Apocalypse Characters in Apocalypse

[guitarsingerguy]

I want to see the Archangel saga played out. There's no reason not to use his original Death. I don't care about the other horsemen, but I want Archangel for death. It wouldn't take that much screen time to cover really. They were originally gonna have some Archangel designs in the X2 lab to show just what an extent Stryker had been experimenting on mutants. I'm glad they didn't go that route, but I'm sure people are gonna get the Wolverine or Gambit version of Death they seem to want. I just think it's a shame because visually it could be amazing.

 

[def28]

Agreed

We need a flying mutant, and his ripping off of wings and visual design would be much more impressive.

Really hope they go with Angel instead of Gambit or Wolverine for Death.

 

[magneto23]

Agreed

We need a flying mutant, and his ripping off of wings and visual design would be much more impressive.

Really hope they go with Angel instead of Gambit or Wolverine for Death.

How could they though? He'd be a kid in the 80's.

 

[def28]

How could they though? He'd be a kid in the 80's.

We were told by the producers to forget X3, Apocalypse could also grab him from another time. I don't see many complaining over the matter if he's here. It's worth any continuity error from past films imo.

They have played the retcon game more then a few times now so there are possibilities, that I hope the film crew is looking at. He's too big a part of this, and it's really were Angel's role in X-Men shines.

 

[Duran Man]

I think the Horseman of Death (and perhaps the other Horsemen) is going to be a character who has been significant enough in the films that the "fall from grace" when being transformed into a Horseman will have emotional impact (like it did when Angel became Archangel). so I think it could be Professor Xavier, Magneto, or Wolverine who will fill that role.

 

[SuperT]

I wouldn't be surprised if the four horsemen ended up being Magneto, Professor X, Mystique and Wolverine. That way it really gives the younger characters a real challenge to go up against.

Could you imagine Beast, Storm, Cyclops, Jean, Nightcrawler, Gambit plus any potential Brotherhood members such as Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and Toad teaming up to take all four of them down? That would be seriously epic.

 

[def28]

I think the Horseman of Death (and perhaps the other Horsemen) is going to be a character who has been significant enough in the films that the "fall from grace" when being transformed into a Horseman will have emotional impact (like it did when Angel became Archangel). so I think it could be Professor Xavier, Magneto, or Wolverine who will fill that role.

Thing is though, for the future of the franchise they gotta set stuff up better. Archangel isn't just a one off Horsemen. He's just as much of a significant character through the decades as Angel is. That lead into even greater stories. Especially with X-Force. I don't see why they can't develop the guy enough to care. New is good.

I completely see your point though, just see this as them shooting themselves in the foot again if they miss this chance. Which could very well be the only Apocalypse film with Horsemen we will get. While I don't need an exact replication of the comics this is a pretty big deal to miss imo.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Yes, this guy is a must:

 

[def28]

Such a ****ing awesome character

 

[Dr. Evil]

Would there be time to develop Archangel and also tell the story of Apocalypse and Storm, Cyclops and Jean Grey?

 

[def28]

Would there be time to develop Archangel and also tell the story of Apocalypse and Storm, Cyclops and Jean Grey?

Probably not as much as one would hope, usually the case with the franchise though. Gambits gonnna get alot of time too with who's playing him.

Honestly I would have preferred they did a movie that builds Apocalypse with Sinister as the lead villain so they can introduce Scott, Jean and other new students properly before this huge villain shows up. Then a big Apocalypse flick after. Deserves more of a two part story. Maybe it will be with that 2018 date.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Probably not as much as one would hope, usually the case with the franchise though. Gambits gonnna get alot of time too with who's playing him.

Honestly I would have preferred they did a movie that builds Apocalypse with Sinister as the lead villain so they can introduce Scott, Jean and other new students properly before this huge villain shows up. Then a big Apocalypse flick after. Deserves more of a two part story. Maybe it will be with that 2018 date.

it's one of the disadvantages of the X-Men being over at Fox. If they had been over at Marvel, there would be a bunch of platforms to introduce and build characters. Look at their recent deals with Netflix. They have 13 hours to build up Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones. That's basically 6.5 movies of each character so that by the time the Defenders miniseries comes around we know all about the four characters (and maybe their friends too).

 

[Duran Man]

I wouldn't be surprised if the four horsemen ended up being Magneto, Professor X, Mystique and Wolverine. That way it really gives the younger characters a real challenge to go up against.

Could you imagine Beast, Storm, Cyclops, Jean, Nightcrawler, Gambit plus any potential Brotherhood members such as Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and Toad teaming up to take all four of them down? That would be seriously epic.

This is what I see happening. I thought Magneto could end up as the Horseman of War and Professor X the Horseman of Death since I think these two as War and Death go well together, but with Wolverine thrown into the mix, I could see the moniker and position of Death going to him.

Thing is though, for the future of the franchise they gotta set stuff up better. Archangel isn't just a one off Horsemen. He's just as much of a significant character through the decades as Angel is. That lead into even greater stories. Especially with X-Force. I don't see why they can't develop the guy enough to care. New is good.

I completely see your point though, but I just see this as them shooting themselves in the foot again if they miss this chance. Which could very well be the only Apocalypse film with Horsemen we will get. While I don't need an exact replication of the comics this is a pretty big deal to miss imo.

I agree that it would be a missed opportunity, but I guess it's a matter of whether they're interested in the character or not. If so, then I'd like to think Angel's becoming Archangel is something they'd want to do, and though I wouldn't be opposed to it, I'm just not sure it'll happen in this film, which is why I hope Apocalypse's appearance in 2016 isn't his only one.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I really doubt the specific horsemen designations will be part of the film.

Although I'm starting to think Rogue would make a great one. Good way to give her flight and strength too.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think the only new characters in this film will be Apocalypse, (potentially) Sinister, & Gambit with re-introductions for young Scott, Jean & Ororo + Prof X, Beast, Magneto & Mystique these characters will need to be developed and story arcs need to be complete for the latter. Their is a possibility that Quicksilver and Wolverine may back come into the fold.

As far as humans are concerned I think a young Sen. Kelly and Henry P Gyrich should make their debut.

For some reason I have this feeling that Magneto, Mystique will be apart of his horsemen along w/Sinister, but the potential to do a "Dark Beast" story line would be great

For Apocalypse, I think they should give the human characters a break, they already had so much input in the previous X-films (Sen. Kelly in X1, Stryker in X2, the government in X3, Styrker in Origins, Moira/government in FC, Shingen, Mariko, Yashida in TW and Trask/government in DOFP). So I hope they let this film be a mutants affair only.

 

[def28]

it's one of the disadvantages of the X-Men being over at Fox. If they had been over at Marvel, there would be a bunch of platforms to introduce and build characters. Look at their recent deals with Netflix. They have 13 hours to build up Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones. That's basically 6.5 movies of each character so that by the time the Defenders miniseries comes around we know all about the four characters (and maybe their friends too).

Yeah, I hope Fox finds a way to take care of that issue if DOFP hits it big. It's really the main thing holding the franchise back right now.

I agree that it would be a missed opportunity, but I guess it's a matter of whether they're interested in the character or not. If so, then I'd like to think Angel's becoming Archangel is something they'd want to do, and though I wouldn't be opposed to it, I'm just not sure it'll happen in this film, which is why I hope Apocalypse's appearance in 2016 isn't his only one.

Likewise.

I'm not too confident in it happening this go round either. But I'd love to be surprised.

 

[psylockolussus]

Fox should have brought like a 360 deal with Marvel. Films rights + rights for a live-action TV series + rights to make/release merchandizes like videogames/toys. I'm pretty sure if Fox had the rights for a live-action TV series, they would have at least filmed a pilot a long time ago.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

We were told by the producers to forget X3, Apocalypse could also grab him from another time. I don't see many complaining over the matter if he's here. It's worth any continuity error from past films imo.

They have played the retcon game more then a few times now so there are possibilities, that I hope the film crew is looking at. He's too big a part of this, and it's really were Angel's role in X-Men shines.

Exactly. As far as I'm concerned, Archangel goes hand in hand with Apoc. It's pretty much the first thing that comes to my mind when I think about the character. Not his link with Cable, not AoA...Archangel.

 

[psylockolussus]

Archangel would be cool, like Gambit/Nightcrawler, this could be his 2nd chance but how are they gonna develop him. Would there be a shock value/impact for the X-Men once Angel became Archangel? I don't know if they can do that in just 1 film especially with the film that will introduce the younger versions of Cyclops, Jean Grey and Storm.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Archangel would be cool, like Gambit/Nightcrawler, this could be his 2nd chance but how are they gonna develop him. Would there be a shock value/impact for the X-Men once Angel became Archangel? I don't know if they can do that in just 1 film especially with the film that will introduce the younger versions of Cyclops, Jean Grey and Storm.

I don't think it needs to be played up like that. It still makes a compelling story even if we aren't all that attached to Angel.

 

[psylockolussus]

How do you give Archangel a compelling story without his strong connection with the X-Men?

 

[guitarsingerguy]

How do you give Archangel a compelling story without his strong connection with the X-Men?

I find the whole premise of turning a mutant into a thoughtless killing machine that's been royally brainwashed by this all powerful mutant compelling in itself. Maybe he can be introduced as a villain, just show the transformation. Maybe even leave it for Apoc 2, but at least introduce Angel back in this film to start building that connection.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Basically, I think he's a much more dire inclusion in this movie than some of the other mutants they're adding. They shouldn't be delving into Apoc without the Angel character. Leave out Gambit and or Nightcrawler if you have to. They're putting unnecessary addition into this film anyway as far as I'm concerned, and I almost never feel that way.

 

[def28]

Leave out Gambit and or Nightcrawler if you have to. They're putting unnecessary addition into this film anyway as far as I'm concerned, and I almost never feel that way.

Bingo. Put in a character who's more compelling to the villain and story being added. Like you said he goes hand in hand here and is almost always the first brought up when Apocalypse is mentioned.

 

[psylockolussus]

In my opinion, save Gambit/nightcawler/Angel in the OT cast film, if thats possible.

Let X-Men Apocalypse focus on the younger version of Cyke/Storm/Jean and the origins of Apocalypse plus Magneto's brotherhood which should feature Toad/Quicksilver, also include the younger version of Sabretooth. And no horsemen yet, just give Apocalypse his alliance of evil (like 3 to 4 mutants to fight with the 80s X-Men/Brotherhood).