Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[hippy fascist]

Durok (with the ebony sword he could have won but without it he's boned)
Agatha
Spider (psychological advantage)
T'challa (Vibranium vs Metal Dude...oh my )

 

[hippy fascist]

Results So Far:

Spider is currently beating Captain Britain 4-3
Agatha Harkness is currently beating Black Tom 4-3
Black Panther is currently beating Ironclad 7-0
Durok is currently beating Black Knight 7-0

 

[Darren Daring]

Captain Britain
Agatha Harkness
Black Panther
Durok

 

[primemover]

Black Knight III
Agatha Harkness (she doesn't have to 'kill' him to take him out)
Black Panther (just too sexy)
Captain Britain (durable, strong, fast, righteous, he's fought worse)

 

[Midnight Ice]

Captain Britain
Black Tom
Black Panther
Durok

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Durok

*Agatha Harkness - (Location killed Black Tom. If this was outside Asgard, where there is many more plants, I would have given Black Tom the advantage. But, in reading about Asgard, there just isn't the kind of foilage needed for Tom to win this match.)

*Black Panther

*Captain Britain - (Flight gives him a great advantage in this match. But, it was a hard vote. Great job, guys.)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Durok beats Black Knight 10-1
Agatha Harkness beats Black Tom Cassidy 7-4
Black Panther beats Iron Clad 11-0
Captain Britain beats Spider-Exiles 7-4

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 1,

Match 7:

Caliban (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

vs.

Squirrel Girl (ZOKEN) bio

Match 8:

Gravitron (HARLEKIN) bio

vs.

Power Princess -Exiles (PHAEDRUS45) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 7:

Photon - Genis (KYTRIGGER) bio

vs.

Moon Knight (HELLSTORMER) bio

Match 8:

Metarchus (HELLSTORMER) bio

(No Photo Available)

vs.

Savage Hulk (AHURA MAZDA) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: Genosha (After destruction)

The island is located off the east coast of Africa and boasted a high standard of living, an excellent economy, and freedom from the political and racial turmoil that characterized neighboring nations.

In New X-men #115, the entire island was reduced to rubble and its mutant population was slain by Sentinels ordered by Cassandra Nova. Magneto and Xavier have since then joined forces to rebuild the island nation. A few survivors and newly arriving mutants who wish to help with the rebuilding process remain on the island.

(The island is pretty much wiped out. The main players from the comic, Excalibur, which featured Charles Xavier and Magneto, are not in this land. But, figure there will be survivors around; but, just like in the comic, they will be in hiding.)

 

[Phaedrus45]

(Ahura is away for a couple days, and here is the opening debate he sent to me to post.)

Savage Hulk vs. Metarchus:

The Savage Hulk, referring to the current marvel handbook, starts at class 100 not at 80 tons.

Second with regard his intelligence the current Hulk is as follows and this is a direct quote from Marvel:

Quote:
IH: EOD: There are always discussions on different Hulk incarnations, which version are you using?

GP: Peter David left us with a great version of the Hulk -- he’s intelligent but dangerous, able to make his own choices and deal rationally with the world, but savage enough to make us always wonder just when he’ll lose control in the face of provocation and temptation.

GP is Greg Pak, the current writer of the Planet Hulk comics.

Third before I start, I wanted to refer to certain feats of the Hulk:

Hulk Feats

Ok having gotten that out of the way, let me get to the battle:

Metarchus is a metamorph able to change her form into animals or monsters.

Whatever form she chooses, this willl be a physical battle as she has shown nothing else but the ability to fight physically.

Now with regard to prep time, neither opponent has ever met each other. But I will allow for the possibility that Metarchus has heard of the Hulk, which does not mean she knows every intimate detail about him. Now I will admit, that the Hulk is unlikely to know anything about Metarchus.

In any case, to prepare for this combat Hulk will soak up gamma radiation making himself extremely powerful...actually he already is extremely powerful...lets just say too powerful for Metarchus. To give you an idea of the type of power I am talking, Hulk withstood a nova flame by the Torch and struck down Thing with one blow (breaking his bones).

There is no form that Metarchus can morph into which the Hulk cannot overcome. I am not sure she can even morph into any form capable of hurting the Hulk. She ceratinly has shown no super strength above maybe class 5 She is not known for any subtelty and is used to taking on the most horrid (in appearance) forms that she can think of. She was killed by Drake and Morbius.

The Hulk will go in this battle angry (that is how he was given he just learnned he was being shipped off to another planet) and will do what he does best.

HULK SMASH

 

[Hellstormer]

BRACKET 2,

Match 7:

Photon - Genis (KYTRIGGER) bio

vs.

Moon Knight (HELLSTORMER) bio

Ok as ridiculously IMPOSSIBLE this seems, Moon Knight is my favortie character and I won't lose him in round 2.

First off Moon KNight has some super strength depending on which phase of the moon it is. Second ALL of Genis's power (aside form flight and super strength are derived from light) now light's main weakness is mirrors. Way back during the Marc Spector: Moon Knight run, Marc used a variant of his admantium armor, a highly reflective version used against the Living Laser. As far as info goes MK has Wackos clearence for Avengers file, so does Cap I believe. So thi'll mean he'll wear this version of his armor. He'll also bring weapons. His super strength might match depending on the moon phase (full moon is on the level of the Thing) so the real problem here is Geni's flight and teleportation. His best weapon will be his highly reflective forarm guards used to reflect Geni's blasts back at him (the technique used on Laser).

Winner=Moon Knight

That is my debate, tis all I got. Take it or leave it

-The Ultimate Moon Knight Fan​

 

[Hellstormer]

Match 8:

Metarchus (HELLSTORMER) bio

(No Photo Available)

vs.

Savage Hulk (AHURA MAZDA) bio

Ok this battle is very interesting, Meta has the ability to switch into any monster (or other things) I believe this would include the Hulk. Now the reason this is an advantage is "To some degree, she takes on the physical abilties inherent to a form she adapts. " This would include muscle mass making her stronger and able to hold off on the hulk, she could also switch to something else, such as a banshee and use the scream (caused by the physical vocal cords) to shatter Hulk eardrum. Eventually she could just morph into something like a Kraken and pound on him from the water.

Winner=Hulk

 

[JewishHobbit]

Caliban Vs Squirrel Girl

Caliban is mostly thought of from his X-Force days, when he was plain stupid, but this isn't that Caliban. During the Twelve storyline he became more viscious and not quite as stupid, and he's retained that mindset. Thus, the childish antics S.G. may try against him probably won't work, at least not as well as they would have before. He's not intelligent, but he's not stupid either. He's more niave than anything. He has several powers that he can use and both will come in handy in this match. First off, he can track a mutant and locate them. This means that he won't have much problem finding Squirrel Girl. Now upon finding her it could go several ways. They may get into conversation, but she won't be able to actually beat him by having her squirrels attack him (if any even live in Genosha by this point), and if/when the squirrels do attack Caliban, he'll realize she means harm and he'll probably rip her up, taking her out. If they don't talk and just start fighting, he'll probably rip her up also, same result.

Now he also still has the Pestalance powers and Strength that Apocalypse gave him (I know Civil War doesn't count, but he was using them there so I think we can assume he has them between the Twelve storyline and Civil War, where this version of Caliban is taken. He may have used them in Search for Cyclops of the 198 mini, but I'll have to check). He can make S.G. sick and she'll be ill and easy pray.

Either way, I think it's a safe bet to think that Caliban has this match won. Against Mutants, he's a handy fella'.

Winner - Caliban

 

[Zoken]

Squirrel Girl and Tippy Toe vs. Caliban

Okay, welcome to one tough match. Caliban has the advantage, that is for sure. and it is quite possible that Tippy-Toe will be the only Squirrel around, but Doreen isn't out of the fight. she has numerous tricks up her sleeve. She's bested enemies stronger and smarter than Caliban (no matter what incarnation we're talking about, she's taken out Thanos and Dr. Doom). Her agility and reflexes would keep Caliban's hands off of her if it came down to an all out brawl. And Tippy-Toe, who is not a mutant, and therefore invisible to Caliban's mutant-sense, would more than likely be depossited on him at some point during a physical fight, and able to do some damage to the still sensitive parts of him (eyes, ears, nose, mouth). and worse comes to worse, She can always shoot a nut down his throat and choke him.

 

[Zoken]

Caliban Vs Squirrel Girl

Caliban is mostly thought of from his X-Force days, when he was plain stupid, but this isn't that Caliban. During the Twelve storyline he became more viscious and not quite as stupid, and he's retained that mindset. Thus, the childish antics S.G. may try against him probably won't work, at least not as well as they would have before. He's not intelligent, but he's not stupid either. He's more niave than anything. He has several powers that he can use and both will come in handy in this match. First off, he can track a mutant and locate them. This means that he won't have much problem finding Squirrel Girl. Now upon finding her it could go several ways. They may get into conversation, but she won't be able to actually beat him by having her squirrels attack him (if any even live in Genosha by this point), and if/when the squirrels do attack Caliban, he'll realize she means harm and he'll probably rip her up, taking her out. If they don't talk and just start fighting, he'll probably rip her up also, same result.

Now he also still has the Pestalance powers and Strength that Apocalypse gave him (I know Civil War doesn't count, but he was using them there so I think we can assume he has them between the Twelve storyline and Civil War, where this version of Caliban is taken. He may have used them in Search for Cyclops of the 198 mini, but I'll have to check). He can make S.G. sick and she'll be ill and easy pray.

Either way, I think it's a safe bet to think that Caliban has this match won. Against Mutants, he's a handy fella'.

Winner - Caliban

Rebuttle: I continue to agree this will be difficult, but she won't be easy prey thank you very much.

I do like your idea of talking though, thanks. She may come up to him and engage him in conversation. get him talking about his life and perhaps convince him that it isn't really her that he needs to defeat, but his own demons. She's proven herself cunning and intelligent many times before. I think she might prefer to be kind to Caliban, given his obvious physical advantage. So I think she would simply talk to him, convince him that this tournement isn't worth him falling back into old broken patterns, degrading himself and turning into what he has obviously tried so hard NOT to be: Pestilence. She might even convince him to leave the area.

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Graviton vs Power Princess

Graviton, one of the most powerful characters Marvel has to offer, versus one of the most powerful characters DC has to offer, Wonder Woman. Or Power Princess, whatever. Either way, Graviton is extremely powerful, and has complete and utter control of the gravitational forces, while the Princess has simple super strength, speed, endurance and a pretty damn sturdy shield.

Prep-time advantage in this case goes to no-one, because the Princess' access to the Panoptichron would be limited (after all, the only exile to actually operate the machinery in that place is Heather Hudson, and Power Princess has shown no interest in using the facilities). She might be able to look up some info, but it wouldn't really be comprehensive. Graviton doesn't have any resources that would help him here.

The shield goes first in the match. Graviton will either make it so heavy that Power Princess can't even lift it (as he did with Captain America's shield, which could not be lifted by Wonder Man), or simply exert his powers to throw it into orbit.

Lest we forget, Graviton schooled the Avengers in his first appearance, all the while holding a piece of land in the air. He was only defeated because he, at that time, did not yet know the limits of his powers, and he went too far after thinking his love killed herself. Over the years, he has learned those limits, and was able to add the name of the Thunderbolts to his list of ass-kickings.

Either way, there is literally nothing the Power Princess can do to hurt Graviton:
- Graviton can manipulate the land of Genosha against his opponent, protecting him from her.
- He can increase the gravity upon Power Princess' frame, bringing her to the ground.
- His forcefield has withstood the blows of Thor, so he can take punches from Princess.
- He can manipulate the gravity in such a way that he can blow her away with pure energy.
- Furthermore, he can use his powers to halt her in her tracks and just keep her floating immobile. He has done this to a group of Avengers, regulating his gravity powers in such a fine matter that it would keep them down, but would not kill them.

On the other side, all of these powers can be used offensively as well, and Graviton just needs to keep going until Power Princess is knocked out, which considering the easy manner that he took down both Beast and Wonder Man, should grant Graviton a rather easy win.

WINNER=GRAVITON

 

[kytrigger]

Photon - Genis (KYTRIGGER) bio

vs.

Moon Knight (HELLSTORMER) bio

Okay, so Moon Knight is cool and all, but unfortunately for him, he is just overpowered here, by a lot.

Powers:

Moon Knight is a great fighter. Depending on teh moon phase, he can also have enhanced strength and some healing power.

Photon controld photons, which are literally in everything. He has super-strength, flgith, full cosmic awareness, can teeleport through time and space, and do many more things. He has gone toe-to-toe with King Thor, Sentry, Maestro, and the old super-strong Drax before.


As for prep time, Photon actually takes it. MoonKnight would be able to get some info, but Photont would know every single thing that MK tries due to his cosmic awareness. Hell, he can even go back and look through time to find some weaknesses of Moon Knight. He would know everythign about Moon Knight before this battle started.

As for the battle, Photon could destroy him in a number of ways. He's much stronger and faster than him and could easily knock him out. He could just teleport him somewhere out of the battlefield also. There are so many ways for Photont to win this that it is hard to say one way is definitive.

Winner-Photon

 

[JewishHobbit]

Rebuttle: I continue to agree this will be difficult, but she won't be easy prey thank you very much.

I do like your idea of talking though, thanks. She may come up to him and engage him in conversation. get him talking about his life and perhaps convince him that it isn't really her that he needs to defeat, but his own demons. She's proven herself cunning and intelligent many times before. I think she might prefer to be kind to Caliban, given his obvious physical advantage. So I think she would simply talk to him, convince him that this tournement isn't worth him falling back into old broken patterns, degrading himself and turning into what he has obviously tried so hard NOT to be: Pestilence. She might even convince him to leave the area.

Now what fun would that be?! The thing is, we must all remember that Caliban isn't the dumb X-Force Caliban and that he can reason and such. While I can see SG trying to talk to Caliban, I see Caliban knocking her out without killing her... and then being pleased with himself that he didn't kill her, so he's being good and not like Pestilence, like she said

 

[Zoken]

Oh now I wasn't saying Caliban was his old down-syndrome self, but she has gotten many a villain talking in odd situations: she managed to get a small conversation out of Bi-Beast mid-battle. her different thinking will probably keep him flummoxed enough to listen (Hey, listening to her will confuse anyone, not just the dumb). Also, her agility and enhanced strength mean she won't be an easy one hit K.O. he would have to go all out to stop her.

 

[Hellstormer]

Photon controld photons, which are literally in everything. He has super-strength, flgith, full cosmic awareness, can teeleport through time and space, and do many more things. He has gone toe-to-toe with King Thor, Sentry, Maestro, and the old super-strong Drax before.

Well at his best (which is what Wieg says they're fighting at) Moon Knight can stand toe-to-toe with the Thing (as seen in Marvel Two-In-One IRC or whatever that serious was where the Thing teamed up w/ everyone) And he's considered to be one of the top fighters in the MU. I doubt Captain MArvel has any fighting skills bescause he's used to Just hitting real hard and shooting. As far as photon control is considered. Photons are not in everything, they are the "atom" of what makes up light and photons can be easily absorbed or redirected if it comes into contact with an exact replica (aka what a mirror does) Luckily these are what I'm currently studying in chem.

As for prep time, Photon actually takes it. MoonKnight would be able to get some info, but Photont would know every single thing that MK tries due to his cosmic awareness. Hell, he can even go back and look through time to find some weaknesses of Moon Knight. He would know everythign about Moon Knight before this battle started.

Well since this is before Superemohatemylife Marc from the current series, he'll be able to tap into the Avengers files from his days as a Whacko (West Coast Avenger) And technically Genis couldn't go back in time and find MArc, he could use his cosmic awareness but there still aren't people (including Marc) around for him to observe.

As for the battle, Photon could destroy him in a number of ways. He's much stronger and faster than him and could easily knock him out. He could just teleport him somewhere out of the battlefield also. There are so many ways for Photont to win this that it is hard to say one way is definitive.

Not neccsarily because (although I didn't wanna bring this up) Marc is stronger depending on how much of the moon is visible and how close it is, throughout the year the moon comes closer and farther depending on the season and then of course the phase. Now they never stated how strong he was when the moon is the absolute closest and full, but once he saw a future version of himself living on the moon that was basically a God (Marc Spector Moon Knight 42 I believe) This Moon Knight took down Thor in one punch, but of course that isn't the case here. I'm just gonna say Moon KNight is as strong as the Thing since that's the best describtion in continuity we got.Now as far as the light blasts they would be nulled by his highly reflective armor and the impact from them will be lessened by the admantium armor. As far as an actual hand-to-hand fight Marc's got this, his strength may be quite a bit weaker then Genis (probaly about 5/8's of Genis's) but the fighting ability and his reflective arm guards to reflect the force beams make this an battle that is actually more even then would be thought.

Winner=Moon Knight

-The Ultimate Moon Knight Fan

​

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttal

[/b]Well at his best (which is what Wieg says they're fighting at) Moon Knight can stand toe-to-toe with the Thing (as seen in Marvel Two-In-One IRC or whatever that serious was where the Thing teamed up w/ everyone) And he's considered to be one of the top fighters in the MU.

According to Phaed last round this is at half-moon which makes him at Spider-man's strength level I believe. Much less taht Photon's.

I doubt Captain MArvel has any fighting skills bescause he's used to Just hitting real hard and shooting.

Well, he was a trained Kree elite guard or whatever, so he is actualyl a very good fighter

As far as photon control is considered. Photons are not in everything, they are the "atom" of what makes up light and photons can be easily absorbed or redirected if it comes into contact with an exact replica (aka what a mirror does) Luckily these are what I'm currently studying in chem.

I'm am just sayign that his powers aren't completely based on light alone and that Photons are in everything because that was stated by Radioactive Man in Thunderbolts. he said Photon could manipulate everythign. Does this make sense with regards to photons in science? No, but this is comic book science which is a very weird thing (since they think teleportation and time travel is a part of a photon apparently too since Photn can do this). It's up to the voter's to decide what Photon is possible of.

Well since this is before Superemohatemylife Marc from the current series, he'll be able to tap into the Avengers files from his days as a Whacko (West Coast Avenger) And technically Genis couldn't go back in time and find MArc, he could use his cosmic awareness but there still aren't people (including Marc) around for him to observe.

well he won't be going back in time, but he can sure as hell view it. He doesn't need to be near the person oto see everything they have done, he just concentrates, and would know everything about Moon Knight there is to know, both in the past, present, and future. His cosmic awareness is among the best their is. it is ridiculously powerful.

Not neccsarily because (although I didn't wanna bring this up) Marc is stronger depending on how much of the moon is visible and how close it is, throughout the year the moon comes closer and farther depending on the season and then of course the phase. Now they never stated how strong he was when the moon is the absolute closest and full, but once he saw a future version of himself living on the moon that was basically a God (Marc Spector Moon Knight 42 I believe) This Moon Knight took down Thor in one punch, but of course that isn't the case here. I'm just gonna say Moon KNight is as strong as the Thing since that's the best describtion in continuity we got.Now as far as the light blasts they would be nulled by his highly reflective armor and the impact from them will be lessened by the admantium armor. As far as an actual hand-to-hand fight Marc's got this, his strength may be quite a bit weaker then Genis (probaly about 5/8's of Genis's) but the fighting ability and his reflective arm guards to reflect the force beams make this an battle that is actually more even then would be thought.

*sigh* Okay, I didn't want ot have to resort to this, but Hellstormer has put a a much stronger defense than i thought so I will use some extra abilities Photon has.

He can absorb himslef. He is technicalyl present in all times at once and has shown on several occasions to absorb different versions of himslef and to become MUCH stronger. Here are some examples:
http://img483.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmarvel21127qi.jpg

http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmarvel21165sg.jpg

In this last one he destroyed a Kree, Shi'ar, and Skrull Armada. And while he obviously won't go as big as he was in the last panel, he could easily grow to the size he is in the first one.

He can also "invert Moon Knight's molecules through intraspace". Now I have no idea what the hell that really means, but it would be enough to take him out. And I don't think it has anythign to do with light either.
http://img24.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=65501_bbatroc2.jpg

Genis has also shown a hell of a lot more powers than these as well, but these should be enough, especially since this is during a half-moon.


Winner- Photon

 

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal
*sigh* Okay, I didn't want ot have to resort to this, but Hellstormer has put a a much stronger defense than i thought so I will use some extra abilities Photon has.

He can absorb himslef. He is technicalyl present in all times at once and has shown on several occasions to absorb different versions of himslef and to become MUCH stronger. Here are some examples:
http://img483.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmarvel21127qi.jpg

http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmarvel21165sg.jpg

In this last one he destroyed a Kree, Shi'ar, and Skrull Armada. And while he obviously won't go as big as he was in the last panel, he could easily grow to the size he is in the first one.

To be completely honest their's no evidence of what the circumstances are here or what he's actually doing, and his bio says nothing about this ability

He can also "invert Moon Knight's molecules through intraspace". Now I have no idea what the hell that really means, but it would be enough to take him out. And I don't think it has anythign to do with light either.
http://img24.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=65501_bbatroc2.jpg

Genis has also shown a hell of a lot more powers than these as well, but these should be enough, especially since this is during a half-moon.

I can't see that picture can you get a bigger version? You say he's shown more powers but none of these are listed on his bio.

Winner=Moon Knight

 

[kytrigger]

To be completely honest their's no evidence of what the circumstances are here or what he's actually doing, and his bio says nothing about this ability

I didn't post all the scans because there were about 10 of them. All the scans are form this website though (the Genis respect thread). I don't knowif I can make the pic bigger (it is really big on my screen).

Here's the website: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/366948_1-respect-genis-vell (it's liek 4 or 5 pages, and most of the scans are in teh last couple of pages those are specifically from teh one talking about the kree/skrull/shi'ar armada)

I can't see that picture can you get a bigger version? You say he's shown more powers but none of these are listed on his bio.

well he has shown to have a HUGE assortment of powers over the years, including raising the dead and being an omniversal telepath, and the important thign is that he has never had a "special" upgrade to his powers (like a moonstone) All of his feats are technically just him using his own powers, not an enhancer like the infinity gauntlet or something.

Winner- Photon

 

[Harlekin]

A little note on Photon vs Moon Knight, Genis' powers were changed and weakened when he was revived by Baron Zemo. Now, I don't have the New T-Bolts issues anymore, but if you can find them, I suggest you read through them in order to get an accurate gauge of what his powers are. Summaries of those issues can be found here.