with technology, at least not anytime soon. I would still prefer they just outright recast though, knowing that it literally can't be Hamill makes it always feel a little weird seeing CG Hamill.

 

[samsnee]

Someone obviously has not watched the Making Of doc for the season 2 finale. Young Luke's voice on both Mando and here is completely computer generated using samples of Mark's voice from his youth. It's an audio deep fake. None of it is a new performance from Mark.

Ah ok. I saw his name in the credits so I assumed it was a live voice. Did they give a reason why he didn’t want to voice him again?

 

[Karelia]

Ah ok. I saw his name in the credits so I assumed it was a live voice. Did they give a reason why he didn’t want to voice him again?

I would bet they tried, but his voice matches his age at this point, he sounds nothing like he did 30+ years ago.

 

[henzINNIT]

If that happens then all of this fan service is for nothing.

Star Wars fandom in one sentence.

Once upon a time that was true, but I don't think that's the case anymore. You can hear it in a lot of Mark's recent voice acting gigs. I actually think all of those vocal acrobatics he did during the heyday of his voice acting career has probably limited his vocal range now. It's just so taxing. It's like how you see with a lot of singers with the widest ranges actually seem to lose the most as they age. See for instance Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin. Guy could hit crazy high notes as a young fella and they had to basically downtune and change the key for all of their songs at their reunion in 2006 because Robert couldn't hit the same notes anymore.

I see your point. Voices undoubtably change over time. But this is a Luke from a few years later, he doesn't have to sound exactly like he did in the OT, and I'd rather he sounded convincingly like Mark Hamill and a human being than this Luke Skywalker soundboard. Hell you could just alter the pitch a little in post if you needed to.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Wonder if we will get the Cad & Boba showdown that is ended up getting axed when Clone Wars was cancelled

His redesign for Bad Batch implies that the showdown still happened in canon, but Bane survived.

 

[TheVileOne]

They definitely overdid it with Deep Fake Luke in this episode. It was too much. S2 finale of Mandalorian was a good amount.

I don't think we ever should've visited Luke and Grogu again, at least not this soon.

 

[TheVileOne]

As mentioned, the voice is literally robotic. And beyond testing the tech, I don't get it. Seems like everyone accepts Darth Vader's voice sounding different in newer stuff because James Earl Jones is much older, but no-one cares because it's always great to have him back. Mark Hamill would be exactly the same case with fans, except Vader's voice is processed and easier to fake, and Hamill can probably adjust his own voice better than most.

The problem is they wanted Luke as a fully involved present and interactive, immersive character. That doesn't work in a live-action series. They over-used the deep fake tech.

As a Boba nut, not gonna lie, I miss the guy and I wish they gave him a couple more scenes. Regardless, wow did I love this episode. I think what they do with Luke here was far more engaging to me than his little action sequence in the Mandalorian Season 2 Finale. Love the Ahsoka-Luke interactions.

But oh my stars and garters, the entrance of Cad Bane was masterful. Fantastic.

Also for some reason got emotional when Ahsoka said she was an "old friend of the family".

I desperately need Boba so I'm hoping they nail the finale. Kinda scared that Rodriguez is directing though considering how off his game he's been in this show.

I think they mishandled the last two episodes. I think episode 5 would've been perfectly fine as a one-off, but then they spent basically half of episode six with Luke and Grogu, basically doing stuff that should've been left aside for Mandalorian S3. This was a mistake.

Like we just set up that Boba's gotra is going about to go to war with the Pykes. It feels like they didn't have enough storytelling this season and wrote these two episodes to pad out the season to 7 episodes.

Like by Episode 4, I think we got everything established and lined up in a good place. Now I think the show has diverted too much from the present-day timeline.

 

[Weather Witch]

Just wait for the World between worlds then they might make some changes. It is like their time travel get out of jail free card.

This one has been debated to death, but that's not how the World Between Worlds works I'm afraid. It's a closed loop. No different versions or timelines. It can't be used to change anything about the sequels. This might not be the appropriate place for that discussion though. If you want, I can DM you.

What can they possibly do to explain Luke's exile at this point? Have him say "You know if my student ever grows up to betray me and destroy my school 20 years from now I'm planning to go into exile and give up on the Jedi completely"?

Again, there is more to the story of the sequels then things that happen 20 years from now. Han has a baby now, Leia is in a different place, and Luke is starting his school. Those things are part of sequels too, which can be explored further here.

 

[misjuevos]

Darth Vader had no attachment. Anakin did. Which is why once Luke shows up, Vader reacts in an emotional way, that leads to him to returning to Anakin Skywalker, saving Luke and tossing the Emperor down the shaft.

Yoda making it out okay, doesn't change the point. He shows emotional attachments. Luke passes his test in Cloud City. He still has attachments. What makes a Jedi a Jedi is how even with their feelings, they do not fall to the dark side, they don't give in. That is different then your completely inaccurate claim that he's super strong because he has no attachment. He wouldn't see those things, he wouldn't be effected by them if he had no attachment. If Yoda was how you painted him, he'd walk through, completely unbothered. He isn't. He reacts, in a very visceral manner.

As to Yoda's strength. He's strong in the Force, but not all powerful.. He couldn't beat the Emperor. Others did. He didn't discover the ability to retain identity after death. That was Qui-Gon. Yoda's strength comes from his age, which comes with wisdom, added to his race being naturally attuned to the Force, thanks to high midichlorian counts. Yeah, I said it. It's canon.

You're splitting hairs, Vader and Anakin are the same person. Doesn't matter about the dark side. If you did a dna test it's still him.
As far as Yoda we don't see eye to eye on this point so there is no need on going on about it. I heard what you said and I still disagree.

 

[misjuevos]

This one has been debated to death, but that's not how the World Between Worlds works I'm afraid. It's a closed loop. No different versions or timelines. It can't be used to change anything about the sequels. This might not be the appropriate place for that discussion though. If you want, I can DM you.

I will just bring it up in the Ahsoka thread, I think they will use it there. I think that is going to be Feloni's show. I didn't watch rebels when it came out it felt like too young a show. I watched it after the fact. I didn't like the main cast, and art style. The only thing about it I liked was the cameos and more lore and world building. Which is what is happening with this show, this is my attempt to bring it back to The Book of Boba Fett.

 

[henzINNIT]

I am not so sure Dave Filoni is the guy who is coming to 'save the day' and erase the ST. His time on Star Wars has been defined by working within canon and with the blocks he's given. He earned most of his fan cred making TCW off the back of the unpopular prequels. The boldest story choices he's made are normally serving his second most prominent creative habit of bringing back characters. He's not the guy to throw out an entire trilogy and start over. Not at all. Nor do I think Disney would ever allow it, and essentially admit defeat to one segment of their fanbase out of £5billion in ticket sales.

 

[Gothamsknight]

So I should see things from YOUR narrow view? Am I not allowed to have opinions?

Guess what. The sequels sucked. I hate them. HATE HATE HATE them. They completely ruined everything that Star Wars was about. I don't want any future Star Wars story to ever reference them again.

That's my opinion. Deal with it.

You're entitled to your opinion, but just realize people said the same thing about the prequels that you are about the ST back in the day. Actually, the backlash was on an even larger scale for PT than it was for ST. It even made it's way into shows like South Park.

Filoni mads the prequels better for people and made it fit star wars more even more. Rose tinted glasses and revisionist history can cloud people's judgment but it's the truth. There are people today who are growing up with the ST and they love those movies. Filoni fixed the PT and he's gonna do the same for the ST. If you can't accept that, then maybe you shouldn't watch any more Star Wara shows. I guarantee you that people change their tune in a few years.

 

[The Hill]

Who the hell is Jake Skywalker?

 

[MadVillainy]

Well not sure what all the debate is about

But I will say it was smart of them to make this Mando 2.5. Had no interest in a Boba Fett show but I really like the last 2 episodes...Luke is being an ass though. Breaking my heart with giving Rogu the choice

 

[MadVillainy]

It's getting creepy good. In movement and especially talking it's not great. But damn.

No idea who this. Only seen his pictures in other stuff but this was a great character entrance

 

[Gothamsknight]

The Prequels did not destroy anything. They are just movies with bad writing but with a clear cut strong story that knew what they were doing. The Last Jedi nearly destroyed the franchise. Nothing can save The Palpatine Trilogy. Luke Skywalker will never be considered Luke Skywalker in The Palpatine Trilogy & he will always be Jake Skywalker. With all of the success of Star Wars riding on Disney+ (already going through slow growth) it is now easier than over for the fans to make their voices & we make Star Wars a dead franchise again if it becomes 100 % apparent that Jake Skywalker is here to stay. Nothing will fix Jake Skywalker ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. These shows while good enough are not the end all be all & when the time comes WE WILL DITCH THEM AS A FAN BASE



It is now more easier than ever making Star Wars a dead franchise once again. If that is what we gotta do until Jake Skywalker no longer exists so be it

No offense, but your comment comes across as entitled and very corny. Star Wars isn't real, first off. This entire mindset of "We are an army that will overcome Disney!!!" is so laughably over dramatic at this point. Second, there were numerous things in the prequels that didn't line up with the OT, but are now ignored. I swear, if half of these things happened in the ST, you guys would be crapping all over it. Kind of like when people try to crap over the throne room fight in TLJ, which btw nobody complained about until they watched a youtube video. You don't own Star Wars. None of the people who crap on Disney own it. Not Star Wars Theory, not G&G, etc. You don't have to like the ST, but you also won't erase them either. That's the way it is. The prequels got a lot of backlash, and were never erased either. They were expanded upon to make more sense and have things fleshed out.

Jake Skywalker doesn't exist. That is Mark Hamill reprising his role as Luke Skywalker in TLJ playing a compelling, if not entirely cohesive (yet), evolution of the character. It's also the best performance of his career too. Sorry to have to break the news to you.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Disney can certainly do what they want ultimately. But like last time we will make them hurt & bleed if that is what we gotta do. Also that is & never will be Luke Skywalker & not even Mark Hamill would agree with you

"hurt and bleed" lol.

You also took Mark Hamills words out of context too, which I don't think he'd appreciate at all.

 

[Gothamsknight]

& how did I take Marks words out of context ? Yes he said he thought that Rian was the right guy for the job. But he never took back his comments about The Last Jedis Luke NOT BEING HIS LUKE. He only regretted making this thoughts public. But he still thought that that Luke was not Luke at all & not his Luke either

Mark felt uncomfortable with the direction of Lukes character in TLJ, so the Jake Skywalker comment he made was a way for him to get comfortable in his mindset enough to fit the story Rian was trying to tell. He also praised Rian Johnson as well and said he pushed him out of his comfort zone. He had disagreements with Rians evolution of the character because it caught him by surprise how different Luke acted. He did NOT bash Rian though, as some of you claim to say he did. in fact, he praised the movie once seeing it while still admitting he was uncomfortable with where Luke went.

Also, you don't have to keep quote replying to me. You could have easily just done it once.

 

[Gothamsknight]

When did I say he bashed Rian ? Mark had to think of Luke as a completely different character because that is not what he would have done with Luke. Mark NEVER walked this back. He can still praise Rian & disagree with him about Luke (which he did) Mark ultimately came to the conclusion that was not his Luke & NEVER WALKED IT BACK

And he still praised the movie too. My point is that any time somebody brings up the Jake Skywalker comment, they try to make it seem like Hamill was abused by Rian Johnson and force to do a movie he didn't want to do, which isn't what happened at all. He never walked back those comments, that is true, but he also said he felt Rian was right in the end and made a good movie in his eyes. That's the part I'm trying to highlight here.

 

[Gothamsknight]

How did I make it seem like he was abused by Rian Johnson ? He also NEVER TOOK BACK HIS COMMENTS ON JAKE WHICH IS WHAT YOU KEEP IGNORING. It seems like you are being abusive here. Projection much ?

Read my post again and see if I ignored anything at all. I am AWARE that he never walked back his comments. I'm also merely pointing out that Mark also praised the movie too.

And that last part of your message is just immature as hell. With that, I'm just gonna stop replying to you. Learn to not take this stuff so seriously.