Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Hellstormer]

I didn't post all the scans because there were about 10 of them. All the scans are form this website though (the Genis respect thread). I don't knowif I can make the pic bigger (it is really big on my screen).

I can't see any of the words on my computers.

well he has shown to have a HUGE assortment of powers over the years, including raising the dead and being an omniversal telepath, and the important thign is that he has never had a "special" upgrade to his powers (like a moonstone) All of his feats are technically just him using his own powers, not an enhancer like the infinity gauntlet or something.

Actually he has, he was merged with his nega bands at one point which severly increased his powers.


Now thanks to Harlekin I was able to do a bit of research on the issues, the Photon we're dealing with here is actually FAR WEAKER then the Photon you're talking about. His strength is about class 15 and he can't use some of the powers exampled form the pass. He only has super strength, flight, teleportation and control over various forms of light. This is NOT the Photon that wiped out an entire spaceship armada. So I return to my original debate, Moon KNight has a half moon meaning he's roughly Spidey's level (class 10), this compiled with his reflective admantium armor makes everyone one of his punches strong enough to hurt Genis. Also all of the light blasts will be reflected and weakened by the armor, meaning Marc will only feel a little of the actual force. Marc is easily one of the top fighters. You said that Genis had military training, but that wouldn't make him a master fighter like Marc. In the military he would learn basic hand-to-hand methods, Marc trained for years.

Genis's only advantage is his flight and teleportation, but admantium bullets and long range weapons (including guns) also Moon Knight is based on magic, some of the weapons he has (originally made by Hawkeye) were mystically enchanted by the followers of Khonshu.

Winner=Moon Knight

C'mon, you didn't think I would go down that easy?

 

[Hellstormer]

There is no form that Metarchus can morph into which the Hulk cannot overcome. I am not sure she can even morph into any form capable of hurting the Hulk. She ceratinly has shown no super strength above maybe class 5 She is not known for any subtelty and is used to taking on the most horrid (in appearance) forms that she can think of. She was killed by Drake and Morbius.

Your not looking at this right, this isn't a battle of strength its a battle of wits. If Meta turns into a banshee she would be able to do the supersonic screams since she takes on physical abilities. And she could even turn into the Hulk and have the muscles mass and the strength of him.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Ok this battle is very interesting, Meta has the ability to switch into any monster (or other things) I believe this would include the Hulk. Now the reason this is an advantage is "To some degree, she takes on the physical abilties inherent to a form she adapts. " This would include muscle mass making her stronger and able to hold off on the hulk, she could also switch to something else, such as a banshee and use the scream (caused by the physical vocal cords) to shatter Hulk eardrum. Eventually she could just morph into something like a Kraken and pound on him from the water.

First of all she cannot change into super heroes and take on their abilities. If so she would have turned herself into Ghost Rider or some other hero to defeat the Midnight Sons to which she lost to. She has never ever transformed into any recognisable hero and her claim to be able to transform into any "earth monster" could be her being boastful for all we know.

And even if she could, to some degree means to some degree, not fully, therefore Hulk would kill a weaker version of himself.

And in addition, the Hulk does heal faster then Wolverine so really even if she could cause his eardrums to shatter they would heal and he would be enraged.

Winner=Hulk

Glad we agree

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Edit - Double post Sorry

 

[Phaedrus45]

Gravitron vs. Power Princess:

Power Princess' bio:

Power Princess is superhumanly strong and is considered the third strongest super-being on her Earth, with Hyperion and Redstone being first and second, respectively.

She can fly, although her upper limits are not established. She possesses a great deal of physical resiliance and durability: she is able to withstand repeated blows redirected from Hyperion. She carries a shield made of an undisclosed substance which is extremely durable. She sometimes wears a suit of armour to enhance her natural resiliance.

Plus:

AbilitiesFlight
Invulnerability
Superhuman strength and speed
Does not age
Over 500 years of combat experience


Gravitron's bio:

Hall is able to manipulate gravitons for various uses, including the projection of concussive blasts, formation of force fields and levitation, and has also proven capable of generating gravitational fields in various objects, making them attract any nearby matter (or individuals) not heavy enough or physically strong enough to resist.


The biggest benefit in this match is the fact that Power Princess has access to the Panoptichron, and will thus have access to all information about Gravitron. Gravitron, on the other hand, won't know a thing about Power Princess.

Now, Gravitron is a very difficult person to have to battle; but, if he's going to be defeated, it is going to be someone with the advantage of battle tactics and knowledge, like Power Princess, who will do it. After all, Power Princess has over 500 years of combat experience, and she's battled foes who are much tougher and dangerous than Gravitron, including Proteus. In this battle, "under her guidance and direction, the Exiles came the closest they have ever been to beating Proteus." It is this guidance and direction that will have Power Princess beat Gravitron.

Another advantage is the terrain of Genosha. There are plenty of places that Power Princess can use in this battle. She'll have a complete knowledge of what she'll be going into with the Panoptichron; plus, as readers of Excalibur will know, it's easy to hide and evade an enemy if needed.

Winner = Power Princess

 

[Phaedrus45]

Rebuttal:

Graviton, one of the most powerful characters Marvel has to offer, versus one of the most powerful characters DC has to offer, Wonder Woman. Or Power Princess, whatever. Either way, Graviton is extremely powerful, and has complete and utter control of the gravitational forces, while the Princess has simple super strength, speed, endurance and a pretty damn sturdy shield.

Ah, I see. This is the tactic of trying to belittle a character's true powers and make them seem weak; when in actuality, their powers are much more powerful than someone makes them out to be.

First, "Power Princess is superhumanly strong and is considered the third strongest super-being on her Earth, with Hyperion and Redstone being first and second, respectively." Plus, "She possesses a great deal of physical resiliance and durability: she is able to withstand repeated blows redirected from Hyperion. She carries a shield made of an undisclosed substance which is extremely durable. She sometimes wears a suit of armour to enhance her natural resiliance."

Prep-time advantage in this case goes to no-one, because the Princess' access to the Panoptichron would be limited (after all, the only exile to actually operate the machinery in that place is Heather Hudson, and Power Princess has shown no interest in using the facilities). She might be able to look up some info, but it wouldn't really be comprehensive. Graviton doesn't have any resources that would help him here.

Wrong. Everyone else in the battles with current members of the Exiles has access to the Panoptichron, and Power Princess is a tactician who will use every advantage she has. That includes the Panoptichron. Simply put, this machine is available to those who have access to it, and Power Princess would have access, just as the other Exiles have.

The shield goes first in the match. Graviton will either make it so heavy that Power Princess can't even lift it (as he did with Captain America's shield, which could not be lifted by Wonder Man), or simply exert his powers to throw it into orbit.

This is one of the ways in which the opening debate simply doesn't hold up. Since Power Princess will be aware of who Gravitron is, she'll use the terrain to her advantage. She will not be held back by normal superhero standards of The Avengers, namely not taking a life if needed. She will know to take her time, to strategize her attacks. Plus, Gravitron's powers work best with "matter (or individuals) not heavy enough or physically strong enough to resist." That won't be the case with Power Princess. She is able to withstand repeated blows from Hyperion; Gravitron's powers won't be a problem.

Also, to point out, Gravitron has "come into conflict with a large number of superheroes, who were usually able to defeat him by exploiting his weak psyche." For a master tactician, like Power Princess, she'll know this and use it to her advantage, also. (Or, while Gravitron is floating away from her, she can pick up a nice stone and kill Gravitron by aiming it at the back of his head; thus, eliminating the threat quickly in a way that The Avengers never would have.)

Lest we forget, Graviton schooled the Avengers in his first appearance, all the while holding a piece of land in the air. He was only defeated because he, at that time, did not yet know the limits of his powers, and he went too far after thinking his love killed herself. Over the years, he has learned those limits, and was able to add the name of the Thunderbolts to his list of ass-kickings.

Villians are always really good when they know they are going to attack someone who has no knowledge of who they will be facing or if an attack is coming. That simply isn't the fact with this match. After all, once the Thunderbolts knew who they were up against and were able to regroup after the initial surprise assault, "through a mixture of surprise tactics and negotiation, all of the Thunderbolts managed to fight Hall to a standstill, and Hall sustained fatal injuries as a result." This ability to use various tactics when aware of who you are fighting is what Power Princess brings to the match.

Either way, there is literally nothing the Power Princess can do to hurt Graviton:
- Graviton can manipulate the land of Genosha against his opponent, protecting him from her.

Genosha is quite a large land. First, he has to find her, and second, she isn't brought down that easily.

- He can increase the gravity upon Power Princess' frame, bringing her to the ground.

Those with the power to resist have been able to in the past. Power Princess definitely isn't one of the weak heroes that can be simply brought to the ground.

- His forcefield has withstood the blows of Thor, so he can take punches from Princess.
- He can manipulate the gravity in such a way that he can blow her away with pure energy.
- Furthermore, he can use his powers to halt her in her tracks and just keep her floating immobile. He has done this to a group of Avengers, regulating his gravity powers in such a fine matter that it would keep them down, but would not kill them.

I'll just take this whole group on together. First, Power Princess AGAIN is a master tactician. She will not be attacking him at the first site. Unlike The Avengers, she won't mind going to a killing blow. Plus, she won't be unaware of who she's fighting. Also, if Gravitron is going to be constantly using his powers in this match by flying, using a forcefield around himself, Power Princess simply has to wait 8 hours until his powers start to wane. (If he's not going to have his forcefield constantly up, which I'm sure is what will actually happen, a simply stone upside the back of the head will kill him instantly. It's sad to think a character could be eliminated so quickly; but, Power Princess will go for a quick killing blow if she knows this is what she must do.)

On the other side, all of these powers can be used offensively as well, and Graviton just needs to keep going until Power Princess is knocked out, which considering the easy manner that he took down both Beast and Wonder Man, should grant Graviton a rather easy win.

Again, I will point out Power Princess will be aware of who she's fighting, unlike Gravitron. Also, Power Princess has battle experience over 500 years and won't be taken by surprise, like those initial battles with The Avengers and The Thunderbolts. She's the third strongest person on her Earth, and can even take blows from Hyperion, which speaks volumes to her strength and resilience. Plus, if Gravitron goes into this match as cocky as this opening debate suggests, Power Princess will have it owned.

Winner = Power Princess

 

[kytrigger]

Actually he has, he was merged with his nega bands at one point which severly increased his powers.

true, but he already had the nega-bands anyway. He just absorbed them into himslef so he didn't have to clank them.

Now thanks to Harlekin I was able to do a bit of research on the issues, the Photon we're dealing with here is actually FAR WEAKER then the Photon you're talking about. His strength is about class 15 and he can't use some of the powers exampled form the pass. He only has super strength, flight, teleportation and control over various forms of light.

Actually, you are very wrong. The Photon we are talking about still went toe-to-toe with Sentry, beating him. He has also taken on Hyperion. His normal strength is 15 tons, but he enhances that with his powers to far greater strength, and does this quite often. The molecule thing is also this version of Photon. This version also mind-raped Purple Man. So is the fact that it took Baron Zemo with 2 moonstones (making him INCREDIBLY powerful) to take him down, and even then he couldn't kill him. He needed help. Trust me, this version is plenty powerful.

This is NOT the Photon that wiped out an entire spaceship armada.

just because he hasn't done that feat as teh newer Photon doesn't mean he can't. He still exists in all timeslines (the very reason Zemo had to kill him) and he has obviously done MANY things beyond his normal powers including making a number of timeline jumps. The only reason this version isn't shown to be as powerful is basically because he wasn't really around that long.

So I return to my original debate, Moon KNight has a half moon meaning he's roughly Spidey's level (class 10), this compiled with his reflective admantium armor makes everyone one of his punches strong enough to hurt Genis. Also all of the light blasts will be reflected and weakened by the armor, meaning Marc will only feel a little of the actual force.

I still don't see how it's possible that this mirror armor you talk about is going to stand up to a guy that can physically beat up Sentry. Those mirrors will break in seconds and be completely useless. Also, his punches won't matter, since Photon is ridiculously faster than Moon Knight.

Marc is easily one of the top fighters. You said that Genis had military training, but that wouldn't make him a master fighter like Marc. In the military he would learn basic hand-to-hand methods, Marc trained for years.

yeah, i agree that skill-wise Moon Knight is a better fighter. Unfortuantely power-wise he is severely outclassed. Those skills don't matter if he can't even hurt Photon.

Genis's only advantage is his flight and teleportation,

Also his far greater than 15 ton strength, his ability to open black holes, to mess with Moon Knights mind and molecules, to create distortions in time that he can send MK to. These are all things this version of Photon has been shown to do.

but admantium bullets and long range weapons (including guns) also Moon Knight is based on magic, some of the weapons he has (originally made by Hawkeye) were mystically enchanted by the followers of Khonshu.

adamantium bullets? He uses regular bullets. And his mystical devices are freaking darts. And an ankh that glows when danger is near. The onyl adamntium he uses that I know of isin his costume (which according to you he won't be wearing) and his staff. Of course this is all for nought since Photon creates shields around himslef blocking all of these things.

Photon has grown powerful in every version there has ever been. He has grown beyond his initial description and shown MANY abilities that I have stated (and have all been done by this version) that are talked about on wikipedia. He has taken on Hyperion, and has beaten Sentry. Moon Knight will pose no great threat.


Winner- Photon

 

[Hellstormer]

First of all she cannot change into super heroes and take on their abilities. If so she would have turned herself into Ghost Rider or some other hero to defeat the Midnight Sons to which she lost to. She has never ever transformed into any recognisable hero and her claim to be able to transform into any "earth monster" could be her being boastful for all we know.

It clearly says she takes on the physical abilities of whatever she changes into in her bio.

And even if she could, to some degree means to some degree, not fully, therefore Hulk would kill a weaker version of himself.

The banshee scream would severly weaken and disorient him meaning a few blows from a slightly weaker hulk will take him out in seconds.

And in addition, the Hulk does heal faster then Wolverine so really even if she could cause his eardrums to shatter they would heal and he would be enraged.

Not if its repeated every couple seconds.

As you can see I really don't care about this battle when I'm gonna loose my favorite character to an overgrown blacklight. I know Meta could win very easily and thats all I need.

Winner=Meta

 

[Hellstormer]

Actually, you are very wrong. The Photon we are talking about still went toe-to-toe with Sentry, beating him. He has also taken on Hyperion. His normal strength is 15 tons, but he enhances that with his powers to far greater strength, and does this quite often. The molecule thing is also this version of Photon. This version also mind-raped Purple Man. So is the fact that it took Baron Zemo with 2 moonstones (making him INCREDIBLY powerful) to take him down, and even then he couldn't kill him. He needed help. Trust me, this version is plenty powerful. just because he hasn't done that feat as teh newer Photon doesn't mean he can't. He still exists in all timeslines (the very reason Zemo had to kill him) and he has obviously done MANY things beyond his normal powers including making a number of timeline jumps. The only reason this version isn't shown to be as powerful is basically because he wasn't really around that long.

I personally need proof to validate he can do these things. I can understand him taking on Hyperion and Sentry but those guys don't have the will or determination of Marc and Genis went in knowing it would be a battle. With Marc he'll thinks its a joke.

I still don't see how it's possible that this mirror armor you talk about is going to stand up to a guy that can physically beat up Sentry. Those mirrors will break in seconds and be completely useless.

They're made of unbreakable admantium though. And its basic principles of light. "Photons are the "atoms" of light they are one of the easiest things to redirect or block in nature. The can be redirected when they come into an exact replica of themeselves causing them to repel." That's the EXACT definition in my chem book. That's why his mirrors will work against every light blast and the armor will take the brunt of the concussion force.

Also his far greater than 15 ton strength, his ability to open black holes, to mess with Moon Knights mind and molecules, to create distortions in time that he can send MK to. These are all things this version of Photon has been shown to do. adamantium bullets? He uses regular bullets. And his mystical devices are freaking darts. And an ankh that glows when danger is near. The onyl adamntium he uses that I know of isin his costume (which according to you he won't be wearing) and his staff. Of course this is all for nought since Photon creates shields around himslef blocking all of these things.

In the Marc Spector Moon Knigjht series there's an issue where he had to used admantium piercer rounds to get passed an armored foe. And the admantium armor is the one he put the highly polished mirrors on to defeat Living Laser (sorry for the confusion) the ankh combined with his agility would be almost a trailor park version of a spider sense, making it easier to dodge (or reflect) incoming attacks. (I'm not saying its even close to the level of Spiderman, but its something) Now the Photon that was around right before HIS DEATH showed no evidence of any of these amazing powers you speak of, and his bio just lists the stuffy I already stated (Light control, strength, teleportation, flight)

Photon has grown powerful in every version there has ever been. He has grown beyond his initial description and shown MANY abilities that I have stated (and have all been done by this version) that are talked about on wikipedia. He has taken on Hyperion, and has beaten Sentry. Moon Knight will pose no great threat.[/quote]Which will make Genis a bit cocky and ashamed when he gets slammed down by the Avatar Moongod.

Winner=Moon Knight

 

[kytrigger]

I personally need proof to validate he can do these things. I can understand him taking on Hyperion and Sentry but those guys don't have the will or determination of Marc and Genis went in knowing it would be a battle. With Marc he'll thinks its a joke.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/366948_4-respect-genis-vell This is the last page of that thread. towards the end it has the feats he did in order of his appearances. The feats listed under "Photon" are after he was revived and show him doing these things I have talked about. The pics are big enough on my screen to easily see. If they aren't on yours, I don't know how to make them bigger for you, but they are there.

They're made of unbreakable admantium though. And its basic principles of light. "Photons are the "atoms" of light they are one of the easiest things to redirect or block in nature. The can be redirected when they come into an exact replica of themeselves causing them to repel." That's the EXACT definition in my chem book. That's why his mirrors will work against every light blast and the armor will take the brunt of the concussion force.

Once again, this is not real science. Photon has shown many abilities beyond using just plain light. Whether it's his own powers, or because of the Nega-bands I don't know. The fact is he has still shown multiple powers taht have NOTHING to do with light. Everything from super-strength to teleporting MK to the microverse, to opening spatial rifts in time, to messing with MK's molecules making him go comatose for a few hours, to just mind-raping Moon Knight and making him weep like he did to Purple man. These things have nothing to do with light in any way and have been used by this version of Genis.

In the Marc Spector Moon Knigjht series there's an issue where he had to used admantium piercer rounds to get passed an armored foe. And the admantium armor is the one he put the highly polished mirrors on to defeat Living Laser (sorry for the confusion)

okay, I thought the mirror armor was a totally different armor. And I'll take your word he used adamantium rounds, even though they are extremely hard to get. Not to mention that Moon Knight fights crime to atone for all the people he killed as a merc. Moon Knight doesn't like to kill soI don't really see him just trying to shoot someoen.

the ankh combined with his agility would be almost a trailor park version of a spider sense, making it easier to dodge (or reflect) incoming attacks. (I'm not saying its even close to the level of Spiderman, but its something)

Maybe. i always assumed that if he was in battle, it would always glow, not just when somethign is coming at him. Either way, it's pointelss because Photon is much faster than Moon Knight.

Now the Photon that was around right before HIS DEATH showed no evidence of any of these amazing powers you speak of, and his bio just lists the stuffy I already stated (Light control, strength, teleportation, flight)

What are you talking about? Those things i listed in my last post were all the things this version of Genis has done. I have shown actual links to scans of him doing these things. I think the actual scans are more fact than the wiki bio.

If you continue to use that io though instead of the scans, I will point out that that bio also says photons are in everything and Photon has large reality altering powers as well, taking your whole mirror defense thing completely out of contention.

Which will make Genis a bit cocky and ashamed when he gets slammed down by the Avatar Moongod.

Of course he'll be cocky. he's always cocky. He talked **** to Snetry and the New Avengers while fighting them. Hell, he talked **** to King Thor. The guy's got balls. Him being cocky has never affected his actual battle strategies (of which he is actually a VERY good tactician and uses his abilities in numerous ways) and it won't this time.

Winner- Photon

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Well this sucks, I just wrote a rebuttal and SHH logged me out

It clearly says she takes on the physical abilities of whatever she changes into in her bio.

Lets be clear she has never ever taken on superhuman abilities. She has never done so in the past and could not do it here either. She takes on the physical abilities pf strong creatures such as elephants but she cannot turn into Thor and have Thor's abilities. Nor to a sdemon with a demon's strengths. If she could, would she have not turned into etrigan and defeated the Midnight Sons instead of getting killed by them.

At most she has turned into a demon form with the strength to fight and lose against a Blade or Morbius.

The Hulk would attack her relentlessly at speeds she would not be used to as well as with strength which makes him the most powerful mortal.

The banshee scream would severly weaken and disorient him meaning a few blows from a slightly weaker hulk will take him out in seconds.

She does not gain a banshee scream. She has never done so and she would not here either. Plus the Hulk has a large degree of physical resistance and when that is not sufficient his healing factor is better then Wolverine's.

Not if its repeated every couple seconds.

Again this is a moot discussion as she has no such ability but if she had let me give you an example of a Hulk undfer fire who is getting hurt:

As you can see I really don't care about this battle when I'm gonna loose my favorite character to an overgrown blacklight. I know Meta could win very easily and thats all I need.

You have not lost MoonKnight yet even though that is a difficult match.

However, for you to claim that Metarchus would beat the Hulk seems ludicrous. She can only attack him physically and as such will play to his strengths. The Hulk will obliterate her and there is nothing that you could show that would allow the claim that Meta could win where it is clear she would lose.

Winner=Hulk

 

[Hellstormer]

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/366948_4-respect-genis-vell This is the last page of that thread. towards the end it has the feats he did in order of his appearances. The feats listed under "Photon" are after he was revived and show him doing these things I have talked about. The pics are big enough on my screen to easily see. If they aren't on yours, I don't know how to make them bigger for you, but they are there.

THOSE I can see.

Once again, this is not real science. Photon has shown many abilities beyond using just plain light. Whether it's his own powers, or because of the Nega-bands I don't know. The fact is he has still shown multiple powers taht have NOTHING to do with light. Everything from super-strength to teleporting MK to the microverse, to opening spatial rifts in time, to messing with MK's molecules making him go comatose for a few hours, to just mind-raping Moon Knight and making him weep like he did to Purple man. These things have nothing to do with light in any way and have been used by this version of Genis.

Moon Knight is the avatar of a freaking god. At one point the God was inside him. This MIGHT give him an advatage as far as mental attacks. In the passed he has never been attacked mentally but Khonshu has assisted him in magical attacks so the POSSIBLY could ward off the mind-rape....possibly. Spatial rifts in time are actually stars that have been collasped (i.e. Blackholes) which have to do with light. The science behind this power is probably along the lines of forming a star then super accelortating it and collasping it. Messing with molecules is probaly a form of radiation and the telportation is probaly cause by him switching into light and moving at lightpseed. There all his powers explained with light.

okay, I thought the mirror armor was a totally different armor. And I'll take your word he used adamantium rounds, even though they are extremely hard to get. Not to mention that Moon Knight fights crime to atone for all the people he killed as a merc. Moon Knight doesn't like to kill soI don't really see him just trying to shoot someoen.

You're kidding right? Moon Knight has done more then kill even beore the current arc he beat people to death. And he's a very rich man who can by admantium with no problem.

Maybe. i always assumed that if he was in battle, it would always glow, not just when somethign is coming at him. Either way, it's pointelss because Photon is much faster than Moon Knight.

Even a little warning helps.


Winner=Moon Knight

I'm done I don't think I can do anymore, I gave a damn good debate and I'm proud of it. That's all I need.

 

[Hellstormer]

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/366948_4-respect-genis-vell This is the last page of that thread. towards the end it has the feats he did in order of his appearances. The feats listed under "Photon" are after he was revived and show him doing these things I have talked about. The pics are big enough on my screen to easily see. If they aren't on yours, I don't know how to make them bigger for you, but they are there.

THOSE I can see.

Once again, this is not real science. Photon has shown many abilities beyond using just plain light. Whether it's his own powers, or because of the Nega-bands I don't know. The fact is he has still shown multiple powers taht have NOTHING to do with light. Everything from super-strength to teleporting MK to the microverse, to opening spatial rifts in time, to messing with MK's molecules making him go comatose for a few hours, to just mind-raping Moon Knight and making him weep like he did to Purple man. These things have nothing to do with light in any way and have been used by this version of Genis.

Moon Knight is the avatar of a freaking god. At one point the God was inside him. This MIGHT give him an advatage as far as mental attacks. In the passed he has never been attacked mentally but Khonshu has assisted him in magical attacks so the POSSIBLY could ward off the mind-rape....possibly. Spatial rifts in time are actually stars that have been collasped (i.e. Blackholes) which have to do with light. The science behind this power is probably along the lines of forming a star then super accelortating it and collasping it. Messing with molecules is probaly a form of radiation and the telportation is probaly cause by him switching into light and moving at lightpseed. There all his powers explained with light.

okay, I thought the mirror armor was a totally different armor. And I'll take your word he used adamantium rounds, even though they are extremely hard to get. Not to mention that Moon Knight fights crime to atone for all the people he killed as a merc. Moon Knight doesn't like to kill soI don't really see him just trying to shoot someoen.

You're kidding right? Moon Knight has done more then kill even beore the current arc he beat people to death. And he's a very rich man who can by admantium with no problem.

Maybe. i always assumed that if he was in battle, it would always glow, not just when somethign is coming at him. Either way, it's pointelss because Photon is much faster than Moon Knight.

Even a little warning helps.


Winner=Moon Knight

I'm done I don't think I can do anymore, I gave a damn good debate and I'm proud of it. That's all I need.

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttal

You're kidding right? Moon Knight has done more then kill even beore the current arc he beat people to death. And he's a very rich man who can by admantium with no problem.

Even a little warning helps.

Okay, I honestly don't know that much about Moon Knight and the bio says he dislikes killing since he is trying to make up for his mercenary past. But I believe you sice yo deinfately know him better.

As for the light thing, okay, but even if all his powers are still based on light (which has never been explained) there is no way his armor can defend against a black hole even if it was created by light, I don't care how shiny it is.

Winner=Moon Knight

I'm done I don't think I can do anymore, I gave a damn good debate and I'm proud of it. That's all I need.

You did one hell of a debate. I know I could have never had that good of a debate against Moon Knight and probably nobody else either. I came in expecting a good debate, and you definately gave me one.

Winner- Photon

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Harlekin]

Caliban - Sorry, but Caliban is just stronger, faster and more vicious.
Graviton - I urge everyone to read both biographies (and take a look at this). I wished to rebut, but was too late.
Photon - Nice try though, but even in this form, he's too tough for Moon Knight.
Savage Hulk - Metarchus a little too out of her league.

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Squirrel Girl

*Power Princess

*Photon

*Savage Hulk

 

[Zoken]

Squirrel Girl

Photon

Hulk (Smash!)

Power Princess

 

[wiegeabo]

Caliban
Graviton
Photon (passionate debates on both sides)
Savage Hulk (Good try with Metarchus. Actually made me think when I was just ready to give it over to Hulk)

 

[Midnight Ice]

Caliban
Graviton
Photon
Savage Hulk

 

[kytrigger]

Photon-awesome debate Hellstormer. I doubt anyone could have given a better one
Graviton
Caliban-interesting try with the reasoning with him, but I don't think it would work.
Savage Hulk

 

[JewishHobbit]

Caliban
Power Princess
Photon
Savage Hulk

Great debates on the last three I listed by the way

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Caliban currently beating Squirrel Girl 5-2
Gravitron currently beating Power Princess 4-3
Photon currently beating Moon Knight 7-0
Savage Hulk currently beating Metachus 7-0

 

[hippy fascist]

Savage Hulk: Nearly had me with the "could turn into hulk, but I just can't vote on a single point without evidence to back it up

Squirrel Girl: She got doom talking she can do the same here

Photon: Without the scans I would have gone with moon knight as the early debate was heavy supposition, but looking at the evidence I just can't see MK winning.

Graviton: She's outclassed here, a rarity for someone at her level...

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Caliban - squirrel girl either can beat the living tribunal or she is written as she should be and loses this

Photon - hmm looking forward to the next match up

Hulk

Gravitron