Apocalypse Will X-Men Apocalypse Lead to AOA?

[MakeMinesMarvel]

May the best timeline win!

 

[magneto23]

Be honest with yourself... If they did one more crossover style movie with both the OT and the new cast, wouldn't it be hugely sucessful? Won't the GA love to see McKellan and Berry, etc., one last time?

Would only be successful SHORT TERM. It wouldn't be helping the young cast they're developing and building. It would be entirely about giving the OT one last bang. At the expense of the younger cast. This franchise needs LONG TERM success. They have to start working on that now. And that will have nothing to do with the OT. Sorry. I know its upsetting to some, but its the truth. The young cast needs to establish themselves and grow on their own. No more Hugh Jackman front and center and no more "shared" movies.

 

[SuperT]

Would only be successful SHORT TERM. It wouldn't be helping the young cast they're developing and building. It would be entirely about giving the OT one last bang. At the expense of the younger cast. This franchise needs LONG TERM success. They have to start working on that now. And that will have nothing to do with the OT. Sorry. I know its upsetting to some, but its the truth. The young cast needs to establish themselves and grow on their own. No more Hugh Jackman front and center and no more "shared" movies.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Read alot of "no's" in this thread"

 

[Mars123]

Would only be successful SHORT TERM. It wouldn't be helping the young cast they're developing and building. It would be entirely about giving the OT one last bang. At the expense of the younger cast. This franchise needs LONG TERM success. They have to start working on that now. And that will have nothing to do with the OT. Sorry. I know its upsetting to some, but its the truth. The young cast needs to establish themselves and grow on their own. No more Hugh Jackman front and center and no more "shared" movies.

I think having a long term plan is great.

I know I talk about OT but we should really include some of the fc cast also as certain people contracts are coming to an end and particularly JLaw it's unlikely to return.

I really like the idea of the 80s Young versions having a go thatll be awesome.


However some of these issues stem back to fox not really ever having a clear plan, rushing films to meet deadlines with know real thought. I guess the films have been on the short term plan for too long

 

[magneto23]

However some of these issues stem back to fox not really ever having a clear plan, rushing films to meet deadlines with know real thought. I guess the films have been on the short term plan for too long

You have to figure Singer/Kinberg/LSD/tptb@FOX have to at the very least have solid ideas, if not concrete plans, on where this is all going next. IMO, the fact that they just recast six OT characters, for Apocalypse, with young fresh faces indicates that new direction.

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope Apocalypse will tease the return to the future period! Make it happen Fox!

And if we are gonna bring up "long term success", these characters being set in the past and acting just as the past/younger version of the characters we already saw kinda hinders that. If people are thinking the OT cast are too old to keep this franchise alive for the next 10 years, the same thing could be said to the newer cast, because they are basically telling the audience stuff that already happened in the past and those characters we will see in the past will just eventually end up being portrayed by the OT cast in the future. I doubt we'll see Sophie Turner in her 40s playing Jean unless they want to ignore Famke Jannsen's appearance in the previous films or at least her appearance in the new future presented in DOFP.

 

[JEM]

FC VS OT debate will never end ....

This franchise can evolve with differents time period. XA is set in 80's whereas Deapool takes place in present and Wolverine 3 in future.
Young fresh faces will be the priority but if Fox want to use OT cast, they can with cameo or spin off.
So, everyone should be happy no ?

For AOA, i don't think it will happen but i would like a crossover like All New X Men .

 

[psylockolussus]

Young fresh faces will be the priority but if Fox want to use OT cast, they can with cameo or spin off.

If rumours are true, some of them might appear in Apocalypse and Wolverine 3.

 

[magneto23]

And if we are gonna bring up "long term success", these characters being set in the past and acting just as the past/younger version of the characters we already saw kinda hinders that.

Clean slate. New takes on characters. So no "acting just as".

If people are thinking the OT cast are too old to keep this franchise alive for the next 10 years, the same thing could be said to the newer cast, because they are basically telling the audience stuff that already happened in the past and those characters we will see in the past will just eventually end up being portrayed by the OT cast in the future.

Its 40 years of available story until they reach the 2023 mansion scene. 40 years. 40 years of unknown possibilities. No need AT ALL to rush to get there. So an emphatic no to the idea the separate casts are some how on the same clock. The young cast could keep this going for the next 25 years let alone 10 years. For crying out loud, its a group of 20 year olds and they have 40 years of clean slate story to work with.

I doubt we'll see Sophie Turner in her 40s playing Jean unless they want to ignore Famke Jannsen's appearance in the previous films or at least her appearance in the new future presented in DOFP.

I'm sure that issue will be of the utmost importance 20+ years from now.

 

[Mars123]

You have to figure Singer/Kinberg/LSD/tptb@FOX have to at the very least have solid ideas, if not concrete plans, on where this is all going next. IMO, the fact that they just recast six OT characters, for Apocalypse, with young fresh faces indicates that new direction.

I am happy for the young 80s versions to take place for sure and in someways gives the most direction in years.

It's a difficult issue I feel for me to have new takes on old characters.... Technically with DOFP with there reset they can do that. But we have seen the OT in the future, essentially doing the roles we've learnt them to do.... Also the fact that many of us still love the old portrayals and the DOFP was never a full reboot.

It's totally understandable that these debates rumble on.

I think we all agree we want more xmen films and we want them
To be good. (It's the how that differs)

 

[psylockolussus]

Fox had the chance to wipe out the Ot cast in Dofp and just leave the future as a mystery and just continue from 1973 but no. And people were happy to see them in the new future. So there is still interest in the original cast.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fox had the chance to wipe out the Ot cast in Dofp and just leave the future a mystery and just continue from 1973 but no.

That wouldn't have been very respectful to the Original cast to just wipe them away, it was mean't to feel like a possible happy ending

Even the new star trek has respectfully found a way of not wiping away stuff that came before it but at the same time do you think they will kill any of them star trek characters off just because its a new timeline? doubtful

 

[pavlov]

what if the happy ending in DoFP was just logan hallucinating while he was drowning and his mind is actually stuck in the past?

 

[Mars123]

In someways the end scene gave us hope they another OT outING could be possible. Although a it was nice happy ending all at the same time.

 

[psylockolussus]

In someways the end scene gave us hope they another OT outING could be possible. Although a it was nice happy ending all at the same time.

I just think that scene was so well received I just cant see why Fox wont try to milk the original cast some more. I watched the film in cinema for four times and when Famke and James came out there was always a reaction...they are so popular in their respective roles.


Look at what Fast and Furious is doing. They brought back the original cast for the 4th film, brought back faces from the 2nd and 3rd one then introduced new ones for the 4th 5th 6th and 7th like Gal and the Rock and now they are in a winning streak. same thing could be done here, add in Channing, hire a well known and talented actor for the main villain and X5 wouldnt have to worry if JLaw and Michael arent in the picture.

 

[GuestStar2004]

In someways the end scene gave us hope they another OT outING could be possible. Although a it was nice happy ending all at the same time.

i think the thing about it is that it was always possible since 2006 and there was nothing stopping them doing another after X3 anyway, i know common belief is that X3 was so bad and it killed off characters that it made FOX decided to move on not realising people liked the OC but it was actually written to be a final even before its release to fans reaction

but Fox have always done what they wanted to do and i think thats gonna continue so while i think they won't abandon the OC because this franchise doesn't necessarily have to be a choice of black or white i do believe the OC are not as high a priority as some would like to believe

 

[Mars123]

I think for many the idea of another oc outing after x3 seemed too daunting what with many contracts being expired. This wasn't strictly true as many cast returned for cameos, others have expressed a keen interest.

I agree that the scene was well recieved and also feel helped boost box office results. Although it would be lovely, I do conceded that a ot film probably isn't high on there list.

I am Someone who has liked the new films also and excited by any new ensemble xmen film.

I feel like a tortured fan!! Lol

 

[marvelrobbins]

Too many want to count their chickens before they hatch.

X-Men Apocalypse opens 3 weeks after Captain America:Civil war.Alice In wonderland sequel opens same day as Apocalypse and week later TMNT2 opens.

add to this no merchandize for apocalypse.COnsidering fox and disney were able to come to agreement for star wars films on digital platform.Fox owns a new hope and is distributer of other films till 2020 X-Men fans upset over no merchandize can place blame on marvel not disney.

Unlike DOFP it doesn't have any of original cast to help bring people back.I know some want to believe jennifer lawrence is reason domesticly the series went from 146 Million for FC to 233 million for DOFP.

Noone knows how new versions of various characters will be In Apocalypse.I would argue that apart from Magneto the FC/DOFP versions in 1962/1973 are not as good as OT versions.While last stand is my least favorate X-Men film Kelsey Grammer as beast is better and more what i expect from Beast Than Nicholas Hoult's version.

If Hugh Jackman Is telling the truth about playing wolverine only one more time,and for now I will take him at his word,then wolverine film will be last time any OT cast are used.That's hardly a shock because except for jackman with FC cast In FC and DOFP,Rebecca Romijn's cameo in FC,and OT cast in future ending of DOFP everything with them has been erased.Now Patrick Stewart may join Jackman In Wolverine.It remains to be seen if any others will so as of now i can't quite call wolverine another OT film if only 2 members are in It.no gurantee they would bring back Yukio eather.

Fans of OT should appecate the rogue cut of DOFP.

 

[Super Jim]

Look, although I get how many of you feel, that the DoFP Wolvie wake-up scene should have been the very last hurrah for the OT cast, the popularity of that movie likely led to some thoughts of doing it again.

Think about it...

You're Singer or Kinberg, of some Fox Exec., and you find out that this cross-over cast movie DoFP was one of the most successful in the history of the franchise, wouldn't you be thinking "Hmm... is there some way to do this again?".

This is just logical. I know if I was some Fox Exec. I'd be asking the logical questions of why this was so successful, and I believe the logical answer was because it was a cross-over with both known casts. I would absoutely be asking "Can we do it again somehow?".

As I'm sure you all will agree, very often it's all about the $!

The logical response would be focused on how some of the very popular OT cast members, specifically McKellan and Stewart, are at an age where this would not be something that they could wait on. Besides, in the end, as a Fox Exec., you want to see the $, which means you don't want to wait that long.

It makes a lot of sense to use one movie to set up this next (and likely last) cross-over cast movie.

Anyway, beyond all of this annoying logic of mine, this thread debate isn't about whether you want this or not, but moreso about how this rumor of certain OT cast members, if it ends up being true, holds meaning.

Be honest with yourself, they wouldn't have Berry's Storm and McKellan's Magneto in this next X-Men movie for no reason!

And if there is a reason, then it's very, very likely something that affects the future (from the POV of 1983) - meaning sometime likely between 2010 and 2023 - maybe even the "present".

And if the inclusion of these means something and that something affects the future (from the POV of 1983), then it makes sense to look at possible stories that are focused on those who the rumor is about.

So with the rumor being around OT Storm, OT Magneto, and Wolverine (possibly OT), doesn't it make sense to try to come up with a story that is focused around these three? And again, the only story that I can figure out, is an AOA inspired story focused on Wolverine's and Storm's love!

And again, I just want to say for the record, it's not that I necessarily want this to happen. I would much rather see them focus on this new, young cast and have a planned out timeline from one story that leads to the next, that leads to the next, and so on. It's just that this darn logic of mine, when I look at this rumor of McKellan and Berry with Jackman, comes to the conclusion of this AOA inspired story!

 

[GuestStar2004]

the popularity of that movie likely led to some thoughts of doing it again.

you say "likely" but there is nothing to back that up

when I look at this rumor of McKellan and Berry with Jackman, comes to the conclusion of this AOA inspired story!

Until you remember xavier is in wolverine 3 and possible supporting cast member to jackman if what patrick says is true then you go well i guess mckellen,berry and jackman have very little to do with setting up another AOA story then

X-Men apocalypse may be to a certain degree the AOA inspired story

 

[Super Jim]

^ Fine, then it's likely not the next Wolvetine story. Doesn't mean it won't be the super secret next X-Men movie.

Also, Stewart's statement doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be in the entire movie, but we'll see. I do take the term "team-up" to be more than just a cameo...

As far as Fox Execs possibly thinking about trying to pull off another character-crossover story, although there's nothing specific, other than the rumor of Berry and McKellan being in this movie, there is this little thing called logic.

Look, simply put, you can keep arguing against this, and I could too, but all I am asking for, which you continue to fail to do, is provide a known story, other than this AOA inspired one, that focuses on an older Storm, older Magneto and possibly an older Wolverine. In other words, give me another reason to have McKellan's Magneto and Berry's Storm in this Apocalypse movie!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Look, simply put, you can keep arguing against this, and I could too, but all I am asking for, which you continue to fail to do, is provide a known story, other than this AOA inspired one, that focuses on an older Storm, older Magneto and possibly an older Wolverine. In other words, give me another reason to have McKellan's Magneto and Berry's Storm in this Apocalypse movie!

Personally i fail to see the point of berry,mckellen and jackman setting anything up if the next film wolverine 3 with stewart which alone doesn't make much sense

i think these cameos could be anything tbh, although when when its said the only logical step is end scene setting up 2018 movie then thats when the logic loses me since thats not great studio planning and the characters don't add up for that direction to make sense

 

[Super Jim]

So if the cameos of Berry and McKellan could be anything, then please gives us some examples...

 

[GuestStar2004]

Alternative reallity future cameo maybe? I don't know what sorta science they are using in the film so I ain't gonna make anything up but we did see some ship in one of the concept arts, I dunno I don't really wanna take a guess his early