Conan - Part 2

[Metallo]

I enjoyed the new Conan. It wasn't perfect but it was solid adventure. I thought Momoa did ok. Lang wasn't given much more to do than be "standard bad guy." Perlman had one of if not the best performances of the movie. Nichols was surprisingly better than I expected but she just screamed way to much. McGowan was hammy but entertaining.

I agree with whoever said the 3D wasn't all that impressive. It really didn't make much of a difference to me.

The film really did LOOK great. Much better than I was expecting. The story is a bit thin but serviceable.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Ive been trolling the REH boards and some of those people are level headed, others are what i call "smart" clueless people.

I disagree with the opinion that Milius CTB was a poor film. It was a legendary film, and the penultimate barbarian movie.

It did, bend and twist some of REH's stories. For shame. It's not like this is not extremely common and almost a rule for any kind of hollywood adapations of books, and in this case mostly serialized pulp stories published in pre-WWII strange fiction magazines.

The author's insinuating that M CTB was some sort of affront that needed to be rectified, is ridiculous.

M CTB was actually very well researched. The tale contains referecnes to many of REH's actual tales, or amalgams of such tales. The art and costume design borrowed heavy from Frazetta and Vallejo.

But where M CTB really excelled was the great artistry and cinematography. Music from Basil P, imagery and well crafted film making.

I just don't see how these REH boarders think. I can see Arnold's conan was not perfect. But it was a great Movie, and despite the differences, not the worst affront to REH.


..Other than that agree with everything the guy said about the new movie.

..Supposedly the script for part 2 is already leaked on those REH boards

I caught 10 mins of CTB on tv the other day and was instantly drawn into the story again. Far superior to the new movie that is out

 

[rogue trooper]

I haven't seen the Milius film recently, but I feel that after watching Jason Momoa superbly play Conan and the world of Hyboria displayed with a much broader stroke in the new film, I won't be seeing the Milius film with the same eyes. The Poledouris score will always be timeless, ofcourse.

 

[rogue trooper]

Came across this cool art by Tim Bradstreet: http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/exclusive-tim-bradstreets-new-art-inspired-by-conan-the-barbarian

 

[rogue trooper]

CTB #1 in Russia(18-21) at the box office: http://boxofficemojo.com/intl/cis/?yr=2011&wk=33&p=.htm

Weekend gross: $5,162,653

Worldwide Total(so far)= $25,068,653

 

[Drz]

It's weird but Box Office hasn't added anything World wide except that Russia weekend box office apparently?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=conan3d.htm

 

[THANOSRULES]

You can count on the Russians to support the Barbarian Genre..

BTW Conan does have a russian connection if you've seen Eisenstein's Alexendar Nevsky....Milius ripped (Homaged) a bunch of imagery from that Russian Epic.

 

[zanos]

My god, this movie is a huge bomb.

 

[rogue trooper]

^ ....yes, it is. There's no denying.

Still, I feel certain this film will find its wider viewership and appreciation once it hits home video, especially with an extended version that fixes some of the editing issues, just like it was with "Legend" and "Dune".

 

[C. Lee]

Unfortuantly most of the GA believes that Conan begins and ends with Ahnold and have no idea of the true origins of the character.

 

[moviedoors]

^ ....yes, it is. There's no denying.

Still, I feel certain this film will find its wider viewership and appreciation once it hits home video, especially with an extended version that fixes some of the editing issues, just like it was with "Legend" and "Dune".

The extended versions fixed Legend and Dune?

 

[C. Lee]

The extended versions fixed Legend and Dune?

It made them better in my opinion.

 

[moviedoors]

It made them better in my opinion.

I agree that Legend was better, but I still have problems with even that version. The extended cut of Dune I find downright unwatchable. It's more incoherent, more talky, more full of hot air. It's makes a movie I didn't think was any good to begin with way, way worse.

 

[C. Lee]

I agree that Legend was better, but I still have problems with even that version. The extended cut of Dune I find downright unwatchable. It's more incoherent, more talky, more full of hot air. It's makes a movie I didn't think was any good to begin with way, way worse.

That's what differences in opinions are all about. I had problems with the original and extended versions of both movies. But personally thought the extensions helped (in some cases just a little) both movies.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I felt the extended DareDevil was a great improvement, but the extended Alexander just made it drag even more.

I always have hopes that extended cuts improve upon the original...but it's up to the individual viewer as whether they think that happens or not.

 

[moviedoors]

I always have hopes that extended cuts improve upon the original.

Me too!

And, no negativity here, don't take this wrong way, but I get the whole opinion thing. I don't need the lesson again.

That doesn't mean I'm not occasionally going to be a wiseass!

 

[rogue trooper]

Unfortuantly most of the GA believes that Conan begins and ends with Ahnold and have no idea of the true origins of the character.

Yep.

 

[moviedoors]

I'm not sure why Conan's literary origin matters though. The novels are more a cult thing now. No one cares about the books, and I object to vaguely blaming people for not seeing it because they aren't cultured enough, or whatever. I mean come on, this is not mainstream material. In the 21st century it's geek and D&D fodder. Poor box office for the new movie just might be because it wasn't an appealing looking movie. I'm fully aware of Conan's origins, but I certainly won't be shelling out money to see this movie in the theater. Doesn't look very good and I've got a whole list of movies to spend my meager earnings on before I line up for a new Marcus Nispel movie. Harping about the books just smacks of excuse making to me.

 

[C. Lee]

Me too!

And, no negativity here, don't take this wrong way, but I get the whole opinion thing. I don't need the lesson again.

That doesn't mean I'm not occasionally going to be a wiseass!

It wasn't meant as a lesson, warning, or anything but a statement.

I'm not sure why Conan's literary origin matters though. The novels are more a cult thing now. No one cares about the books, and I object to vaguely blaming people for not seeing it because they aren't cultured enough, or whatever. I mean come on, this is not mainstream material. In the 21st century it's geek and D&D fodder. Poor box office for the new movie just might be because it wasn't an appealing looking movie. I'm fully aware of Conan's origins, but I certainly won't be shelling out money to see this movie in the theater. Doesn't look very good and I've got a whole list of movies to spend my meager earnings on before I line up for a new Marcus Nispel movie. Harping about the books just smacks of excuse making to me.

Fine, we get it...the literary origins means nothing to you...to others it does.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I'm not sure why Conan's literary origin matters though. The novels are more a cult thing now. No one cares about the books, and I object to vaguely blaming people for not seeing it because they aren't cultured enough, or whatever. I mean come on, this is not mainstream material. In the 21st century it's geek and D&D fodder. Poor box office for the new movie just might be because it wasn't an appealing looking movie. I'm fully aware of Conan's origins, but I certainly won't be shelling out money to see this movie in the theater. Doesn't look very good and I've got a whole list of movies to spend my meager earnings on before I line up for a new Marcus Nispel movie. Harping about the books just smacks of excuse making to me.

Not true, or there would not have been a movie. Conan has not been kept alive and vital since Arnold by movie fans, nor before Arnold. It's the literary Conan fans. You don't like to read and see them as an unreasonable impediment to your enjoyment maybe, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the movies that are ancillary.

 

[rogue trooper]

Not true, or there would not have been a movie. Conan has not been kept alive and vital since Arnold by movie fans, nor before Arnold. It's the literary Conan fans. You don't like to read and see them as an unreasonable impediment to your enjoyment maybe, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the movies that are ancillary.

...including the fans who were intoduced to Conan by Marvel Comics(before the Milius film came out), and a new generation that has made the Dark Horse's Conan titles one of that company's best-selling titles.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Also true. Just got back from watching Conan again, damn that's a cool movie.

 

[regwec]

You recommend it, then? Funnily enough, my girlfriend has been angling to see it, but the crappy press rather blunted my enthusiasm.

 

[rogue trooper]

You recommend it, then? Funnily enough, my girlfriend has been angling to see it, but the crappy press rather blunted my enthusiasm.

Press. Shmressh!

Look, if you enjoyed 300, Machete, Fire and Ice, Solomon Kane, and Clash of The Titans, you should enjoy this film. And I also highly reccomend it if you happen to be fond of Savage Sword of Conan stories.

Let me put it to you this way; if John Milius' Conan The Barbarian is James Whale's Frankenstein, then Marcus Nispel's Conan The Barbarian is Terrence Fisher's The Curse of Frankenstein.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Press. Shmressh!

Look, if you enjoyed 300, Machete, Fire and Ice, Solomon Kane, and Clash of The Titans, you should enjoy this film. And I also highly reccomend it if you happen to be fond of Savage Sword of Conan stories.

Let me put it to you this way; if John Milius' Conan The Barbarian is James Whale's Frankenstein, then Marcus Nispel's Conan The Barbarian is Terrence Fisher's The Curse of Frankenstein.

I dunno, there's a lot of 'ifs' in there :P

 

[rogue trooper]

I dunno, there's a lot of 'ifs' in there :P

Heh! Ok, then. Let me put this in more focus; it has the frenetic energy of 300. It has the gore of Machete and Kill Bill. It has the visual Frazetta sensibility of Fire and Ice. It has the pulpy Lovecraftian-tone of Solomon Kane. And like Clash of The Titans(mind you, I'm not refering to COTT's story, the sfx/cgi gluttony, or the acting), it has sets, and visual backgrounds that are all a visual lush.