Conan - Part 1

[nocomics]

So in your mind, every remake is an attempt to "replace the classics"? Do you know that Conan the Barbarian wasn't originated from Arnold's movies?

Anyway, I'm a bit shocked at the low returns in its first weekend. I know Jason Momoa isn't a huge star yet, but neither was Arnold back when he starred in those Conan movies, and Momoa did get some boost from his appearance as Khal Drogo in the Game of Thrones series. I guess a sequel is out of the question, then.

We know, we know....But was there another Conan the Barbarian movie before Arnolds???? Hence thats why its a classic,unless again theres another conan movie before Arnold(not comics,but movie)....

 

[Secret Fawful]

you talk like the previous films were amazing. They weren't. At all.

Well, maaaan, that's just like, your opinion, maaaan.

 

[jonathancrane]

I was half-tempted to attend the matinee today, but found a better investment for my five dollars: a set of (4) z-grade backwoods horror pictures from Walmart. But, what made the decision difficult was the disclaimer from one review (I think it was CNN) that said that Conan's father was turned into a form that resembled a lava lamp. Quite amusing and made me want to see the film on that value alone (and Rose McGowan.) If only Fright Night would do a run at my theater...oh, well...

 

[EliteF50]

Anyone else hate Conan's voice in this movie? Sounds like he's trying to be the movie trailer guy.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Nonsense! - The original Arnie Conan is epic. Conan the Destroyer not so much, but Conan the Barbarian = EPIC. Still one of my favorite movies.

I love it too. Finally picked it up on dvd awhile back.

 

[Morg]

Comic book god Stan Lee has declared war over the new "Conan the Barbarian" movie -- claiming the rights to the character were stolen from him ... and now he's demanding 100% of the proceeds from the flick.

It's a tale of treason ... if you ask Lee ... who claims his company, Stan Lee Media, bought the rights to all things Conan in 2000.

According to a lawsuit filed in federal court in L.A., Lee claims his company went bankrupt in 2001 -- which would have prevented anyone from taking the rights to Conan away from him.

But Lee claims he was betrayed by his former lawyer, who made an illegal deal to move the rights to another company behind Lee's back ... a company that later gave the green light to make the new Conan movie.

Now, Lee wants a judge to rule that he is still the rightful owner of Conan ... and he's demanding every single cent the movie makes.

FYI -- "Conan" grossed $10 mil this weekend.

it's over at TMZ but the link is broken

 

[san15]

This movie turned out to be an EPIC FAIL on all levels.

I wish it did better, but I’m glad the Arnold Conan movies were released on Blu-ray.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Stan,

I love you, but that is the PROBLEM with hollywood these days, don't be part of the problem...it's not like you even remotely invented the character/ story.

I mean at some point, who owns robin hood?

Anyway wasnt that ironed out when DH has been publishing Conan comics and some company puts out the books....DH even got the rights to publish the old marvel stories

EDIT

MORE ON THIS HERE

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/22/stan-lee-media-inc-files-suit-against-conan-the-barbarian/

..seems it's not really stan as much as his ex media company

 

[THANOSRULES]

This movie turned out to be an EPIC FAIL on all levels.

I wish it did better, but I’m glad the Arnold Conan movies were released on Blu-ray.

Destroyer is one of the worst movies ever, I actually prefer Beastmaster I

 

[zanos]

I don't know what kind of complexity or grit you were looking for. A lot of Conan's adventures were about the clash of Opulance with Savagery, so the lush city scapes (and silken maidens) were spot on with the source material.

Most of Howard's stories were'nt that complex..they were pulp adventures, and even the longer tales were fairly simple hack and slash.
But again, the presence of Finery and Opulance was a constant just as much as blood , guts , and dirt.

This is one of the reasons why I stopped reading his conan stories. It seems like they were simply a product of the time.

Personally, I do like the 50's THING over the Carpenter remake....and I think Carpenter's version was great...it's just that I have an affinity for the original.

You see...I believe in the fact that different people have different likes and dislikes. If they dislike a movie I like...no big deal at all. I just don't like the trolls that come in and say they hope a movie fails and the like.

I remember watching that film. You can't be serious.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I guess Stan Lee needs to pay his mortgage or something this month.

If he gets Conan's total gross from it's theatrical run, he'll have almost enough to pay it.

 

[san15]

Destroyer is one of the worst movies ever, I actually prefer Beastmaster I

Well at least in the sequel Conan didn’t travel “Through the Portal of Time”.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Best thing about CTD was Grace Jones' butt

 

[C. Lee]

I remember watching that film. You can't be serious.

When I'm not serious....you will know it. The original THING FROM ANOTHER PLANET is one of my all time favorite movies.

 

[X Knight]

I'm kind of surprised this did so poorly at the BO for it's opening weekend.........

 

[TheVileOne]

How was this movie more faithful to the original stories than the Milius movie? I don't get it.

Also here is my main problem with the movie, there are way too many story similarities to the original AND Scorpion King. It didn't feel like they were making their own movie, it felt like a remake.

Also Nispel is an incompetent director. The way he shoots action is terrible. Some of the same problems with Pathfinder as well which is kind of what made me believe he'd be terrible for this. I thought Pathfinder was a really cool idea and I thought the promotional imagery was fun, like Frazetta artwork. Then I saw the movie and it was awful. Dialogue in the movie was also atrocious.

The Milius movie has some cheesy stuff but it also has some really memorable, quotable dialogue. This one has virtually none.

 

[TX85]

Finally saw this,Would have been so much better IF it was actually true to REH's work and so this was a miss yet again when it comes to that..As a film itself I enjoyed it though!!!

7/10

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I enjoyed it 7/10. It is closer to the books then the Arnold movies but again it is obviously not a direct translation. I was hoping it wold do ok so we get other Conan stories but my guess is that will not be the case.

 

[tecnowraith]

I see some flaws in the Stan claims. How? When was it announced that Stan had any rights to the character? What proof does he have? I thought WB had films rights to Conan until 2007 when it reverted back to Paradox?

 

[C. Lee]

How was this movie more faithful to the original stories than the Milius movie? I don't get it.

The main way was by not having Conan be a slave for around 20 years. Conan was a free man roaming the world, getting into great adventures, and learning all kinds of things....he wasn't strapped to a giant wheel for most of his life and then turned into a chained-up gladiator.

The Mamoa movie was truer to the original stories in it's portrayal of the history of Conan than the Arnold movie was.

 

[GhostPoet]

This movie turned out to be an EPIC FAIL on all levels.

I wish it did better, but I’m glad the Arnold Conan movies were released on Blu-ray.

you can only enjoy the Arnold Conan films if you're drunk and partially passed out.

 

[PunisherPoster]

The Mamoa movie was truer to the original stories in it's portrayal of the history of Conan than the Arnold movie was.

Yes, Momoa's portrayal is closer to the agile warrior- who moved with panther-like speed and ferocity- that was described in the books. He's also more articulate, charismatic, and believable as someone that could one day become a leader of men.

By comparison, Arnold's Conan almost comes across as docile- being easily led into slavery, then kept there for 20 years until his freedom is bestowed upon him. He moves very slow, rarely speaks, and frequently needs others to bail him out of a jam. Even his education and fighting spirit have to be given to him, as opposed to being something he acquires on his own. He is hardly the self-made man of indomitable spirit Robert E. Howard described.

The new film also does a much better job of bringing the fictional Hyborian Age to life. The Milius film makes it look as though everyone lives in the bronze age, lacking the kind of mystical, decaying grandeur of advanced civilizations that Howard wrote about.

 

[regwec]

Arnie-Conan seems to be a study in the natural innocence of the savage. His monstrous strength, his kleptocracy, his bloodthirstiness and his callousness are all things we he has developed as a response to being imprisoned, tortured, and corrupted by callous "civilised" people. The fact he remains an essentially noble beast is probably a result of his formative years in a barbarian community.

All that is quite different to Howard's Conan, but it does convey some of the same themes in a more compact, linear storyline.

 

[Zant]

you can only enjoy the Arnold Conan films if you're drunk and partially passed out.

LoL you speak the truth my friend

 

[regwec]

No, the score of CTB alone makes it worth watching.