Contest of Marvels II Thread 1

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Iron Man currently beating Helix 8-0
Adam Warlock currently beating Jack Of Hearts 5-3
Mastermind currently tied with Magnus-Exiles 4-4
Sunfire-Exiles currently beating Halloween Jack 7-1

(NOTE: Darren hasn't voted in all the threads. For his votes to ultimately count, he still needs to vote in two other threads.)

 

[Darthphere]

Sunfire
Iron Man
Mastermind
Jack Of Hearts

 

[Zoken]

Sunfire
Iron Man
Jack of Hearts
Mastermind

 

[Iceman]

Sunfire - I doubt HJ has the cunning to become whatever species he needs to be to penetrate Sunfire's wall of heat.
Iron Man - much closer than expected.
Adam Warlock - he could win the whole contest.
Magnus - but NO HELMET!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Iron Man beat Helix 10-0
Adam Warlock tied with Jack Of Hearts 5-5
Mastermind beat Magnus-Exiles 6-4
Sunfire-Exiles beat Halloween Jack 9-1

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 1,

Match 3:

Durok The Demolisher (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Agatha Harkness (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

Match 4:

Caliban (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

vs.

Gravitron (HARLEKIN) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 2,

Match 3:

Black Panther (HARLEKIN) bio

vs.

Captain Britain - Brian Braddock (DARTHPHERE) bio

Match 4:

Photon - Genis (KYTRIGGER) bio

vs.

Savage Hulk (AHURA MAZDA) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

REMATCH:

Jack Of Hearts(PHAEDRUS45) bio



vs.

Adam Warlock(WIEGEABO) bio

 

[wiegeabo]

Final Results:

Iron Man beat Helix 10-0
Adam Warlock tied with Jack Of Hearts 5-5
Mastermind beat Magnus-Exiles 6-4
Sunfire-Exiles beat Halloween Jack 9-1

Sonofa-! I didn't even realize I had put Iron Man in my vote! I wanted Helix!!! AHHHHHHH!!!

Of course, it probably wouldn't have mattered any way.

 

[Darthphere]

Vindication!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Sonofa-! I didn't even realize I had put Iron Man in my vote! I wanted Helix!!! AHHHHHHH!!!

Of course, it probably wouldn't have mattered any way.

I'd be more pissed that Darren didn't vote in the two other threads. Then, you wouldn't have to worry about having a rematch this week.

 

[wiegeabo]

I'd be more pissed that Darren didn't vote in the two other threads. Then, you wouldn't have to worry about having a rematch this week.

AHHH!!! Sonofa-!!!!

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: Limbo

This Limbo is also referred to as Otherplace. It first appeared in X-Men #160. (It has sometimes been erroneously called Otherworld; however, in the Marvel Universe, Otherworld is actually the home dimension of the beings who empower and oversee the Captain Britain Corps, and should not be confused with Other-Earth, homeworld of Kang the Conqueror.) Limbo's physical laws are primarily magical, though laws of the ordinary universe (such as electromagnetism and gravity) normally apply within its bounds.
It has an ecology composed primarily of demons of various sizes, strengths, and intellects. It is said that its ether is much thinner than that of the normal universe, allowing for a greater spectrum of magical powers and effects. All demons within it are magical creatures that possess spell making abilities to a greater or lesser degree.
Although Otherplace has a linear history, time within it is not rigid. Many points in its past and future are connected through naturally occurring temporal rifts, and its present is relative to the individual. Its history can be changed by travel through these rifts, but for some reason this is rare.
Limbo is traditionally ruled by a Supreme Sorcerer, either a demonic native or an entity from another universe, often Earth's. Limbo's appearance and physical laws are highly variable, and determined by the power and personal taste of its ruler. It can take the form of an otherworldly paradise, or a rocky, sulfurous perdition. The demons of Limbo traditionally display an attitude of slavish loyalty to its sovereign, and act as his or her servants. They will even assume forms mandated by the sorcerer if he or she is sufficiently powerful. However, the longer Limbo's ruler spends away from the dimension, the weaker that individual's mystical thrall over it becomes, and the more autonomously the demons begin to act. Left to their own devices they will plot to betray and conquer whomever holds the highest position. They will also attempt to invade other realities if not held in check.
Otherplace generally has a morally and spiritually corrupting influence over its denizens. If human, a resident of the realm will slowly metamorphose into a demonic entity. This change enhances the magical powers of the individual at the cost of their soul. Persons of great moral courage and wisdom can stave off the change for decades, but it is considered inevitable. The transformation usually progresses in stages initiated by the evil acts Limbo demands for survival. Magic in limbo is fundamentally neutral. It is the social and political climate that leads to this process.
The reality of Limbo is generated by a single deposit of a magical metal called promethium. In Limbo it takes the form of a giant animal heart, hidden in a cavern deep below its surface. Removal of the promethium to another dimension will cause Limbo to vanish. The heart of Limbo was once sought by the supervillain Doctor Doom as an inexhaustible energy source for his nation of Latveria.

(The souls and entities in Limbo will not fight or combat the opponents unless made to do so or if they are made to be very upset.)

 

[Ahura Mazda]

BRACKET 1,

Match 3:

Durok The Demolisher (AHURA MAZDA) bio

vs.

Agatha Harkness (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

There is really not that much to say about this battle.

Prep Time:

Agathy will know nothing about Durok and Durok will know nothing about Agatha. The area will also be unknown; at least to Durok.

Here is an example of the power of Durok:

At this point, Durok and Thor had sparred for a while already, and Thor lay unconscious at a water duct when Surfer finally caught up with the two of them. Realizing that Thor was unconscious Surfer mentally commanded his board to hold Durok to a wall while he examined Thor. At first he thought that Thor was dead, but soon enough decided that he kept a "spark of life" that could be made to blossom by means of his Power Cosmic. That he did, and after a brief conversation he decided to deal with Durok and let Thor return to Asgard to deal with Loki.

Fighting Durok, however, proved to be not much easier for the Surfer than it was for Thor. After demolishing the wall which he was tied to, Durok battled Surfer furiously, managing to down him and even destroy his board.

Durok is highly resistant, is super strong (enough to battle Thor) and can shoot concussive blasts out of arms.

Agatha Harkness is as we all know a magic user, but she does have her limits and against Durok she will meet them.

First of all it is clear that if Durok makes physical contact with her, the match is lost given the amount of power we are talking.

Second, this was a creature born of magic and as such is likely to have protection against it.

At the ned of the day, if Durok can resist the magics of Agatha, which is likely given his creation and powers, this match would be a simple matter with a mute creature whose only goal is to destroy.

Winner - Durok

 

[Ahura Mazda]

BRACKET 2,

Match 4:

Photon - Genis (KYTRIGGER) bio

vs.

Savage Hulk (AHURA MAZDA) bio

The Savage Hulk, referring to the current marvel handbook, starts at class 100 not at 80 tons.

Second with regard his intelligence the current Hulk is as follows and this is a direct quote from Marvel:

:
IH: EOD: There are always discussions on different Hulk incarnations, which version are you using?

GP: Peter David left us with a great version of the Hulk -- he’s intelligent but dangerous, able to make his own choices and deal rationally with the world, but savage enough to make us always wonder just when he’ll lose control in the face of provocation and temptation.

GP is Greg Pak, the current writer of the Planet Hulk comics.

Third before I start, I wanted to refer to certain feats of the Hulk:

Hulk Feats

Ok having gotten that out of the way, let me get to the battle:

This is defintely a match between 2 heavyweights. They will know of each other, but the location will be a help to neither.

Both opponents are likely to engage in battle and not tarry. The thing is this Hulk will be raving mad as he has just been shot off into space and his spaceship has just been sucked into a wormhole after breaking up (last panel before Planet Hulk).

His powers will be all hyped up as he will also soak up gamma radiation to the tilt.

Now, one thing to note with this battle is that any physical battle will leave Genis defeated and down. The Hulk could rip him apart without breaking a sweat, based solely on strength.

Now Photon is likely to try and use his blasts to knock out the Hulk but there are none in his arsenal that will allow him to do that. One thing to note is that in the past Genis' father was unable to hurt the Hulk. This current version of the Hulk is even more impervious plus his healing factor has been amped up. The Hulk has survived a nova blast by Johnny Storm with just a few hairs less.

Photon is a heavy hitter but to defeat the Hulk he would have to be at his most powerful and this version is not the insane version that was put down by Baron Zemo.

Winner - Hulk

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Black Panther vs Captain Britain

This is a very interesting match. As I understand it, Captain Britain's powers are mystical in nature, and are tied into the mystical realm of Otherworld. Beyond the doubt that he would still have access to these powers in Limbo (apparently he can't even operate out of the UK anymore without his uniform), the Black Panther will be prepared.

You guys might remember this one from before, but the Panther once beat Mephisto by hampering his connection to Hell, thereby decreasing his power. If this works, the Panther can take the Cap'n out like a baby, since he is a far superior fighter (having bested such characters as Wolverine and Captain America). Of course, there is a chance that this wouldn't work, and the Panther would have to face the Cap'n while the Captain has his full power.

Not a problem.

Through clever use of terrain and his skills, the Panther has taken down the Thing way back in his first appearance, tangled a bit with Namor (BP #29), and has beaten the New Warriors single-handily (including Nova, Speedball and Namorita) in Contest of Champions II. Heck, he even took on the Hulk in BP #15. He was also one of the few Avengers that engaged the Ultrons during the Busiek's Ultron storyline and made it through with only a few scratches.

Considering this guy's suit can take punches from that level of strength, he should be able to take Captain Britain. Black Panther's tech himself would allow him to take apart of Britain's uniform, robbing him of his powers. Either way, the thoroughness of the Panther's preperation, coupled together with his capabilities should make this match a winner for T'Challa.

WINNER=BLACK PANTHER

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS: Graviton vs Caliban

I'm afraid we've got a severe case of the outmatched-ees here. I like Caliban, but his abilities don't stand a chance against Graviton. His tracking ability is useless, since Graviton isn't a mutant, and his physical attributes won't be able to affect Graviton at all, since especially in Limbo, he'll be having up a forcefield up at all times.

Graviton will show no remorse in taking out Caliban quickly, and lest we forget, this is a villain that takes on the Avengers and the Thunderbolts and is able to take them down without so much of a sweat. Caliban is just too outmatched here, sorry.

WINNER=GRAVITON

 

[kytrigger]

Photon - Genis (KYTRIGGER) bio

vs.

Savage Hulk (AHURA MAZDA) bio

Here is an absolutely awesome match-up IMO. We have two definate heavy hitters going up against each other, but only one can win, and that will be Genis.

First off powers:

Genis has super-strength, flight, energy powers, teleportation, and can basically manipulate photons which according to the comics "are in everything" giving him reality warping type powers. He also has cosmic awareness on a huge scale being able to see everything he wants in any place or timeline.

Hulk smashes (we all know his powers)


Okay now for prep time, Genis definately has the advantage. He has fought Hulk befor, and if he chooses can look back on all of Hulk's past fights using his Cosmic Awareness.

Hulk, while having fought Genis before, doesn't really know who he is. He fought him as Marvel I believe and has no idea who "Photon" is. It doesn't really matter anyway since Hulk has the same strategy everytime.

The location isn't an advantage to either as well.

Okay, now on to the fight!

Genis isn't stupid, in fact he's rather crafty with his powers. He knows that going toe-to-toe with Hulk is just a bad idea, so he will make Hulk fight HIS battle. This is what he did to Sentry. This is how he was actaully beating Sentry. Was it a complete victory? no, because the Thunderbolts were just trying to send a message to the New Avengers, not try and kill them, but he was the one winning. He teleported Sentry into the Microverse, shot some energy, diverted his energy blasts, got in a few punches, and then teelported Sentry out of there again, which actually put Sentry down. When Sentry got back up, Photon simply teleported him away again (see below).

If Photon can do this to Snetry, he can do this to Hulk.

Another MAJOR point to this battle is that Photon has shown the abilityto actually siphon off radiation and get rid of it (usually by throwing it in a black hole).

This is HUlk's main problem. Photon can actualyl take away his "unlimited power" by siphoning off his gamma radiation and disposing of it. No gamma radiation= no hulk. If not compeltely turnign him into banner, then it woudl at least severly weaken Hulk to the point where he could easily be knocked out by Photon, and he won't be able to quickly recover, because the entire time Photon will still be siphoning off any radiation.

IF for some reason this doesn't work, Photon will simply teleport Hulk to either the microverse or somewhere else. Photon's got the flight advantage which will let him do these things ata relative safe distance.


There is also one other strategy that Photon could use to actualyl beat the Hulk. With his cosmic awareness, Photon is a omniversal telepath. He made an extremely powerful Purple Man weep by mind-raping him. HE basicalyl showed Purple Man the entirety of the universe that Photon sees and his mind couldn't grasp it. Now, what he could show Hulk is all the good and happiness in the universe. He knows Hulk feeds on anger, but if he actually shows him all teh good things, then Hulk will actualyl be filled with love and all that crap. Not angry hulk=banner, which makes it an easy victory for Photon.


There are several ways for Photon to fight this one and win.

Winner- Photon

 

[hippy fascist]

Agatha Harkness vs Durok The Demolisher



Ok so this is going to be brutal

Durok is an incredibly powerful foe but that's in close combat, agatha will never allow that to happen. She can raise shields easily capable of fending off his concussive blasts while performing the necessary incanatations to cast him off to another dimension. Given that her powers will be augmented by the location this should be easy.

Add to that the fact that agatha can summon demons to do her bidding, meaning she could easily control those in limbo creating a personal militia to at least slow durok down while she gets the spell cast, and there will be little durok can do.

Agatha is a good person and not the kind to kill, she has however sent HER OWN SON to a hell dimension for trying to kill her. This is exactly what she will do when faced with Durok and there's really nothing he can do against this kind of attack. Melee combat would have meant a win for durok but that's just not the kind of combatent agatha is

WINNER: AGATHA HARKNESS!

 

[hippy fascist]

There is really not that much to say about this battle.

Agreed, Durok's gonna get pwned!

Prep Time:

Agathy will know nothing about Durok and Durok will know nothing about Agatha. The area will also be unknown; at least to Durok.

Agreed

Here is an example of the power of Durok:

You also fail to mention that thor beat him later in that arc WITHOUT the aid of Mjolnir. Also these are close quarters fights, agatha won't get into that kind of battle.

Durok is highly resistant, is super strong (enough to battle Thor) and can shoot concussive blasts out of arms.

Durability and strength mean nothing against teleportation to another dimension.

Agatha Harkness is as we all know a magic user, but she does have her limits and against Durok she will meet them.

Which will be siginificantly less limiting due to the augmentation her abilities will recieve as a result of the effects of the location on magic users.

First of all it is clear that if Durok makes physical contact with her, the match is lost given the amount of power we are talking.

It took her seconds to banish her son to that hell dimension. He's just not quick enough to get close enough and through her shields in time.

Second, this was a creature born of magic and as such is likely to have protection against it.

All supposition, there is nothing in the comics or any bio I have read about him having immunity to magic. Also he was originally teleported by loki, that's how he got to earth from asgard. It worked once, it will work again.

At the ned of the day, if Durok can resist the magics of Agatha, which is likely given his creation and powers, this match would be a simple matter with a mute creature whose only goal is to destroy.
Winner - Durok

He was created to be a creature capable of taking down thor, which means kitted out for close combat. He's never been indicated to have magical resistance so to say it's likely is ridiculous. She wil teleport him off to a hell dimension and that will be game over.

WINNER: AGATHA HARKNESS!

 

[kytrigger]

The Savage Hulk, referring to the current marvel handbook, starts at class 100 not at 80 tons.

Second with regard his intelligence the current Hulk is as follows and this is a direct quote from Marvel:



GP is Greg Pak, the current writer of the Planet Hulk comics.

yep...pretty much agree with all of it so far...

Ok having gotten that out of the way, let me get to the battle:

This is defintely a match between 2 heavyweights. They will know of each other, but the location will be a help to neither.

Agree about the location, but I don't think Hulk will recognize Genis. They fought when he was CaptainMarvel, and as Photon he has a completely differnet costume now. You can't even see his face. Although, this is all probably pointelss since Hulk will have the same strategy he always does of punching whether he knows him or not.

Both opponents are likely to engage in battle and not tarry. The thing is this Hulk will be raving mad as he has just been shot off into space and his spaceship has just been sucked into a wormhole after breaking up (last panel before Planet Hulk).

Disagree, Photon knows better than to just go in swinging at Hulk. He'll fight, but not that way. The time they actually fought was even a complete mistake that Marvel happened into.

As for Hulk being Uber pissed, I guess so. Good idea. He will just be oozing with radiation that Photon can take form him leaving him depowered. It doesn't matter how angry Hulk gets, if there is no gamma radiation, then he won't get stronger.

His powers will be all hyped up as he will also soak up gamma radiation to the tilt.

All the more for Photon to suck away... (that sounded really bad)

Now, one thing to note with this battle is that any physical battle will leave Genis defeated and down. The Hulk could rip him apart without breaking a sweat, based solely on strength.

I wouldn't say without breaking a sweat (he did match Sentry physically as well) but you are right that Genis would probaly lose a straight up fist fight with the Hulk. Thankfully, everyone knows this and Photon isn't nearly dumb enough to try that.

Now Photon is likely to try and use his blasts to knock out the Hulk but there are none in his arsenal that will allow him to do that. One thing to note is that in the past Genis' father was unable to hurt the Hulk. This current version of the Hulk is even more impervious plus his healing factor has been amped up. The Hulk has survived a nova blast by Johnny Storm with just a few hairs less.

Well, the father thing doesn't really matter, since Genisis both much stronger than his father, and has completely different powers now as Photon (except for cosmic awareness)

As for his blasts hurting Hulk, they will hurt him plenty when he is ridiculously weak form having all the gamma radiation sucked out of him and made docile with Photon's Cosmic Awareness. And if for some reason those things still don't work, he will just invert all the molecules in Hulk knocking him out or just teleport him to the microverse.

If his blasts can hurt Sentry, they can hurt Hulk.

Photon is a heavy hitter but to defeat the Hulk he would have to be at his most powerful and this version is not the insane version that was put down by Baron Zemo.

The thing about Photon is that most peopel say he isn't as powerful as he was before, but that's not really true. He just has very different powers that he wasn't used to at first but became very good with them later on.

As insane Genis, this would be much more of a slugfest that would be equally awesome to see, but this Genis defiantely has more ways to actually dispose of the Hulk.

Winner- Photon

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Here is an absolutely awesome match-up IMO. We have two definate heavy hitters going up against each other, but only one can win, and that will be Genis.

First off powers:

Genis has super-strength, flight, energy powers, teleportation, and can basically manipulate photons which according to the comics "are in everything" giving him reality warping type powers. He also has cosmic awareness on a huge scale being able to see everything he wants in any place or timeline.

This Photon does not have reality warping powers and I am not so sure about the teleportation either as that was obtainned about the same time. If he is allowed reality warping powers then Wanda should be allowed hers. And nothing there talks about siphoning off radiation from someone. In fact, most of the powers yu state was him at his most extreme and I do not think he is at that level in this contest. I definitely need a ruling on this.

Hulk smashes (we all know his powers)

This Hulk is also intelligent and battle savvy. He does not smash blindly.

Okay now for prep time, Genis definately has the advantage. He has fought Hulk before, and if he chooses can look back on all of Hulk's past fights using his Cosmic Awareness.

Hulk, while having fought Genis before, doesn't really know who he is. He fought him as Marvel I believe and has no idea who "Photon" is. It doesn't really matter anyway since Hulk has the same strategy everytime.

He knows who genis vell is and this is not the stupid Hulk. This Hulk does remember past battles and especially one where he defeated Genis before.

The location isn't an advantage to either as well.

Agreed

Okay, now on to the fight!

Genis isn't stupid, in fact he's rather crafty with his powers. He knows that going toe-to-toe with Hulk is just a bad idea, so he will make Hulk fight HIS battle. This is what he did to Sentry. This is how he was actaully beating Sentry. Was it a complete victory? no, because the Thunderbolts were just trying to send a message to the New Avengers, not try and kill them, but he was the one winning. He teleported Sentry into the Microverse, shot some energy, diverted his energy blasts, got in a few punches, and then teelported Sentry out of there again, which actually put Sentry down. When Sentry got back up, Photon simply teleported him away again (see below).

That is not the whole battle and it is not certain he could just do this to this Hulk. he created a connection to the Sentry to teleport him and he certainly does not just teleport alll his foes away. He certainly could not do anything against Baron Zemo who killed him.

If Photon can do this to Snetry, he can do this to Hulk.

Not necessarily as there were particulars that had to do with that specific combat that allowed Photon to win. It was not clear cut and the Hulk is not the same type of combattant.

Another MAJOR point to this battle is that Photon has shown the abilityto actually siphon off radiation and get rid of it (usually by throwing it in a black hole).

This is HUlk's main problem. Photon can actualyl take away his "unlimited power" by siphoning off his gamma radiation and disposing of it. No gamma radiation= no hulk. If not compeltely turnign him into banner, then it woudl at least severly weaken Hulk to the point where he could easily be knocked out by Photon, and he won't be able to quickly recover, because the entire time Photon will still be siphoning off any radiation.

First off, Photon simply redirected radiation which was in the ether and did not siphon it off an object. Something which he has never done. He created a hole which sucked the radiation out of the air. The Hulk internalises the energy or everyone around him would have died of gamma poisoning.

IF for some reason this doesn't work, Photon will simply teleport Hulk to either the microverse or somewhere else. Photon's got the flight advantage which will let him do these things ata relative safe distance.

Flight advantage is no advantage against the Hulk that can jump miles into the air and has considerable experience fighting fliers. Plus it is not certain he can just simply teleport anyone anywhere at his whim as you seem to indicate. If he could, Zemo would have been teleported away very simply.

There is also one other strategy that Photon could use to actualyl beat the Hulk. With his cosmic awareness, Photon is a omniversal telepath. He made an extremely powerful Purple Man weep by mind-raping him. HE basicalyl showed Purple Man the entirety of the universe that Photon sees and his mind couldn't grasp it. Now, what he could show Hulk is all the good and happiness in the universe. He knows Hulk feeds on anger, but if he actually shows him all teh good things, then Hulk will actualyl be filled with love and all that crap. Not angry hulk=banner, which makes it an easy victory for Photon.

First off, Genis' cosmic awareness is not perfect at this stage and is improving. Secondly, the Hulk is resistant to telepaths and as such really Genis could not harm him. He has resisted Selene, Mentallo and the Ringmaster (whose hat had no effect as he was in a rage).

The Hulk does not take kindly to people entering his mind and generally this causes a backlash to the person who tries. Even Xavier had a hard time with the Hulk because of the multiple personalities, and was not able to maintain his control (as stated in the illumanati). Of course, if he does try he could come across Devil Hulk or even the more scary Guilt Hulk:

There are several ways for Photon to fight this one and win.

There is however only one way this combat would end and that is with the defeat to Genis just as it happenned once before when they met.




Winner- The Hulk[/QUOTE]

 

[Ahura Mazda]

yep...pretty much agree with all of it so far...

Agree about the location, but I don't think Hulk will recognize Genis. They fought when he was CaptainMarvel, and as Photon he has a completely differnet costume now. You can't even see his face. Although, this is all probably pointelss since Hulk will have the same strategy he always does of punching whether he knows him or not.

This is an intelligent Hulk that gets mad very fast and already he is insanely mad at the outset of this battle. He will know Photon as he does have a very good memory and it is not the change of costume that will fool him. And Hulk could also thunderclap Photon into the next dimension.

Disagree, Photon knows better than to just go in swinging at Hulk. He'll fight, but not that way. The time they actually fought was even a complete mistake that Marvel happened into.

The Hulk will come swinging at him and this at a great speed as well as using his thunderclap powers which at the very least will stun him and could even knock him out. He will have no choice as Photon can never get out of range against someone who has jumped into orbit unaided.

As for Hulk being Uber pissed, I guess so. Good idea. He will just be oozing with radiation that Photon can take form him leaving him depowered. It doesn't matter how angry Hulk gets, if there is no gamma radiation, then he won't get stronger.

All the more for Photon to suck away... (that sounded really bad)

As I stated before Genis never siphonned off power from its source that was not emanating it. He can redirect energy but he can not "suck away". The Hulk does shoot energy out and therefore there will be no siphoning. Also note that nowehere does it state that he has the power to siphon off all forms of radiation. And the other thing to note is that the Hulk had enough energy to feed a whole colony of spikes in the planet Hulk series and was weakenned only for a few moments. But of course, that is moot gioven Photon cannot drain the Hulk of his gamma energy.

I wouldn't say without breaking a sweat (he did match Sentry physically as well) but you are right that Genis would probaly lose a straight up fist fight with the Hulk. Thankfully, everyone knows this and Photon isn't nearly dumb enough to try that.

I would not be so sure as Hulk will force a physical battle.

Well, the father thing doesn't really matter, since Genisis both much stronger than his father, and has completely different powers now as Photon (except for cosmic awareness)

As for his blasts hurting Hulk, they will hurt him plenty when he is ridiculously weak form having all the gamma radiation sucked out of him and made docile with Photon's Cosmic Awareness. And if for some reason those things still don't work, he will just invert all the molecules in Hulk knocking him out or just teleport him to the microverse.

If his blasts can hurt Sentry, they can hurt Hulk.

This version of Photon cannot rearrange all the molecules in Hulk's body and plus you are forgetting one major factor. The Hulk's healing factor amped up as it would be would put Wolverine's to shame.

To give you an idea of what i am talking about:

The Hulk healed in a few minutes to full and that was not the insanely angry Hulk that would be fighting this battle. Also to note that hit was enough to knock both vector and ironclad of the u-foes out.

The thing about Photon is that most peopel say he isn't as powerful as he was before, but that's not really true. He just has very different powers that he wasn't used to at first but became very good with them later on.

As insane Genis, this would be much more of a slugfest that would be equally awesome to see, but this Genis defiantely has more ways to actually dispose of the Hulk.

Genis lost before and would lose again against the awesome might of the Hulk. Nothing genis can do will put him out of the fight. And Genis' was getting betterw but was not yet at his peak I believe when this battle would occur and even at his peak the Hulk would overcome him using all of his battle savvy and weapons at his disposal (his strength and thunderclap) plus given his physical resistance (he has survived nuclear blasts, a nova blast, and re-entry into the atmosphere - all in the Hulk feats page) and healing factor the Hulk becomes one of the heaviest hitters In Marvel. He is not the most powerful mortal (Stan's words not mine) for nothing.

Winner- The Hulk

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Agatha Harkness vs Durok The Demolisher - Rebuttal

Ok so this is going to be brutal

At least it will be over quickly as Agatha should not suffer too much once she is put down.

Durok is an incredibly powerful foe but that's in close combat, agatha will never allow that to happen. She can raise shields easily capable of fending off his concussive blasts while performing the necessary incanatations to cast him off to another dimension. Given that her powers will be augmented by the location this should be easy.

I am assuming you are basing it unpon this peice of information:

If human, a resident of the realm will slowly metamorphose into a demonic entity. This change enhances the magical powers of the individual at the cost of their soul.

Agatha would not riske her soul so she will be wary and therefore it may be that she will not even use the extent of her powers given that if she does she will lose her soul.

Add to that the fact that agatha can summon demons to do her bidding, meaning she could easily control those in limbo creating a personal militia to at least slow durok down while she gets the spell cast, and there will be little durok can do.

Agatha is a good person and not the kind to kill, she has however sent HER OWN SON to a hell dimension for trying to kill her. This is exactly what she will do when faced with Durok and there's really nothing he can do against this kind of attack. Melee combat would have meant a win for durok but that's just not the kind of combatent agatha is

Durok has the speed of an Asgardian plus the physical resistance to be left unharmed by Agatha's attacks. Plus Agatha will not expect energy blasts from this creature who she will think of a brute. These blasts were enough to put down the Surfer for a short while, even with his speed. Agatha will also falter against such a creature.

WINNER: DUROK

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Agreed, Durok's gonna get pwned!

It is good to dream now and again

You also fail to mention that thor beat him later in that arc WITHOUT the aid of Mjolnir. Also these are close quarters fights, agatha won't get into that kind of battle.

Actually you are mistaken. Thor defeated him as King Thor just before he became Rune Thor at the end of Ragnorak. I have the comic. The original battle against Durok, which is the one I am referring to was done much earlier.

Durability and strength mean nothing against teleportation to another dimension.

It is not as simple as that given she first generally fights off villains using blasts and does not just teleport people away.

Which will be siginificantly less limiting due to the augmentation her abilities will recieve as a result of the effects of the location on magic users.

As i stated earlier any augmentation is at the cost of her soul and she will not be willing to lose that so she may actually be more wary to using all her powers in such a place.

It took her seconds to banish her son to that hell dimension. He's just not quick enough to get close enough and through her shields in time.

That was her son and not a magical Asgardian Golem. She had close ties to her son whereas she has no ties to Durok.

All supposition, there is nothing in the comics or any bio I have read about him having immunity to magic. Also he was originally teleported by loki, that's how he got to earth from asgard. It worked once, it will work again.

Loki made the creature with the help of Karnilla I believe and as such they made him resistant to all formso of battle and against thor that means being resistant to Mjollnir which is magical.

He was created to be a creature capable of taking down thor, which means kitted out for close combat. He's never been indicated to have magical resistance so to say it's likely is ridiculous. She wil teleport him off to a hell dimension and that will be game over.

he also has blastst powerful enough to put down the Silver Surfer so he is obviously fitted for a bit more then close combat.

Durok is a godly engine of destruction. Agatha is no Dr. Strange and is not in the league of this creature. She would not be able to defeat Thor nor battle the Silver Surfer and as such she would lose this battle as well.

WINNER: Durok