Justice League Ciaran Hinds is Steppenwolf

[Greens]

One wonders if that is because of all the constant whining about "endless battles" after MOS and BVS.

Must explore further.

So the response to complaints about an overwhelming battle is to make an underwhelming one? I think the simpler explanation is that they just didn't pull it off. They failed. Mistakes were made.

 

[Arachnerd]

Basically, they went from one extreme to the other extreme.

It's clear by this point WB just does not understand the foundations of how to make a movie (sans Wonder Woman & imo MOS and BvS) in regards to the DCEU.

 

[Greens]

It's clear by this point WB just does not understand the foundations of how to make a movie (sans Wonder Woman & imo MOS and BvS) in regards to the DCEU.

That is the most embarrassing thing about this universe. Three out of the five movies they've released (BvS TC, SS and JL) couldn't even get the fundamental things right. They felt like weird montages pretending to be movies. Even movies like Jack & Jill at least flow like an actual movie, even if the content is terrible.

Note: I haven't seen Jack & Jill, I'm just using it as an illustration. For all I know its editing is even worse.

 

[TheFuture]

I never really minded those battles, personally. Felt they had the perfect duration.

The League's battle with Steppy at the end was barely six minutes at best.

I got the impression that the battle wasn't going to be too taxing mentally and I guess that was the point. They wanted to serve the audience vanilla intentionally after the helpings of Marmite that came before....though I did enjoy the marmite myself in places.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

He was, though. Look what he does to the Amazons, trained warriors.

He wasn't formidable enough.

And he knew it.

"The End of Worlds" is bluster. Maybe once he was a great ender of worlds...not anymore.

That's why he was sneaking around instead of waging a frontal assault and hiding in remote corners of the world.

I believe in the movie Diana explains that when he first came he tried to enslave the Earth and beat it's heroes before he used the motherboxes. But since his return he's become more pragmatic. He never directly goes after the League or Amazons. All he cares about is getting the boxes.

There's also a little theme with Aquaman about people "forgotten" by society that live in remote desolate areas.

like those people that live in the remote village, that Aquaman gives fish to.

I can get the idea, but I don't think it was well executed. We see the family as the only "civilian eyes" in the movie. And I never really grew to care about them.

 

[The Guard]

I never really minded those battles, personally. Felt they had the perfect duration.

The League's battle with Steppy at the end was barely six minutes at best.

If the internet clips online are to be believed, the Superman VS Zod final battle is like five and a half to six minutes, and people complained about the length of that fight back during MOS. But the JL VS Steppenwolf fight, if it's six minutes, would be right in line with that.

The total main narrative/combat time for the final Trinity/Doomsday fight is about 10:30, not counting the subplot with Lois almost drowning. This includes many shots of Doomsday standing around looking at things or evolving, the actual combat, the military attacking Doomsday, Batman flying to where Doomsday is and figuring out what to do with Alfred. Roughly 2 minutes of it are long, drawn out "Death of Superman" sequences where there's not really combat, but him with Lois, deciding to risk his life, flying to Doomsday, drawn out final moments, etc. I'd wager there's six to eight minutes of actual combat in the BVS fight. That fight got even more "length" complaints (shakes head).

Kind of seems like they found a midpoint of sorts if the JL battle is really six minutes in length.

 

[Arachnerd]

The Russian family was ultimately pointless and added nothing to the film.

 

[GothamBat]

 

[The Shape]

The elephant in the room is fact the the "final battle" was obviously completely reworked and changed from what it was originally supposed to be in more ways than one.

It isn't surprising that an action sequence comprised of bits/pieces from another different and seemingly lengthier action sequence (+ last-minute, rushed shots and CGI) wound up being underwhelming and fundamentally lacking overall.

 

[The Guard]

The elephant in the room is fact the the "final battle" was obviously completely reworked and changed from what it was originally supposed to be in more ways than one.

It isn't surprising that an action sequence comprised of bits/pieces from another different and seemingly lengthier action sequence (+ last-minute, rushed shots and CGI) wound up being underwhelming and fundamentally lacking overall.

Yes, but what did they cut? Some cool posing by Diana, Cyborg and Aquaman?

I wouldn't believe every rumor that is out there at this point.

Studios rarely cut extremely expensive sequences; that'd be a colossal waste of money and then some, especially in an action movie. So either there was more that was originally planned for the battle that wasn't even rendered yet, or they cut minimal elements of it.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

 

[Consona]

I think that's the point of that line. t:

 

[Cobblepot]

Yes, but what did they cut? Some cool posing by Diana, Cyborg and Aquaman?

I wouldn't believe every rumor that is out there at this point.

Studios rarely cut extremely expensive sequences; that'd be a colossal waste of money and then some, especially in an action movie. So either there was more that was originally planned for the battle that wasn't even rendered yet, or they cut minimal elements of it.

Or in this rare case they did cut a few expensive sequences. You know, to get some cheap humor in.

 

[The Guard]

Or in this rare case they did cut a few expensive sequences. You know, to get some cheap humor in.

That makes no sense.

They could have added humor into battle sequences via reshoots, and they already did so, so why in this instance, would they not have? Why would they cut entire expense action sequences just to add humor?

 

[souperman]

...that's fear. Breath it in.

 

[TheFuture]

The Russian family was ultimately pointless and added nothing to the film.

Film by committee stuff. "Fans" asked for this type of throwaway heroism that makes them feel good inside and got it. Shame it was hacked on in such an obvious way that you knew fairly quickly what the family's purpose was.

 

[GothamBat]

Film by committee stuff. "Fans" asked for this type of throwaway heroism that makes them feel good inside and got it. Shame it was hacked on in such an obvious way that you knew fairly quickly what the family's purpose was.

This. Couldn't have put it better. Throwaway heroism. Just like Thor and Cap saving that one civilian falling from the bridge in her car in AOU.

 

[Flint Marko]

Except there it actually felt organic and worked within the story.

The Russian family is a good idea in theory, it was just hastily tacked onto the film.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

After seeing the movie again, I actually think Steppenwolf is set up to be a really good villain in the first hour of the movie. The Amazn encounter is cool a sequel is the tunnel sequence. Then, once the tunnel sequence happens, he is pretty much forgotten about until the finale.

Just another reason the under 2 hours run time was idiotic. Of course then in the finale he wasn pretty much a punching bag.

 

[chintai80]

After seeing the movie again, I actually think Steppenwolf is set up to be a really good villain in the first hour of the movie. The Amazn encounter is cool a sequel is the tunnel sequence. Then, once the tunnel sequence happens, he is pretty much forgotten about until the finale.

Just another reason the under 2 hours run time was idiotic. Of course then in the finale he wasn pretty much a punching bag.

yup. i thought he was cool villian until the 3rd act where he's just that...a punching bag for superman.

but lot of the dceu movies, imo, have had weak final boss battles.
the only one i fully enjoyed was MOS - superman vs zod.
all the other dc movies have better 2nd acts vs 3rd acts.

 

[jfurioso]

The final performance with SW could have been much better. Just do the same, have him overpower the league, and then Superman shows up, and... he begins to beat up Superman, too. So we all go "Oh, s**t!" And THEN we get teamwork. We have Diana stand side by side with Superman, saying: "Together." And that makes the difference. THAT is the Justice League.

 

[chintai80]

The final performance with SW could have been much better. Just do the same, have him overpower the league, and then Superman shows up, and... he begins to beat up Superman, too. So we all go "Oh, s**t!" And THEN we get teamwork. We have Diana stand side by side with Superman, saying: "Together." And that makes the difference. THAT is the Justice League.

yes! exactly something like that is what i wanted to see for the final battle.

superman joining the league gives them a fighting chance or maybe just a slight upper hand.

just like how he struggled with zod or doomsday - there is some dramatic weight and stakes there.

his fight with SW, he's just smiling while pummeling the bastard. where's the tension and excitement in that?

maybe some people liked that but i thought it was weak.

 

[hurley711]

But if the league struggles with SW how are they going to face and defeat Darkseid?

 

[heatvision38]

The elephant in the room is fact the the "final battle" was obviously completely reworked and changed from what it was originally supposed to be in more ways than one.

It isn't surprising that an action sequence comprised of bits/pieces from another different and seemingly lengthier action sequence (+ last-minute, rushed shots and CGI) wound up being underwhelming and fundamentally lacking overall.

All true.

 

[heatvision38]

Yes, but what did they cut? Some cool posing by Diana, Cyborg and Aquaman?

I wouldn't believe every rumor that is out there at this point.

Studios rarely cut extremely expensive sequences; that'd be a colossal waste of money and then some, especially in an action movie. So either there was more that was originally planned for the battle that wasn't even rendered yet, or they cut minimal elements of it.

WSJ reported that KT wanted this film to be under 2 hours. Then we get a movie that is literally 1 minute shy of two hours. You don't think they cut a lot of stuff out of the movie?

Hec, look at BvS, lots was cut out of the TC. You are trying to apply logic to what WB has been doing with the DCEU, but they have been following their own logic.