Contest of Marvels II Thread 2

[Zoken]

Fusion
Hydroman
X-Cutioner
Lord Templar

 

[Iceman]

Lord Templar - easy victory
X-Cutioner - easy victory
Wild Thing - illusions won't be as effective on her as they would be on most opponents
Hydro-man - Wither seems too limited in range to be able to take this

 

[Midnight Ice]

Fusion
Hydroman
X-Cutioner
Lord Templar

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Fusion beat Wild Thing 7-4
X-Cutioner beat Hawkeye 11-0
Lord Templar beat Hulkling 10-1
Hydro-Man beat Wither 11-0

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Are you ****ing kidding me?! Illusions vs. heightened senses? What the hell is wrong with you people?! It's not like he's a goddamn telepath!!!

 

[wiegeabo]

My reasoning (as owner) was that if he can make someone believe whatever he wants them to, he would have to be able to fool all of their senses. So as long as she never learned they were illusions, he'd make her do whatever he wanted.

But I'll admit I'm relieved. Going against someone with hightened senses had me worried.

 

[Harlekin]

My reason for voting for Fusion:

Powers: He can persuade people to do what he wants, to see what he wants and to hear what he wants.

Heightened perceptions would mean jack in such a case, and since he'd still be fooling them. He even got to fool Parker's spider-sense. IMO, he could handle Wild Thing.

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 3,

Match 23:

Wildchild - Weapon X (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

vs.

Carrion (WIEGEABO) bio

Match 24:

Colossus (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

vs.

Blade (DARKHELLRIDER) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 4,

Match 23:

Nightcrawler (HARLEKIN) bio

vs.

Jack O-Lantern (HELLSTORMER) bio

Match 24:

Gideon (PHAEDRUS45) bio

vs.

Union Jack (HELLSTORMER) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: ASTEROID M

Asteroid M has been destroyed and reconstructed by the Master of Magnetism many times. All of them had several levels, including an observation deck, hangar bays and medical facilities. The various facilities had technology that kept it concealed from standard detection technology. They were all positioned in stationary orbit probably over Anya's grave (the deceased eldest child of Magneto).

Third version

It was during his brief association with the Hellfire Club, that Magneto rebuilt a fancier version of Asteroid M. Magneto wanted a contingency plan, if things didn't work out with the Hellfire Club. Therefore, he proceeded to rebuild his base of operations, to survey the Earth, from high above. From there, he heard of Scarlet Witch's troubles. He went down to Earth, to bring her back to his space station. This version was first seen in Avengers: West Coast #57 (April 1990).
When the West Coast Avengers attacked Asteroid M, we learn that Magneto has service robots on the station. The service robots were instrumental in alerting Magneto to the presence of Wasp, on his base. For obvious reasons, his entire asteroid isn't made out of metallic objects. Quicksilver demonstrated this when he ripped out plastic tubing out of one the consoles.
Afterwards events involving Zaladane, in the Savage Land, Magneto returned to Asteroid M, to live in peace. His peace didn't last that long, when Acolytes, led originally by Fabian Cortez, requested and were granted sanctuary by Magneto from American soldiers that were chasing them, on Asteroid M.
In X-Men (Second series) #1 (October 1991), it was stated that the asteroid was in synchronous orbit and 250 kilometers above the Earth (synchronous orbit is actually much farther from Earth than this; in all likelihood it was being magnetically levitated at that altitude). The asteroid also has selective inhibitor fields, that may keep mutants or superhumans from using their powers. This version of the asteroid has medical & science facilities, an observation deck, sleeping quarters, and a swimming pool.
Asteroid M was destroyed for the final time in X-Men (Second series) #3 (December 1991). From an escape pod, Cortez set off nuclear missiles that were around the asteroid. Although Magneto survived the re-entry of Asteroid M to Earth, the rest of the original Acolytes did not. The remains of the Asteroid M crashed into the Middle East. Forge, Henry Peter Gyrich, and other government officials, inspected the wreckage in Uncanny X-Men #299 (April 1993).

 

[Phaedrus45]

Gideon vs. Union Jack:

While Union Jack has gotten a humongous boost with his appearances in Captain America recently and his latest (and excellent) miniseries, this is going to be a slaughter.

First, Union Jack's bio:

Like those who held the title of Union Jack before him, Joey Chapman is an athlete in peak physical condition. In addition, his strength, speed, and endurance are enhanced by the Power of the Pendragon. He carries on the Union Jack tradition by using a Webley .455 pistol and a silver dagger. His costume is also bullet-resistant.

(I will point out that recent appearances, mainly those noted above, cannot be used. Both are from on-going storylines at the time of the contest beginning.)

Now, Gideon:

Gideon has the ability to mimic any nearby skill, talent, or power possessed by a person or mechanical being (such as an android or a battle suit) and then reapply or redirect that ability back to the attacker.

Also:

Powers: Gideon had the mutant power to mimic other superhuman powers in his vicinity based on their genetic templates. He is known to have mastered the ability to absorb at least six powers at once and use all copied abilities simultaneously, often in ways the original owners had not yet considered. Gideon had access to genetic templates at his home and businesses, thus enabling him to mimic powers even when superpowered beings were not present. As an External, Gideon was virtually immortal, able to recover from nearly any injury.

So, not only does it appear that Gideon can access whatever powers and abilities that Union Jack has (and his bullet-proof suit), but he can use these abilities "in ways the original owners had not yet considered." Plus, with access to genetic templates at his home and businesses, Gideon is easily able to get information on Union Jack during Prep-Time and pick the templates that best suit this match-up. (As it says, he can absorb up to six powers and use them all simultaneously.) Finally, Gideon is practically immortal. Union Jack would have to decapitate him, and since he's basically a "good guy," it's not likely that would happen.

Finally, Union Jack probably wouldn't have any information on Gideon. His method of attack is close-range fighting, and Gideon wouldn't have any trouble at being able to mimic his powers. They didn't run in the same circles, and he works for a different government than Gideon's been associated with. (Although, Gideon probably has done many transactions that the British government isn't aware of on their soil.)

Winner = Gideon

 

[Hellstormer]

BRACKET 4,

Match 23:

Nightcrawler (HARLEKIN) bio

vs.

Jack O-Lantern (HELLSTORMER) bio

Wow Harlekin using one of my favorite mutants, almost too much to bother debating. Well anyway I'll admit Nightcrawler's teleporting and sword fighting techniques will put JoL at a disadvantage. I'll assume Nightcrawler will have info and bring a sword or two. So JoL will probaly bring weaponry and since he knows he's fighting in space he'll make a modification to his helmet and put it oxygen tank along with making his suit into a space suit fo course. When he gets to the battle he'll pop a window or blow up a wall and watch Nightcrawler fly out and probaly teleport basck into anothing chamber and this will repeat till Nightcrawler has no more rooms to hide in.

Winner=Jack O Lantern

 

[Hellstormer]

Gideon (PHAEDRUS45) bio

vs.

Union Jack (HELLSTORMER) bio

Union Jack is probaly on a level of mind and body a step down from Captain America. So as one-sided as this is he can make it through. He'll use his connection to get the info he needs and after reading him he'll probaly start cussing. He knows when he's beat he makes that apparent in the recent mini. With prep time it's even better he'll bring knifes and guns. A lot fo them. He'll keep his distance because he'll know Gideon will have twice his speed, strength, and tactical abilities along with anything else Gideon snags before hand during prep. Jack'll know he needs to either, burn, decapitate, or stake Gideon. All of which he's very familier with fomr hunting vampire. He'll keep his distance, use his guns slow down and weaken Gideon till he's oput of bullets. Then he'll use throwing knifes and then finish it off with long knife slices. Eventually he'll win.

Winner=Union Jack

 

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal

Gideon vs. Union Jack:

While Union Jack has gotten a humongous boost with his appearances in Captain America recently and his latest (and excellent) miniseries, this is going to be a slaughter.

YEa the first issue was weak IMO but everything after that...hellz yeah!

So, not only does it appear that Gideon can access whatever powers and abilities that Union Jack has (and his bullet-proof suit), but he can use these abilities "in ways the original owners had not yet considered." Plus, with access to genetic templates at his home and businesses, Gideon is easily able to get information on Union Jack during Prep-Time and pick the templates that best suit this match-up. (As it says, he can absorb up to six powers and use them all simultaneously.) Finally, Gideon is practically immortal. Union Jack would have to decapitate him, and since he's basically a "good guy," it's not likely that would happen.

You seem to forget what the Union Jack legacy is....vampires! Decapitation, burning, staking through the heart. Ya know stuff that good guys won't do. SO don't even for a minute give me that good guy garbage. Union Jack has proved time and time again he'll kill if the being proves too much a threat. And what powers does Gideon have at his home. Give me some vague details here.

[/quote]Finally, Union Jack probably wouldn't have any information on Gideon. His method of attack is close-range fighting, and Gideon wouldn't have any trouble at being able to mimic his powers. They didn't run in the same circles, and he works for a different government than Gideon's been associated with. (Although, Gideon probably has done many transactions that the British government isn't aware of on their soil.)[/quote]How dare you don't you remember he was recently in the New Invaders. Through this he met US Agent who has SHIELD and Avengers clearence. He can call him up and pretty much get all the info he needs so he'll pretty much be ready.

I admit it's not an easy fault but this guy has beaten plenty of vampires with arcane powers so this should be right up his ally.

Winner=Union Jack (barely)

 

[Harlekin]

OPENING COMMENTS:

vs Jack O' Lantern

I'll start off by saying that Nightcrawler is pretty much my favourite X-Man, and that I (and just about everybody else) was saddened by the loss of Dave Cockrum. Rest in peace, Dave, you did good in years on Earth here. Now that we've got that out of the way, Nightcrawler will be facing Jack O' Lantern this time (instead of that stupid match against Firelord last season...) on the good old Asteroid M. Now, perhaps a bit of a better site for Nighty, and one hell of a fan-site either way, is www.bamfcentral.com, truly your resource for all things Nightcrawler.

I'll list his powers here, and you can find a detailed account here:
- Teleportation.
- Blending in shadows.
- Wall crawling.
- Agility.
- The Soulsword.

He has the additional abilities of being:
- A pretty good mechanic.
- An exceptional acrobat.
- A good swordsman/fencer.

All of these powers can be used in this battle to give Nightcrawler a very convincing win over Jack O' Lantern. To give it a little play-by-play structure, I see it going down as follows. Both characters have the time to prepare before the match, and Nightcrawler gets to tap into the X-Men database, which means detailed schematics concerning Asteroid M (an advantage that should not be underestimated) and a basic knowledge of what Jack O' Lantern can do. Jack is a little more impaired in this department, as he has a smaller amount of info, but should be able to discern Nightcrawler's basic powers and learn of the fact that Asteroid M is in space.

Both characters are teleported onto the large space station, a reasonable distance away from one another. Nightcrawler has the advantage here because he knows the lay-out of the station and knows that nobody else but him and Jack will be present. This gives him free play in teleporting and he quickly finds his way to the station's bridge. Seconds into the match, the power is cut and the station is enveloped in darkness. Jack can use his technology to illuminate himself, but he would not be able to cover every shadow. Nightcrawler has the added benefit of being able to see perfectly in the dark.

We've got a small problem though, concerning the identity of Jack O' Lantern. If he is Jason Macendale he has CIA training, but the others have no extra capabilities that'll help them out (except the second Jack, who might be some kind of magical being, but his history is really muddled). I'm just going to assume that this is the Jack that later became the Hobgoblin, because that was also the biography that was linked to. If it turns out to be the magic Jack (if that incarnation actually exists, that history really is muddled!) the Soulsword can take care of him, but we're using Macendale here. All it really means is that Jack has some extra hand-to-hand training, but I try and give my opponents a fair shake.

Now Nightcrawler has a couple of benefits over Jack O' Lantern in hand-to-hand combat.
- It prohibits the use of Jack's explosives since it would hurt him all the same.
- Nightcrawler is a lot more agile than Jack.
- Nightcrawler can easily dodge Jack's attacks via teleportation.
- Nightcrawler can steal all of Jack's equipment via teleportation.
- Nightcrawler can hide far more easily than Jack (wall crawling and all his other abilities).
- Teleporting while holding onto Jack O' Lantern in rapid succesion will probably knock Jack out.
- As shown when Nightcrawler faced Wolverine in his guise as Death, if performed at rapid teleportation succesion, Nightcrawler's punches can equal the strength of Rogue. It's the basic aspect of strength enhanced by speed.
- A little unorthodox of the previously unmentioned image inducer. Not only can he use the image enducer to change his form, he can also use to simply mask him, making him essentially invisible.

In other words, within seconds of the match and before the match has even started, Jack O' Lantern is at a disadvantage. Now, Nightcrawler can use the momentary confusion to simply rob Jack of all he's got, giving a certain dramatic flair to his opponent's defeat when Jack is standing in the centre of Asteroid M naked. He can use his teleportation for a variety other tactics to take care of Jack, or simply engage Jack in combat like Spidey has before. In such a case he can probably make use of the circumstances to do even better than Spidey would. He might get scratched, but again, victory belongs to Nightcrawler.

I think I've shown that the advantage is decidedly Nightcrawler's.

WINNER=NIGHTCRAWLER

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Nightcrawler vs Jack O' Lantern

Wow Harlekin using one of my favorite mutants, almost too much to bother debating.

Then figure how I feel.

Well anyway I'll admit Nightcrawler's teleporting and sword fighting techniques will put JoL at a disadvantage.

Good.

I'll assume Nightcrawler will have info and bring a sword or two.

Good assumption.

So JoL will probaly bring weaponry and since he knows he's fighting in space he'll make a modification to his helmet and put it oxygen tank along with making his suit into a space suit fo course. When he gets to the battle he'll pop a window or blow up a wall and watch Nightcrawler fly out and probaly teleport basck into anothing chamber and this will repeat till Nightcrawler has no more rooms to hide in.

Bad assumption. There's little logic to this. Blowing open Asteroid M endangers Jack as much as Nighty, even if he is carrying an oxygen tank. I also didn't know he actually had the technology to be capable of creating a friggin' spacesuit. That's no piece of cake. Lastly, this only really works on the assumption that Nightcrawler is well... ******ed.

WINNER=NIGHTCRAWLER

 

[JewishHobbit]

Colossus Vs Blade

Colossus has so many advantages here. First off, he knows the location better than most anyone, as he lived there for an extended period of time. He was commonly on servalance, so he'd know what room to find that in to location Blade. I'm sure he'd also know the security systems and such.

Not only that, but his skin is armored. I don't know blade well, but I don't think his teeth or any of his weapons can get through Colossus' hide. Blade will last a while, that I figure, but in the long run Colossus has this. Blade will be beat down.

Winner - Colossus

 

[Phaedrus45]

Union Jack is probaly on a level of mind and body a step down from Captain America.

Steve Rogers has the Super Soldier Serum that ran through his body. Union Jack is just a well-trained soldier from Britain. I'd venture a guess that he's a BIG step down from Captain America.

He'll use his connection to get the info he needs and after reading him he'll probaly start cussing. He knows when he's beat he makes that apparent in the recent mini.

But, he won't have connections to get the information he needs. He's not allowed to talk to other characters, like his friend US Agent, as you point out above. He can only use information that would normally be available to him. (Plus, anything pertaining to his "recent mini" is not relevant to our match.)

With prep time it's even better he'll bring knifes and guns. A lot fo them. He'll keep his distance because he'll know Gideon will have twice his speed, strength, and tactical abilities along with anything else Gideon snags before hand during prep. Jack'll know he needs to either, burn, decapitate, or stake Gideon. All of which he's very familier with fomr hunting vampire. He'll keep his distance, use his guns slow down and weaken Gideon till he's oput of bullets. Then he'll use throwing knifes and then finish it off with long knife slices. Eventually he'll win.

The most important difference between Gideon and Union Jack is the amount of information they can each get on the other. Gideon would have all the information he needs at his fingertips on knowing Union Jack will be resorting to knives, guns and fighting skills in this match. Thus, Gideon simply has to make sure one of the abilities he mimics before arriving for the match is impervious skin. Gideon is a very rich man with many resources at his disposal. It's more than likely that he has this ability on hand at one of his locations.

You seem to forget what the Union Jack legacy is....vampires! Decapitation, burning, staking through the heart. Ya know stuff that good guys won't do. SO don't even for a minute give me that good guy garbage.

But, Vampires are very different from LIVING BEINGS. It's one thing to kill the undead; even Captain America would do that, more than likely. Plus, Union Jack won't even know he's dealing with someone who can only be killed with decapitation.

How dare you don't you remember he was recently in the New Invaders. Through this he met US Agent who has SHIELD and Avengers clearence. He can call him up and pretty much get all the info he needs so he'll pretty much be ready.

Yea, I did forget this is Union Jack from New Invaders; but, as I mentioned, you cannot use other people as resources in Prep-Time. He'd be able to get zero information on my character. Gideon very much kept who he was a secret, as the following quote shows:

Until recently, Gideon kept his power a secret, preferring to work behind the scenes. However, the New Warriors, when investigating criminal links of the Taylor Foundation, caused Gideon to reveal his mutant powers and sadistic temperament. He soundly defeated them.

This also shows how powerful he really is, being able to "soundly defeat" the New Warriors.

Now, as you question what abilities he is able to use, it would stand to reason that he would store these templates at one of his locations after his battles. To me, it's safe to presume he would have stored information on the New Warriors and X-Force, just to name a couple groups he came into contact with.

Winner = Gideon

 

[Hellstormer]

REBUTTAL: Nightcrawler vs Jack O' Lantern

Then figure how I feel.


Good.


Good assumption.


Bad assumption. There's little logic to this. Blowing open Asteroid M endangers Jack as much as Nighty, even if he is carrying an oxygen tank. I also didn't know he actually had the technology to be capable of creating a friggin' spacesuit. That's no piece of cake. Lastly, this only really works on the assumption that Nightcrawler is well... ******ed.

WINNER=NIGHTCRAWLER

Yea to be completely honest I really don't wanna argue this one. I beat you in a pretty even battle already (Ch'od/Lizard) so I figure we'll call it even and let Nightcrawler free.

Winner=The Greatest 616 X-Men Ever

Also when did Nightcrawler get a soulsword? Is it Magik's soulsword or just A soulsword?

 

[Hellstormer]

Steve Rogers has the Super Soldier Serum that ran through his body. Union Jack is just a well-trained soldier from Britain. I'd venture a guess that he's a BIG step down from Captain America.

Did you read the wiki? I assume this is the current Union Jack so he actually has, according to Wiki, Mystically enhanced strength, speed, and endurance. He got these powers way back in the 80s when he joined the Knights of the Pendragon.

But, he won't have connections to get the information he needs. He's not allowed to talk to other characters, like his friend US Agent, as you point out above. He can only use information that would normally be available to him. (Plus, anything pertaining to his "recent mini" is not relevant to our match.)

I was just using the mini as an example of what he can do, he's done this kind of stuff before in his 99 mini and in the Invaders series. I mentioned the mini because it seemed to be that your read it so calm down. And why is everyone coming down so hard on the "people as resources" rule, my past debates have those along with other peoples no one's ever brought it up before. To get his information he'll go through the British files and I'm sure he can find something.

The most important difference between Gideon and Union Jack is the amount of information they can each get on the other. Gideon would have all the information he needs at his fingertips on knowing Union Jack will be resorting to knives, guns and fighting skills in this match. Thus, Gideon simply has to make sure one of the abilities he mimics before arriving for the match is impervious skin. Gideon is a very rich man with many resources at his disposal. It's more than likely that he has this ability on hand at one of his locations.

So how exactly will he get files on Union Jack, he wasn't in the Avengers and all the Invaders buildings have been destroyed. Really there's only a few people that know of Union Jack's existence outside of the UK and even the people in UK probaly don't know the full extent of his powers.

But, Vampires are very different from LIVING BEINGS. It's one thing to kill the undead; even Captain America would do that, more than likely. Plus, Union Jack won't even know he's dealing with someone who can only be killed with decapitation.

God I'm tired of this crap. Why does everyone assume good guys don't cross the line. Did you read the recent INvaders series? And did you read the 99 mini? (I tihnk that's the right year) Union Jack isn't nowhere as honorable as Cap. He'll do what he has to to stay alive.

Yea, I did forget this is Union Jack from New Invaders; but, as I mentioned, you cannot use other people as resources in Prep-Time. He'd be able to get zero information on my character. Gideon very much kept who he was a secret, as the following quote shows:

Until recently, Gideon kept his power a secret, preferring to work behind the scenes. However, the New Warriors, when investigating criminal links of the Taylor Foundation, caused Gideon to reveal his mutant powers and sadistic temperament. He soundly defeated them.

This also shows how powerful he really is, being able to "soundly defeat" the New Warriors.

Which version of the New Warriors? And it sounds like he came out and people saw his powers.

Now, as you question what abilities he is able to use, it would stand to reason that he would store these templates at one of his locations after his battles. To me, it's safe to presume he would have stored information on the New Warriors and X-Force, just to name a couple groups he came into contact with.

I know he has Sunspots because he worked with him for an elongated time. Tell me exactly what powers he would use and I can make a better rebut.


Winner=Union Jack

 

[Phaedrus45]

Did you read the wiki? I assume this is the current Union Jack so he actually has, according to Wiki, Mystically enhanced strength, speed, and endurance. He got these powers way back in the 80s when he joined the Knights of the Pendragon.

I'm just going with the appearances that I've read of Union Jack. To me, he cannot compare to Captain America. I did the following research, and he has been enhanced with the "Power of the Pendragon." It says the following about these enhanced powers:

Each member was the modern day version of an Arthurian knight, and was possessed by the same ancient spirit that had possessed that knight. The Green Knight gave them powers, including heightened senses and fighting skill, the ability to speak with animals, and the ability to shoot blasts of "Pendragon fire".


But, in the latest Official Handbook, it describes his current powers as:

Union Jack's Pendragon provides superhuman strength and endurance, enhanced senses and accelerated healing. At the height of his Pendragon power, he could lift several tons, and healed broken bones overnight; presently his strength appears to be peak human. He is a superb athlete, skilled in both armed and unarmed combat.

In a range going up to seven, his powers are as follows:

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 3
Speed: 2
Durability: 3
Energy Projection: 1
Fighting Skills: 4

Just to stress to the voters, I want to repoint out the following:

presently his strength appears to be peak human.

This is mainly because he is no longer a member of the Knights of the Pendragon, but a member of the New Invaders.

Now, I do want the voters to realize that whatever manifestation of this Power of the Pendragon that Union Jack has will now be duplicated and bettered by Gideon. He will know things to do with these powers that even Union Jack isn't aware of. And, it isn't like Union Jack can be too far away as to not have Gideon read his powers. This is an enclosed structure. Gideon will get a sense of Union Jacks powers and know he is near.

I was just using the mini as an example of what he can do, he's done this kind of stuff before in his 99 mini and in the Invaders series. I mentioned the mini because it seemed to be that your read it so calm down. And why is everyone coming down so hard on the "people as resources" rule, my past debates have those along with other peoples no one's ever brought it up before. To get his information he'll go through the British files and I'm sure he can find something.

I know it wasn't using the miniseries as part of your debate; but, since it was brought up, I felt the need to stress that this is New Invaders Union Jack. It's crucial to my debate, and if others have allowed "people as resources" to be used, it's simply because they haven't called you on the mistake. Plain and simple, US Agent cannot be used as a resource, and neither can Avenger's files. Additionally, nothing in Gideon's past would have any indication that British files would have a single thing on him. I stand by that Union Jack wouldn't be able to find any documentation on who Gideon is.

So how exactly will he get files on Union Jack, he wasn't in the Avengers and all the Invaders buildings have been destroyed. Really there's only a few people that know of Union Jack's existence outside of the UK and even the people in UK probaly don't know the full extent of his powers.

Gideon was an External and a very serious business man who made it his priority to keep up an many things superhuman. Union Jack isn't someone who kept his dealings secret, and there were even two Union Jacks before him. There would be an abundance of information on Union Jack for Gideon to gain. You have to remember that Union Jack is loved by the British people. He's quite well known, especially his previous version from WWII.

God I'm tired of this crap. Why does everyone assume good guys don't cross the line. Did you read the recent INvaders series? And did you read the 99 mini? (I tihnk that's the right year) Union Jack isn't nowhere as honorable as Cap. He'll do what he has to to stay alive.

But, as I said, it's one thing to kill a vampire, it's another thing to kill someone who you don't know who he is or what he does. Plus, there is no way Union Jack would have any indication that to kill Gideon he'd have to cut off his head.

Which version of the New Warriors? And it sounds like he came out and people saw his powers.

I know he has Sunspots because he worked with him for an elongated time. Tell me exactly what powers he would use and I can make a better rebut.

If you go to New Warriors #19, without any effort, he gains the powers of Justice (or Marvel Boy), Firestar, Silhoutte, Nova, Night Thrasher, Speedball, and Namorita. And, when the bio says he defeated them with ease (using their own powers against him), they didn't even lay a scratch on him. He held them captive, and would obviously have access to any of these abilities. This doesn't even include his battles with X-Force and whatever abilities he's gained from them.

Winner = Gideon

 

[wiegeabo]

Carrion vs Wildchild

Wildchild sounds like he has some good abilities, but against Carrion they won't be enough. Wildchild could probably get info on Carrion, if he used information. Which he probably wouldn't having a bestial mindset. Carrion wouldn't get info on Wildchild, but he doesn't need too.

Carrion strength should be a match for Wildchild. Wild probably has a lot more fighting skill, but Carrion can just fly over him, or change his density to become intangible.

But even doing that really isn't necessary. Once Wildchild lays a hand on Carrion, Carrion can begin destroying his body just by touching him

Unfortunately for Wildchild, Carrion can avoid any damage that may be dished out and eventually cause Wildchild to fall apart on a molecular level.

Carrion wins

 

[Harlekin]

I beat you in a pretty even battle already (Ch'od/Lizard) so I figure we'll call it even and let Nightcrawler free.

Yeah, I don't want a pity victory. Debate.

Also when did Nightcrawler get a soulsword? Is it Magik's soulsword or just A soulsword?

As far as I know, it's Magik's.

 

[Midnight Ice]

BRACKET 3,

Match 23:

Wildchild - Weapon X (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

vs.

Carrion (WIEGEABO) bio

Wildchild has no regard for life or the consequences of his actions. Carrion is insane and can't even figure out who he is or what powers he has. Since Wildchild reacts without much thought (if any at all) he would instantly attack Carrion, catching him off guard and go for a killing blow right away.

Winner: Wildchild

 

[Hellstormer]

I'm just going with the appearances that I've read of Union Jack. To me, he cannot compare to Captain America. I did the following research, and he has been enhanced with the "Power of the Pendragon." It says the following about these enhanced powers:

Each member was the modern day version of an Arthurian knight, and was possessed by the same ancient spirit that had possessed that knight. The Green Knight gave them powers, including heightened senses and fighting skill, the ability to speak with animals, and the ability to shoot blasts of "Pendragon fire".


But, in the latest Official Handbook, it describes his current powers as:

Union Jack's Pendragon provides superhuman strength and endurance, enhanced senses and accelerated healing. At the height of his Pendragon power, he could lift several tons, and healed broken bones overnight; presently his strength appears to be peak human. He is a superb athlete, skilled in both armed and unarmed combat.

In a range going up to seven, his powers are as follows:

Intelligence: 2
Strength: 3
Speed: 2
Durability: 3
Energy Projection: 1
Fighting Skills: 4

Just to stress to the voters, I want to repoint out the following:

presently his strength appears to be peak human.

This is mainly because he is no longer a member of the Knights of the Pendragon, but a member of the New Invaders.

Was that from the most recent 2006 OHMU? The one that's last issue was published after the contest started. That means technically you can't use it.

Now, I do want the voters to realize that whatever manifestation of this Power of the Pendragon that Union Jack has will now be duplicated and bettered by Gideon. He will know things to do with these powers that even Union Jack isn't aware of. And, it isn't like Union Jack can be too far away as to not have Gideon read his powers. This is an enclosed structure.

Ok so how exactlycan Gideon use Super Strength, Stamina, and regen in "new ways"

know it wasn't using the miniseries as part of your debate; but, since it was brought up, I felt the need to stress that this is New Invaders Union Jack. It's crucial to my debate, and if others have allowed "people as resources" to be used, it's simply because they haven't called you on the mistake. Plain and simple, US Agent cannot be used as a resource, and neither can Avenger's files. Additionally, nothing in Gideon's past would have any indication that British files would have a single thing on him. I stand by that Union Jack wouldn't be able to find any documentation on who Gideon is.

Wait so no one's allowed to use Avenger's files? UJ isn't a member but I thought we were allowed to use the files available to us? I might've just misread your statement. Ok so Union Jack doesn't have info on Gideon and I doubt Gideon could find more then basics on UJ.

Gideon was an External and a very serious business man who made it his priority to keep up an many things superhuman. Union Jack isn't someone who kept his dealings secret, and there were even two Union Jacks before him. There would be an abundance of information on Union Jack for Gideon to gain. You have to remember that Union Jack is loved by the British people. He's quite well known, especially his previous version from WWII.

Yes but he would need to get files from someone who's worked with or fought along UJ. Just because he's loved in UK doesn't mean they all know the extent of his powers.

But, as I said, it's one thing to kill a vampire, it's another thing to kill someone who you don't know who he is or what he does. Plus, there is no way Union Jack would have any indication that to kill Gideon he'd have to cut off his head.

If you're shooting point blank at a guy and nothing's happening I think he would start for the killshots. Now in his 98 mini (I had the wrong year). It shows him beating Baron Blood and taking on six vampires that had the jump on him. Now some of the items he was using were:

.455 7-shot pistol
Silver-bladed dagger
Silver wire (decapitation)

Now in the Invaders series (and the Avengers arc leading up to it:

Unidentified automatic fire arm
Tear gas grenades
Paches with unidentified contents

He also wears a bulletproof, fire ******ent, and knife resistant mask and suit. A latter mask he wears also doubles as a gas mask. So this isn't as one-sided.

If you go to New Warriors #19, without any effort, he gains the powers of Justice (or Marvel Boy), Firestar, Silhoutte, Nova, Night Thrasher, Speedball, and Namorita. And, when the bio says he defeated them with ease (using their own powers against him), they didn't even lay a scratch on him. He held them captive, and would obviously have access to any of these abilities. This doesn't even include his battles with X-Force and whatever abilities he's gained from them.

Let's go over the New Warriors X-Force powers at the time Gideon fought them.

Microwave Radiation Manipulation
Flight
Electromagnetic energy wavelength disruption
TK
Fully amphibious body, suited for high water pressure
Super strength
highspeed swimming
flight
acid touch
transperancy
immune to telepathy
martial arts
Super strength
injury resistant
flight
engery absorbtion/projection
kinetic forcefield
explosive energy balls
Ability to release thermochemical energy
unstoppable and virtually invulnerable flight
Superhuman strength
superhumanspeed
superhuman stamina
superhuman durability
Enhanced senses
Flight
Sharp claws and teeth
Superhuman senses
Superhuman agility
Superhuman strength
Night vision
Accelerated healing
Prehensile tail
Enhanced strength
Enhanced speed
Enhanced stamina
Enhanced agility
Enhanced reflexes
Accelerated healing
Ability to generate bio-energy through swords
Sonic scream
Flight
Create a sonic bubble that keeps sounds from exitin
Solar absorption and rechanneling
Superhuman strength
Flight
Projection of heat and light
Concussive blasts

Now the question is his limits, can he hold only six powers at a time or six peoples? You can choose from the powers listed above but I'll let you decide between individual powers and overall peoples powers.

Also I'd like you to take into consideration exactly who he was fighting. A newbie team of teenagers and a group of wild X-men wannabes without their leader (cable). Let's face while they aren't pushovers these groups were newly formed and one was missing it's leader when he beat them.