The Dark Knight Rises Concerns about TDKR

[The Joker]

Wow you guys realzie that Joker is in Arkham Asylum so what is Bane going to do break everyone out of prision except for the Joker!! I guess he can go to a different city when he gets out.

That wouldn't even have the same impact, because besides the Joker and Scarecrow, Batman has no other villains locked up in Arkham Asylum. Plus they already did a mass Arkham breakout in Begins.

It's why Knightfall just couldn't be adapted this early in Batman's career. Batman can't suffer a defeat like that. No way Nolan is going to:

1. Have Batman crippled in bed for half the movie

or

2. End his trilogy with a broken Batman

 

[Mr. Earle]

I guess I can see Batman Begins' plot being more mystical or even poetic.

Maybe the expression is "it had more heart"?

Yeah! I think maybe Batman Begins had more warmth & optimism, where as The Dark Knight is cynical and ominous.

Well, BB was indeed more sentimental than TDK, but as I said above, I love that each movie is so different and provides us with various merits from the mythos.

I agree with all of the above.

What I'm grateful for is that I have 2, and soon 3, films that look like 3 acts of a story, rather than movie one and its sequel and its 2nd sequel. It doesn't matter which is my favorite or anyone else's.

I dont see the big deal here. Even if it were 3 different stories would it have been so bad?

 

[Gianakin_]

Even if it were 3 different stories would it have been so bad?

I'm not sure we're disagreeing.

 

[Travesty]

Due to Goyer's writing, BB feels more like a conventional blockbuster than TDK to me. The Nolans really shined in TDK, and not just in the story department.

I dunno, I think both movies had problems with the writing. BB had some cheesy lines, but then TDK has some pretty force-fed "themes" throughout the entire movie, while also having some pretty cheesy lines too. People complained about how BB used the word/theme of "fear" a lot, and while I agree that it was distracting, I also rolled my eyes every time they mentioned Harvey as "the white knight", or how he's "the ray of hope". Or how Lucius is so against the radar device(another force fed theme), but had no problem supplying Bruce with a plane to invade Chinese air-space, and capture a Chinese citizen illegally. Yeah, talk about "too much power".

With BB: We get it, it's fear

With TDK: We get it, Harvey is the white knight/ hope for Gotham, and Joker is an "agent of chaos".

 

[TheFuture]

That wouldn't even have the same impact, because besides the Joker and Scarecrow, Batman has no other villains locked up in Arkham Asylum. Plus they already did a mass Arkham breakout in Begins.

It's why Knightfall just couldn't be adapted this early in Batman's career. Batman can't suffer a defeat like that. No way Nolan is going to:

1. Have Batman crippled in bed for half the movie

or

2. End his trilogy with a broken Batman

Agreed, he's going to take 1 or 2 heavy beatings, that should be sufficient in getting across the threat of Bane.

That being said, in your No.1 scenario there, it would give Bale something to sink his teeth into. From what I gathered from his GG acceptance sppech, Bale would love to let loose with the role rather than playing the quiet reserved Bruce Wayne he's been playing thus far.

 

[Gianakin_]

I dunno, I think both movies had problems with the writing.

I'd get into this, but I've seen your opinions on this matter and, though respectable, we disagree fundamentally.

 

[Grayson]

I'm well versed in Batman lore, Bane was introduced during the beginning of the Clone Saga in the Spider-man titles over at Marvel. Knightfall, Knightquest, and KnightsEnd were in the same spirit and tone of the clone saga and other 90's narratives of heroes being replaced. Ben Reilly and Azrael are essentially the same characters, same goes for Bane and Kaine. Bane was born during one of the lowest creative/financial times for comics, his character was nothing more than a way to boost sales during a slow time for DC and Marvel. Bane is nothing more than a retread of other characters, heavily borrowing from Doc Savage.

Oh ok, now I see what you were trying to say.
Before, it seemed like you were saying Bane was a terrible character based off of Batman & Robin.


I see a lot of back-and-forth here with BB and TDK...
It's not very debatable. TDK is, quite simply, the greatest Superhero Film ever.
The ferry scene(s) alone trump every other.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I'm not sure we're disagreeing.

We should be!

 

[thedarks0ldier]

I don't really know enough about this film to have any concerns. The casting and characters are unconventional but that makes the whole ordeal more exciting. I have reason to believe that Anne Hathaway and Tom Hardy are going to blow us all away, because they've never disappointed me before.

My only concern is I hope the movie doesn't disappoint. I doubt it will, but that's really my only concern.

 

[kvz5]

That being said, in your No.1 scenario there, it would give Bale something to sink his teeth into. From what I gathered from his GG acceptance sppech, Bale would love to let loose with the role rather than playing the quiet reserved Bruce Wayne he's been playing thus far.

Yeah, with this being the last of the trilogy and fresh off from an acclaimed performance from The Fighter, I can see (/hope) Nolan giving Bale more material to work with both as Bruce (specially with Selina being involved) and as Batman story-wise

 

[CrypticOne]

I could actually see Batman being broken for half the movie. Its risky, because this method has been used in countless other films, "the hero hurt and out and then makes a dramatic return."

I mean, look at the title. Rises.

I do believe Batman is broken already though. Mentally. Emotionally. The Joker won. He lost.

Maybe what happens next is, Bane comes to Gotham, or is already there, and he and Batman fight. Bane breaks him physically. Bruce has time to reconnect to everything. Comes back. Becomes the hero again.

 

[Gianakin_]

We should be!

Well, then, I hope Batman gets the key of the city in TDKR, it will humanize him even moret:

 

[the gael]

I really think more and more that we may see a "born again" storyline type, with Bane defeating Batman and breaking him. In the end, Batman, who has all lost, returns stronger, with the help of Alfred, maybe leslie thompkins and Catwoman, stop Bane and reclaim what is his.
In the end, Gotham city embraces the fact that, after what Bane need to them, they need Batman (who "rises")
It just reflects the "why do we fall ?" from batman begins...

 

[ALP]

My concern is that Hardy may simply be under-used. Bane is decent but I don't think he's that great. He's certainly a massive fall from Joker.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well, then, I hope Batman gets the key of the city in TDKR, it will humanize him even moret:

Oh you!

 

[RustyCage]

My concern is that Hardy may simply be under-used. Bane is decent but I don't think he's that great. He's certainly a massive fall from Joker.

How is he a massive fall from Joker?

 

[Nightmare]

My concern is that Hardy may simply be under-used. Bane is decent but I don't think he's that great. He's certainly a massive fall from Joker.

In the comics, but Nolan could potentially use Bane in a bigger way. Who knows? Im excited to find out. Bane has lots of potential to be tapped into. He could be a bigger threat to Batman then joker ever was.

 

[Octoberist]

I think Bane will be a different kind of villain, and that's why Nolan sees the potential in him.

That's probably why he skipped over The Riddler, which is trending over familiar territory already. Or even a guy like Black Mask which is another disfigured villain.

 

[raybia]

I have a concern about whether Bale can pull his own among all of the talent. He's not too talented that one.

Hey Bale won the Golden Globe! Nevermind about my concern.

 

[Gianakin_]

Hey Bale won the Golden Globe! Nevermind about my concern.

The GG win is what persuaded you about Bale?

 

[raybia]

My concern is that Hardy may simply be under-used. Bane is decent but I don't think he's that great. He's certainly a massive fall from Joker.

Not if his Bane is like the T-1000 to Arnold's Terminator.

 

[raybia]

Hey Bale won the Golden Globe! Nevermind about my concern.

The GG win is what persuaded you about Bale?

 

[Gianakin_]

No, it's an honest question, not being funny or ironic. You expressed a concern about his talent (or lack of it) and then you took it back because he won the GG. I find that curious.

 

[raybia]

That wouldn't even have the same impact, because besides the Joker and Scarecrow, Batman has no other villains locked up in Arkham Asylum. Plus they already did a mass Arkham breakout in Begins.

It's why Knightfall just couldn't be adapted this early in Batman's career. Batman can't suffer a defeat like that. No way Nolan is going to:

1. Have Batman crippled in bed for half the movie

or

2. End his trilogy with a broken Batman

Plus, this was similar to BB when the inmates of Arkham were released so I'm sure we won't see this.

However we will see Batman suffer a humiliating defeat and he will be broken just not literally.

 

[itsthebatman]

^ Point made.

If Hathaway looks like this in the movie, the Dark Knight won't be the only thing rising during the show.

Two-Face was given a proper redemption as well. Only Joker didn't need one.

As for concerns, it's hard to say whether the differences in locations really means anything. I think it's good that they're trying out new things instead of automatically going back to the same-old same-old. And we're not sure what the pre-production timeline is. Despite all the rumors, I don't think we really know anything.

And for those people concerned about TDKR being Nolan's first hiccup, I've talked to a number of people in real life (not part of any forums whatsoever) who think that Inception was Nolan's ambitious mess and that he's had much better films before, namely TDK and Memento. If that's the case, which is hard to say considering he hasn't made anything else since Inception, then TDKR should be Nolan back to form.

Agreed. I saw it in the cinema and just couldn't get into it (and not confusing, just unengaging). Need to see it again on Blu-Ray (or lowly old DVD).