The Rise of Skywalker Colin Trevorrow No Longer Directing Star Wars Episode IX

[Snow Queen]

Can you be more specific?

But we definitely struggled over how much to allow her to earn her death, and ultimately it wasn't because she was British, it was because she was a bridezilla. She has one line about the bachelor party: 'Oh, all his friends are animals.' In the end, the earned death in these movies has become a bit standard and another thing I wanted to subvert. 'How can we surprise people? Let's have someone die who just doesn't deserve to die at all.

This is the quote to which I'm referring. For a talented writer, he sure doesn't seem to understand what exactly he wrote.

 

[TheVileOne]

I certainly don't think it's the most articulated point or a well-made argument, but that doesn't mean he's talentless either.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I certainly don't think it's the most articulated point or a well-made argument, but that doesn't mean he's talentless either.

You are jumping from, "he's completely devoid of all semblance of talent" to "James Cameron, Christian Bale" and David O. Russell". It is the only way you can construct an argument here, which is why your argument is as big a failure as The Book of Henry.

By the way, that quote proves he doesn't know what he is doing. It is one huge contradiction.

 

[TheVileOne]

You are jumping from, "he's completely devoid of all semblance of talent" to "James Cameron, Christian Bale" and David O. Russell". It is the only way you can construct an argument here, which is why your argument is as big a failure as The Book of Henry.

By the way, that quote proves he doesn't know what he is doing. It is one huge contradiction.

None of that is proof he's talentless. You simply do not like him for some reason.

 

[Doctor Jones]

A year ago I would have been overjoyed about this. But now... I just don't know anymore. If Colin Trevorrow was too edgy and subversive then call me more baffled than when Lord and Miller were let go.

At this point I just don't think Lucasfilm knows what they want. I've criticized them for having safe intentions, but maybe that's just a result of them being afraid of their results from poor decision making. Just get Rian Johnson and call it a day.

It just makes Johnson all the more baffling to me. I'm really curious what TLJ is. How in the hell did team player Trevorrow have creative difference over Rian Johnson? It's just weird that Kennedy was so happy with TLJ. No problems whatsoever from both sides. There was even trouble with Abrams. This is either a great thing or a bad thing. It's just too hard to tell at this point in time. I'm looking forward to it, but skeptical given all this other stuff. Is this the exception or is this a culmination of what they've been trying to hit with the others but couldn't? A great movie that's different when it needs to be but still doesn't go too far. We'll just have to wait and see. This movie is going to be the thing to tell what Disney truly wants out of SW. It's gonna be fascinating to analyze either way.

As much as I've had my problems with these movies, I never expected Lucasfilm to be a mess. Which is surprising given it's Kennedy. You can't make this up.

 

[Iceman]

It's not ideal of course but it'd be a lot more of a mess if they didn't act now.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I don't hate Trevorrow. I like the guy and he's interesting and understands what he wants and can articulate them (like any director should) even though a lot of those things were botched in JW, I appreciated the ideas.

I didn't like JW. It's not a bad or badly made movie, it just had promising ideas that could have been fleshed out more and better executed. But it's a functional movie that delivers on its premise, even if it's surface level. But apparently it was enough to be one of the highest grossing movies of all time, so what the hell do I know? He tapped into something there. I can appreciate that. Basically dragging someone on Twitter doesn't amount to anything if your movie did that. Most people liked it. I haven't seen Safety Not Guaranteed yet which I hear is great, but I wasn't comfortable with him directing this. Mainly because I was afraid he'd make another JW type movie as an ender to a SW trilogy. But now that he of all people was let go... just what the **** is going on over there?

It's weird how all these articles are making the filmmakers out to be the bad and difficult people and Kennedy the one who has to constantly "deal with them being difficult." I didn't like that Vulture article. Talk about someone who writes an article out of dislike for someone while trying to frame it as how Trevorrow got fired. Facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.

Yes, Hollywood is full of egotistical pricks, and one, even two of those directors getting fired by Kennedy for those reasons I can see. Isolated they seem more normal in terms of what can happen in making movies at their given times. Trank at the time, I understood. Edwards at the time stuff happens like that, but still very troubling it was that much for a SW movie. Lord and Miller was just idiotic, and up to this point, this is where things get hairy. Now... on the fourth time. This all leads to this mosaic to show that it's Kennedy. She hires the wrong people. You can hate on Trevorrow all you want, but he didn't hire himself for this.

 

[Sithborg]

Edwards wasn't fired, though. Yes, they brought someone in to help, but Edwards was supportive all the way. I genuinely believe that the stress of two major blockbuster movies back to back was too much for Edwards. Which is why he dropped from Godzilla 2. But, unlike Treverrow and Lord & Miller, Edwards was supportive of LFL's actions.

I don't hate Treverrow either, but I easily believe that he got an ego. I enjoy Jurassic World, but easily acknowledge that it isn't some great masterpiece. The cinematography is fine, but nothing special. If Treverrow was just a body to finish the trilogy, fine. But after Book of Henry, I would be very, very hesitant to give him much control of the story.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Edwards wasn't fired, though. Yes, they brought someone in to help, but Edwards was supportive all the way. I genuinely believe that the stress of two major blockbuster movies back to back was too much for Edwards. Which is why he dropped from Godzilla 2. But, unlike Treverrow and Lord & Miller, Edwards was supportive of LFL's actions.

I don't hate Treverrow either, but I easily believe that he got an ego. I enjoy Jurassic World, but easily acknowledge that it isn't some great masterpiece. The cinematography is fine, but nothing special. If Treverrow was just a body to finish the trilogy, fine. But after Book of Henry, I would be very, very hesitant to give him much control of the story.

That's not the point. Edwards was the wrong choice, otherwise, they wouldn't have spent millions more dollars on major plot and structural reshoots to be taken over by another director, who was paid a huge sum for his services. Edwards lacked creativity and vision.

It's simple. You hire a director to come in on time and on budget or under where they're on the same page as the producers to make a cohesive film. No one sets out to make a bad movie, but when your movies are falling apart before they're even made in a franchise such as this, something is deeply wrong. No one wants a Rogue One situation, even if reshoots and rewrites are normal on movies now. But not to that extent.

Yes. We get it. We don't like Trevorrow. That horse has been beaten to death and his firing only seems to be reaffirming people's dislike of him. Gee, how enlightening. What's not being talked about is how Kennedy is running Lucasfilm leading to Trevorrow's firing. I get this is the Colin Trevorrow thread, but to me, in order to get to the truth of this, things should be less "Colin Trevorrow sucks and this is why he was fired from Star Wars" and more "What the **** is Lucasfilm doing with Star Wars?" And trying to discern and understand their function or lack of it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Edwards wasn't fired, though. Yes, they brought someone in to help, but Edwards was supportive all the way. I genuinely believe that the stress of two major blockbuster movies back to back was too much for Edwards. Which is why he dropped from Godzilla 2. But, unlike Treverrow and Lord & Miller, Edwards was supportive of LFL's actions.

I don't hate Treverrow either, but I easily believe that he got an ego. I enjoy Jurassic World, but easily acknowledge that it isn't some great masterpiece. The cinematography is fine, but nothing special. If Treverrow was just a body to finish the trilogy, fine. But after Book of Henry, I would be very, very hesitant to give him much control of the story.

What major filmmaker or director doesn't have a large ego?

 

[Sithborg]

Well, when you look at what films Kennedy has been involved in, I think her understanding of what makes a good movie is a bit stronger than Treverrow's. I am sad that her grand experiment with up and coming directors doesn't seem to be working out, but she takes her custody of Star Wars damn seriously. And really, it has paid off.

 

[TheVileOne]

If that's the case, then you would think there'd be less issues in the production process with these directors. I mean I think some bumps in the road are to be expected, but now it seems to be happening routinely. Specifically, directors getting fired or replaced.

I think Edwards' issue was lack of experience. He went right from tiny low budget indies to giant budget major Hollywood tentpoles.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well, when you look at what films Kennedy has been involved in, I think her understanding of what makes a good movie is a bit stronger than Treverrow's. I am sad that her grand experiment with up and coming directors doesn't seem to be working out, but she takes her custody of Star Wars damn seriously. And really, it has paid off.

At this point, with all of this stuff coming out, I don't think anyone on the outside can make a firm assessment of what anyone at Lucasfilm wants out of a SW movie anymore. I think this is up in the air until TLJ. Even if the people at Lucasfilm do know, it doesn't look like it and it's not inspiring much confidence in the brand to hire people to execute their vision.

Basically, we shouldn't be sitting around wondering about this for a goddamn SW universe. It goes to show, even if it's SW, it's not immune to showing that a functioning cinematic universe isn't easy execute and that very few people have a handle on, i.e. Marvel.

Remember when people thought Edward Norton recasting was indicative of problems for Marvel? Talk about quaint.

 

[Sithborg]

Honestly, based on his past works, I'm pretty certain the point of contention for the story was Rey. And I'm sure Kennedy did not want him to screw up their new golden goose.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Honestly, based on his past works, I'm pretty certain the point of contention for the story was Rey. And I'm sure Kennedy did not want him to screw up their new golden goose.

I like the idea that she got a folder under her door of all the crap he has done and she was like, "Wait, this guy is sexist. ****."

 

[Iceman]

At this point, with all of this stuff coming out, I don't think anyone on the outside can make a firm assessment of what anyone at Lucasfilm wants out of a SW movie anymore. I think this is up in the air until TLJ. Even if the people at Lucasfilm do know, it doesn't look like it and it's not inspiring much confidence in the brand to hire people to execute their vision.

Basically, we shouldn't be sitting around wondering about this for a goddamn SW universe. It goes to show, even if it's SW, it's not immune to showing that a functioning cinematic universe isn't easy execute and that very few people have a handle on, i.e. Marvel.

Remember when people thought Edward Norton recasting was indicative of problems for Marvel? Talk about quaint.

It's a very difficult thing managing a cinematic universe and noone outside of Marvel has done very well at it so far. The SW universe should be easier IMO to manage than Marvel with such varying characters and concepts. The SW universe makes a lot more sense with better internal consistency, and for now half of the planned films are still just Episode films.

 

[Sithborg]

I like the idea that she got a folder under her door of all the crap he has done and she was like, "Wait, this guy is sexist. ****."

Well, they were clashing over the script. So, I think she got his plans for her in IX and was like, hell no.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, they were clashing over the script. So, I think she got his plans for her in IX and was like, hell no.

Wanted to put her in some heels, have everyone hate her and then have Kylo save her because she is too dumb to breathe.

 

[Iceman]

Or she could save the galaxy in triumphant style and then reveal she was actually a guy (Ray) the whole time, just in disguise to avoid suspicion.

 

[TheVileOne]

Wanted to put her in some heels, have everyone hate her and then have Kylo save her because she is too dumb to breathe.

What's hilarious is the Jurassic World defenders constantly making excuses for the high heels.

Not really sure where this hostility is coming from though.

Seems like Jurassic World was written with a lead female character and now all of you opportunists are calling Trevorrow sexist for some reason. Despite no one calling the character sexist or hating on her at the time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What's hilarious is the Jurassic World defenders constantly making excuses for the high heels.

Not really sure where this hostility is coming from though.

Seems like Jurassic World was written with a lead female character and now all of you opportunists are calling Trevorrow sexist for some reason. Despite no one calling the character sexist or hating on her at the time.

What? I had a ton of arguments over the sexism in JW in the JW thread on this site....

There was this gem (this article also has many links to people having a problem with BDH's character in JW):
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ying-women-lack-desire-to-direct-blockbusters

“I want to believe that a film-maker with both the desire and ability to make a studio blockbuster will be given the opportunity to make their case,” responded the director. “I stress desire because I honestly think that’s a part of the issue. Many of the top female directors in our industry are not interested in doing a piece of studio business for its own sake. These film-makers have clear voices and stories to tell that don’t necessarily involve superheroes or spaceships or dinosaurs.”

Add that to that awful little thing he called a film I watched last night and this love letter to women:

Yeah...

 

[Snow Queen]

Two words: Home Base.

 

[Sithborg]

What's hilarious is the Jurassic World defenders constantly making excuses for the high heels.

Not really sure where this hostility is coming from though.

Seems like Jurassic World was written with a lead female character and now all of you opportunists are calling Trevorrow sexist for some reason. Despite no one calling the character sexist or hating on her at the time.

I do remember it being a bit of a kerfluffle at release. Even Joss Whedon weighed, which is kind of hilarious after how he treated Black Widow in AoU.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Jurassic World sucked so I am not disappointed by this news at all.

 

[TheVileOne]

What? I had a ton of arguments over the sexism in JW in the JW thread on this site....

There was this gem (this article also has many links to people having a problem with BDH's character in JW):
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ying-women-lack-desire-to-direct-blockbusters



Add that to that awful little thing he called a film I watched last night and this love letter to women:

Yeah...

He might be wrong or misinformed, but maybe he was speaking from experience? Let's not forget that Ava DuVernay was offered the job of Black Panther, but she turned it down.

To be perfectly honest, there's nothing salacious about that quote you threw above. Wrong-headed and misinformed maybe, but hardly salacious and a way to target him as "dude is sexist and hates women." I think Trevorrow has made it pretty clear from his views that he's a liberal Democrat voting type.