Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[wiegeabo]

Quasar vs Magma

Admittedly, Magma's power can be pretty powerful. The ability to control molten rock, thousands of degrees in temperatue can be a great weapon. Especially if you can bring the magma up anywhere on the earth.

But we're talking about Quasar, protector of the universe. A man who travels the universe and puts up with the extreme cold, heat, and radiation the universe hits him with. Not to mention being able to defend himself with powerful shields and being able to teleport out of danger.

And then there are his offensive abilites. Solid constructs, energy manipulation, cosmic energy attacks. Heck, Quasar tapped into a sun, far hotter than anything Magma will be able to use. And he'll just be able to absorb the heat of her attacks anyway.

Really, there's not much Magma will be able to do against Quasar, and she got a bad draw to be against him in the first round.

Quasar wins

 

[JewishHobbit]

Abyss (AoA) Vs Slapstick

This is a match where it could be entertaining. It's true that I don't think that either would do much physical damage to one another, therefor I think it comes down to Abyss' void chest that's the deciding factor. Neither would know much of the other, so there's little to no preptime, and the location doesn't really do much for either as well. Now something to remember is that this isn't the slouch Abyss from the 616, this is a lethal counterpart that worked his way up the ranks of the AOA to the mantle of Horsemen, a difficult rank to achieve. He's no slouch, and a goofball like Slapstick shouldn't prove to be much of a problem. I picture Slapstick bouncing a round and being all cartoony, and Abyss will find him and make some wisecracks about him. Abyss will attack first but realize that he has trouble physically assaulting Slapstick. Therefor, he will switch and use his limited telepathy (Mentioned here) to distract Slapstick, or possibly even get him to actually draw nearer to him (I'm not sure how limited it is). He can also create a tremor to distract Slapstick. He will do these such things until he manages to get a few tendrels around Slapstick and begins to pull. I imagine this then going like a cartoon with Slapstick holding onto something and stretching a great distance into Abyss' void, but more tendrels will wrap around him and beat on the object he holds to until he is finally loosened and sucked into the void. It closes, and Slapstick is in the pocket dimension with no escape, and effectively removed from the playing field.

Winner - Abyss

 

[JewishHobbit]

Rebuttal

Slapstick vs Abyss (AoA)

Let's be frank here, neither is going to be able to get information on the other. Beyond that, this is a perfect match-up. Both are highly resistant to injury thanks to their malleable forms. Beyond that he have little in common. Abyss is a sadistic **** while Slapstick is a happy go-lucky cartoon character. His greatest strength together with the fact that he can't be hurt.

I'm serious here, this guy can't be hurt. Like any good old cartoon character, he can shake of any injury that afflicts him, and there's really nothing you can do to actually hurt him. Abyss' only chance is in sucking him into his own body, a fact that he won't be able to pull off. Sure, Slapstick won't know exactly what would happen if he were to be caught in such a manner, but he's not stupid. He may be a cartoon character but he's not stupid. There's a vicious, evil nihilist in front of you with nice evil looking tendrils, he's going to avoid getting caught.

He may try to avoid getting caught, but that doesn't mean he will be able to. In my offensive manuevers I mentioned two ways that could allow him to get caught, and they both can work in this scenario as well. It's true that cartoons are tough and are seldom hurt, but even the Gremlin got the best of Bugs Bunny!

And the best part about avoiding getting caught? Hitting Abyss with his freakishly large cartoon mallet, and the fact that he has access to a dimension he can literally store anything in. If he can't get rid of Abyss in the old-fashioned "knock it till it knocks out"-manner, he can just use that opening to capture Abyss. It's not the most fun option, but it is an option.

I mean, don't get me wrong... who doesn't love hitting things with a freakishly huge mallet, but I don't think it'd do much against Abyss. He is malable, and though he can be hurt physically, it'd take quite a bit. And if Slapstick is close enough to physically hit Abyss over the head with a mallet, he's close enough to get 'tendreled' and pulled into his chest. The same goes with the gloves. Both have these dimensions in them that can be utilized, but Abyss' is more ready, and I think if it came down to both sucking the other into themselves, Abyss's widening chest is more sucky friendly and would win the contest (oh I could have taken that whole sentance in an offensively perverted way!)

There's really so little Abyss can do to Slapstick, heck, he pretty much can't do anything to hurt him. He's going to have to try and capture him, which Slapstick simply won't allow, which means Abyss is going down to the power of the freakishly large mallet.

Freakishly Large Mallet's getting sucked into the Abyss too. Maybe he can hit Nightcrawler's daddy with it

Winner - Abyss (AoA)

 

[Harlekin]

Rebuttal

Abyss will attack first but realize that he has trouble physically assaulting Slapstick. Therefor, he will switch and use his limited telepathy (Mentioned here) to distract Slapstick, or possibly even get him to actually draw nearer to him (I'm not sure how limited it is).

A nice strategy, although as mentioned here it's not so much telepathy as feeding off negative emotions. Slapstick does not have negative emotions, or rather, wouldn't have them while he's pounding the **** out of Abyss with his freakishly large mallet.

He can also create a tremor to distract Slapstick. He will do these such things until he manages to get a few tendrels around Slapstick and begins to pull. I imagine this then going like a cartoon with Slapstick holding onto something and stretching a great distance into Abyss' void, but more tendrels will wrap around him and beat on the object he holds to until he is finally loosened and sucked into the void.

Except he can do numerous things while he's getting sucked in. He has a pocket dimension all to his own where he stores items, and he's a cartoon character. Although the mallet is pretty much his primary weapon, there's so much that could come out of that dimension beside it. Remember what defeated Abyss? Sound. It's pretty concievable that Slapstick could conjure up a big microphone and blast Abyss away.

He may try to avoid getting caught, but that doesn't mean he will be able to. In my offensive manuevers I mentioned two ways that could allow him to get caught, and they both can work in this scenario as well. It's true that cartoons are tough and are seldom hurt, but even the Gremlin got the best of Bugs Bunny!

Except at least one of those two methods wouldn't work, and the other doesn't have a terribly high chance of success.

I mean, don't get me wrong... who doesn't love hitting things with a freakishly huge mallet, but I don't think it'd do much against Abyss. He is malable, and though he can be hurt physically, it'd take quite a bit. And if Slapstick is close enough to physically hit Abyss over the head with a mallet, he's close enough to get 'tendreled' and pulled into his chest. The same goes with the gloves. Both have these dimensions in them that can be utilized, but Abyss' is more ready, and I think if it came down to both sucking the other into themselves, Abyss's widening chest is more sucky friendly and would win the contest (oh I could have taken that whole sentance in an offensively perverted way!)

Someone isn't down after the first hit? Keep hitting. Slapstick just needs to keep moving (which he will) to avoid Abyss and keep on hitting him. Abyss has absolutely no offensive quality except for the whole suck-into-chest action. Slapstick has a clear advantage here.

WINNER=SLAPSTICK

 

[JewishHobbit]

Rebuttal



A nice strategy, although as mentioned here it's not so much telepathy as feeding off negative emotions. Slapstick does not have negative emotions, or rather, wouldn't have them while he's pounding the **** out of Abyss with his freakishly large mallet.

This is posible, as I don't remember how his telepathy works exactly. I'll give that to you.

Except he can do numerous things while he's getting sucked in. He has a pocket dimension all to his own where he stores items, and he's a cartoon character. Although the mallet is pretty much his primary weapon, there's so much that could come out of that dimension beside it. Remember what defeated Abyss? Sound. It's pretty concievable that Slapstick could conjure up a big microphone and blast Abyss away.

It wasn't technically sound that defeated him, as it was the force behind Banshee's attack tearing him from the inside out. I don't think Slapstick would have anything up to that degree. It'd have to be something strong enough that would level a mountain (as it's been said Banshee's scream can do, and it said as he died that he let out as much as he ever could). Sound itself isn't what hurts Abyss. And Slapstick wouldnt' have time to pull something out to defend himself, as Abyss is very fast. He'd have to let go of whatever he's holding onto to pull the item, and with no more leverage, he'd be sucked in in seconds.

Someone isn't down after the first hit? Keep hitting. Slapstick just needs to keep moving (which he will) to avoid Abyss and keep on hitting him. Abyss has absolutely no offensive quality except for the whole suck-into-chest action. Slapstick has a clear advantage here.

WINNER=SLAPSTICK

There's really no proof that even multiple hits by the mallet will do anything to Abyss. I can't recall him really being hurt by any physical means in the comics. He was only hurt by his own void, and by a physical assault from within him blowing him apart. And he does have offensive manuevers. He has the tendrels (that I think you're making to sound very much too slow) that he can fight with. He didn't become horsemen by just sucking you know

 

[Midnight Ice]

Scalphunter (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Bloodstorm (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio




Ok, the location of this fight is the only thing Bloodstorm really has to her disadvantage. Remember, she is already dead since she is a vampire. As most of us know from comics and movies, vampires can be extremely tough to kill.

Bloodstorm can control many animals. This base being where it is, she should be able to get some animals to distract Scalphunter while she hides in an alcove in her bat form. Then all Bloodstorm would have to do is fly behind Scalphunter and bite him before he knew what hit him.

 

[kytrigger]

Ok, the location of this fight is the only thing Bloodstorm really has to her disadvantage. Remember, she is already dead since she is a vampire. As most of us know from comics and movies, vampires can be extremely tough to kill.

Bloodstorm can control many animals. This base being where it is, she should be able to get some animals to distract Scalphunter while she hides in an alcove in her bat form. Then all Bloodstorm would have to do is fly behind Scalphunter and bite him before he knew what hit him.

Rebuttal:

How would the animals get in? There is an (almost) impenetrable force field around Atillan.

As for the hiding part, Scalphunter can easily have a multitude searching devices including radar, sonar, thermal (which I grant you might not work since she's a vampire) and a myriad of other devices that would be able to detect Bloodstorm. Now, on the other hand, Bloodstorm wouldn't have any. So chances are if both are actually hiding from one another, or playing cat and mouse, that she is at a severe disadvantage.

It is important to note that you do admit that she would turn into a bat or another one of her animals though since she has been kown to use those powers. Unfortunately for her, I don't recall ever reading where she can use her weather powers while in animal or mist form (if she has, and you know of an issue I would like to read about it). Since she cancels out her own weather powers (somethign I'll assume unless you you or someone else clarifies), it is basically a strong wolf/bat/gaseous state vs. Scalphunter, the man known for killing the Morlocks.

And like I said in my first post, all he has to do is give himself enough time to retrieve one of the many weapons in Attilan, augment it (if he would even need to), and fire it at Bloodstorm, and he could do that against Bloodstorm in regular form, and could easily do it against her in her weaker animal forms.

Winner: Scalphunter

 

[Harlekin]

Slapstick vs Abyss (AoA)

It wasn't technically sound that defeated him, as it was the force behind Banshee's attack tearing him from the inside out. I don't think Slapstick would have anything up to that degree. It'd have to be something strong enough that would level a mountain (as it's been said Banshee's scream can do, and it said as he died that he let out as much as he ever could). Sound itself isn't what hurts Abyss. And Slapstick wouldnt' have time to pull something out to defend himself, as Abyss is very fast. He'd have to let go of whatever he's holding onto to pull the item, and with no more leverage, he'd be sucked in in seconds.

I'll give you that, but the fun doesn't stop there. That pocket dimension is basically cartoon hammerspace. That means we're talking beside the usual mallet, stuff like bombs. A bomb would be a highly effective manner of at least keeping Abyss away. Considering Slapstick wouldn't be hurt by it anyway, it's also a useful method to just plain take care of Abyss.

There's really no proof that even multiple hits by the mallet will do anything to Abyss. I can't recall him really being hurt by any physical means in the comics. He was only hurt by his own void, and by a physical assault from within him blowing him apart. And he does have offensive manuevers. He has the tendrels (that I think you're making to sound very much too slow) that he can fight with. He didn't become horsemen by just sucking you know

Except there is proof. Ultimately Abyss from the AoA is just an alternate reality version of Abyss (616). They both possess the same powers, except the AoA version is a lot more adept and cruel at using them. I distinctly remember Abyss from the 616 universe being knocked out before, but I could be wrong. Although he can use the tendrils for more than just trying to suck Slapstick into him (after all he can hit Slapstick with them too) that would be relatively useless. Where Abyys can comes close to being almost invulnerable, Slapstick simply is invulnerable[/]u.

It's simply a matter of time before we crown SLAPSTICK=WINNER.

 

[Phaedrus45]

bumpin' it all together

 

[JewishHobbit]

Slapstick vs Abyss (AoA)


I'll give you that, but the fun doesn't stop there. That pocket dimension is basically cartoon hammerspace. That means we're talking beside the usual mallet, stuff like bombs. A bomb would be a highly effective manner of at least keeping Abyss away. Considering Slapstick wouldn't be hurt by it anyway, it's also a useful method to just plain take care of Abyss.

If I'm not mistaken, Slapstick isn't the kind of character to try and kill someone, even if his life is at stake. He won't pull a bomb that can kill on Abyss, I think that's stretching. I do think he can pull out quite a bit of stuff that can maybe hurt Abyss, but a bomb? No. I guess this just comes down to whether or not you believe that Slapstick has anything that can hurt Abyss, and what it would actually take to hurt him.

Except there is proof. Ultimately Abyss from the AoA is just an alternate reality version of Abyss (616). They both possess the same powers, except the AoA version is a lot more adept and cruel at using them. I distinctly remember Abyss from the 616 universe being knocked out before, but I could be wrong. Although he can use the tendrils for more than just trying to suck Slapstick into him (after all he can hit Slapstick with them too) that would be relatively useless. Where Abyys can comes close to being almost invulnerable, Slapstick simply is invulnerable[/]u.

The Abyss from AoA is much more experienced and knowledgable than 616 and knows how his powers work, whereas 616 is just a young guy with no experience. And we see on a few occassions that people's powers aren't exactly the same from AoA and 616, such as Husk who could shape change and turn into liquids in the AoA, and Iceman, who could rearange his whole form (though he later learned this in the AoA). They learned how to further their abilities in the AoA, and it's the same with Abyss. It's not a fair comparison between the two, as they behave completely differant. He was never rendered unconscious in the 616 by physical means, though he was sedated in the X-Corps storyline, and even that is questionable, as he volunteered and allowed them to sedate him. Whose to say that they could have if they even wanted to? I still believe that Abyss can take whatever punishment Slapstick and dish out, and I still think Abyss will have no problem pulling the cartoon into his void.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

MAGMA vs. QUASAR

I concede this one. Magma can do a hell of a lot; create volcanoes, pour on the heat, even handle a sword, but in the end she couldn't possibly make a dent in Qusar's cosmic powers. At most, Attilan would become a pool of molten lava.

WINNER: QUASAR

 

[Harlekin]

If I'm not mistaken, Slapstick isn't the kind of character to try and kill someone, even if his life is at stake. He won't pull a bomb that can kill on Abyss, I think that's stretching. I do think he can pull out quite a bit of stuff that can maybe hurt Abyss, but a bomb? No. I guess this just comes down to whether or not you believe that Slapstick has anything that can hurt Abyss, and what it would actually take to hurt him.

Of course Slapstick isn't a killer, and it wasn't my intention to make anyone think so, but I seriously doubt a small bomb would do any lasting damage to Abyss. It would sure as hell keep him away for a while. I think he has enough in that hammerspace of his that can take care of Abyss. It's really up to the voters at this point.

The Abyss from AoA is much more experienced and knowledgable than 616 and knows how his powers work, whereas 616 is just a young guy with no experience. [...] He was never rendered unconscious in the 616 by physical means, though he was sedated in the X-Corps storyline, and even that is questionable, as he volunteered and allowed them to sedate him. Whose to say that they could have if they even wanted to?

Okay, thanks for clarifying. It's been a while since I read that bit.

I still believe that Abyss can take whatever punishment Slapstick and dish out, and I still think Abyss will have no problem pulling the cartoon into his void.

And I still believe that really is nothing Abyss can do to Slapstick, and Slapstick should have problem avoiding getting sucked into the void. Advantage Slapstick in my opinion. It's up to the voters though.

My personal/professional opinion?

WINNER=SLAPSTICK

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah you're right. At this point it's just going in circles. Up to the mighty, wonderful, handsome, beautiful voters to decided who abyss is to win abyss the match between abyss Slapstick and Abyss vote abyss.

 

[Harlekin]

Exactly. It was fun anyway to debate it, but now we've got to leave it up to -- screw it, I'm not kissing their asses. I'm offering free cookies and milk to everyone that votes Slapstick. That good enough for ya?

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm one of the co-bosses!!! I'm offering an extra vote for their character!!!! Screw milk and Cookies!!!

 

[hippy fascist]

I'm offering free cookies and milk to everyone that votes Slapstick. That good enough for ya?

chocolate chip and hazlenut?

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!

 

[hippy fascist]

scalphunter
quasar
thing
abyss

 

[Darthphere]

Scalphunter
Abyss
Quasar
Thing

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Bloodstorm - (I do believe Ky won the debate; but, I think Bloodstorm has the advantage of Scalphunter not realizing she'd be a vampire and undead. I see him walking up to her, thinking she's done for, and then grasping hold and sucking the life out of him.)

*Slapstick - (This vote should read "a tie." You both did an excellent job, and the large mallet had me laughing frequently. Basically, since you both convinced me of your case, I decided to think of how the match would end if it was made into a comic.)

*Quasar

*Thing - (I'm not sure Trigger realizes that there is more than one thread. Cardiac could have won this, but he didn't get debated.)

 

[kytrigger]

Scalphunter

Abyss - really good debate on both sides, was one of the toughest choices (this and the Sunfire/Sebastian Shaw match)It basically came down to the fact ath while Slapstick may be able to do Cartoon things (like stretch his arms and whatnot) he is not in a cartoon, so he would be somewhat limited.

Quasar

Thing

 

[Harlekin]

That's Slapstick's greatest strength. Being a cartoon in a world that isn't a cartoon allows him to have virtually no limits, if that makes any sense at all. He can do all the wacky stuff, but other people can't.

Scalphunter - Just a tad more convincing
Slapstick - Obviously
Quasar - Even Wolverine25th knows she can't win this
Thing - You debate, you get it

 

[Hellstormer]

Bloodstorm

Slapstick

Quasar

Cardiac

 

[wiegeabo]

Tough matches in this thread.


Bloodstorm (Very tough to call. I'm thinking Hunter could win this match most of the time, especially with info on her. But with no info, B-Storm's got a good edge.)

Abyss (Again, tough to call.)

Quasar

Thing (Easily would have been too close to call with debates on both sides. I still almost voted for Cardiac.)

 

[Iceman]

Scalphunter
Abyss
Quasar
Thing