Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[JewishHobbit]

God I don't want to rematch Mercury and Deadgirl.

 

[Phaedrus45]

God I don't want to rematch Mercury and Deadgirl.

And, next time the matches are in Subterranea. That's going to be a cool location; not sure how it will effect whoever is participating. Caves and tunnels...wahoo!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Growing Man currently beating Speedball 14-0
Ultron currently beating Starfox 11-3
Dead Girl currently tied with Mercury 7-7
Iceman currently beating Snowbird 12-2

 

[Darthphere]

Growing Man
Starfox
Mercury
Iceman

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Growing Man beat Speedball 14-0
Ultron beat Starfox 11-3
Mercury beat Dead Girl 8-7
Iceman beat Snowbird 13-2

 

[Harlekin]

Well, nicely done Wolverine.

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 5,

Match 15:

Exodus (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Ozymandias (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio



Match 16:

Red Skull (POWDERMAN) bio



vs.

Charcoal (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

BRACKET 6,

Match 15:

Unuscion (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Wiccan (HIPPY FASCIST) bio



Match 16:

Sandman (HIPPY FASCIST) bio



vs.

Nitro (DARTHPHERE) bio

 

[Phaedrus45]

Location:

Subterranea is a fictional realm beneath the earth's surface in the Marvel Comics universe. Subterranea is a system of massive caves and tunnels, some large enough to hold cities, that are inhabited by the various races of Subterraneans. The first recorded entrance to Subterranea was found at Monster Island.

 

[kytrigger]

Match 15:

Exodus (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Ozymandias (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

This is a pretty one-sided battle here. In one corner, we have Exodus one of the most powerful mutants there is, a mutant so powerful he can erase Xavier's psychic mind wipes and physically has taken on the Avengers and the X-Men at the same time. In the other corner we have Ozymandias, who is basically Apacolypse's secretary. His powers are that he can sometimes see into the future, can animate his own carvings, and apparently never gets writer's cramp.

As for prep time, both know each other. Both have intereacted with Apacolypse and would have undoubtedly met before, so that advantage really goes to nobody.

Power wise, like I stated earlier, Ozymandias is just outclassed on many levels. The few times he has had to battle, he usually has his carving animate and do it for him, but he won't have those. He might be able to carve a thing out of the rock there, but I doubt it will be more than that.

Exodus on the other hand, has psychic powers strong enough to make an entire country go to war with itself, invulnerability, super strength, flight and teleportation, force beames, I mean the list just keeps going.

BAsically the battle would play out where Exodus would track Ozymandias with his telepathic powers and once he found him would basically just kill him in 1 of a 100 different ways. It he was feeling nice, he might ask Ozymandias how he wants to die, but I doubt it since he hates Apacolypse and I am sure he hates the altered inferior human Ozymandias too.

Winner-Exodus

 

[kytrigger]

Match 15:

Unuscion (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Wiccan (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

This is an interesting batlle because while Wiccan is more powerful than Unuscion, he is is own greatest enemy.

Powerwise, Unuscion can create a psychic exoskeleton that protects her from harm and raises her strength. If she grabs you with it, she can also kill you by frying your brain, somethign she won't really hesitate to do since she's one of those crazy fanatic types.

Wiccan, can fly, shoot lightning, and chant mantras that allow him to use magic.

Prep time wise, I don't know if it goes to either combatant, because I'm not sure if either would no each other at all.

Now onto the part where Wiccan is his own greatest enemy. The kid is mentally fragile. I mean he gets his magical powers from reading self-help books for Christ's sake. So while he has always been a little fragile, he recentlyalmost killed someoen with his powers. In fact he chanted that he wanted him to die (as he must with his powers) While the person survived, it messed with Wiccan. He kept crying saying how he didn't want to go to the darkside and everything.

Whiel this is understandable (I mean he's just a kid) it will still mess with him in this battle. The thought of killing someoen is ingrained in his head and will keep him form using his full potential. He'll be holding back, and whiel htat's plenty bad, couple that with his limited experience and Wiccan has some real problems. Especially against a fanatic like Unnuscion who won't hesitate to run up to the boy and kill him. She will take advantage of his holding back and kill him on the first strike. He won't even get a second chance to realize the error of his ways.

Winner- Unuscion

 

[hippy fascist]

Charcoal vs Red Skull

This should be an easy match .Without his minions RS is pretty limited. He has a captain america physiology...that's it. Charcoal can turn himself into solid diamond or pretty much any form of carbon. Either he hammers red skull in his diamond form or burns him to a crisp in his flaming form. RS is gonna get pwned.

WINNER: CHARCOAL!

 

[hippy fascist]

Wiccan vs Unuscion

Ok so wiccan was one of my top picks and with very good reason, he's one of the most flexible characters operating in the marvel universe today. A quick summary of his powers

As Wiccan, Billy Kaplan possesses a spellcasting talent that may or may not be related to a reality warping power. While patterning himself after Thor in the guise of Asgardian, Billy limited himself entirely to flight and lightning based spells. By stating an intent and focusing on the outcome, Wiccan is capable of a variety of feats, including, but not limited to tracking and locating others, illusionary disguises, tearing down forcefields, mass teleportation, concussive blasts, enchantments, and telekinetic force beams.

ok so a quick run through how many ways Billy is going to kick Unuscion's ass.

Billy can fly and many of the caves have high ceilings. This is going to make it easy for him to stay away from any of carmella's main attacks and billy's an experienced flyer so dodging any ranged attacks would prove a problem.
Ok so we know it would be nigh on impossible for her to hit him, now how do we attack.

Well there are several options. For one he can cast a locating spell so finding her should only take a matter of minutes. Then we are faced with three options.

1.Billy can use his magic to "tear down" her psychic forcefield. Her main weakness is that anything that can disrupt her shield or break through it results in an instant psychic backlash known to knock her out.

2. If billy can't tear it down he can simply batter her with lightning bolts and psychic blasts. Eventually something will get through and it's not like she'll be able to return the favour. In fact just to survive this she'd have to focus all of her power on her shield. Eventually one shot will get through and the aforementioned psychic backlash will occur. Lights out

3. If the above two don't work the final ace up billy's sleeve is his teleportation spells. If he can't break through the shield he can simply teleport her out of the viscinity. Ring out = Wiccan Victorious.

WINNER: WICCAN!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Wow. That's practically posting at the last minute for Hippy!

 

[hippy fascist]

This is an interesting batlle because while Wiccan is more powerful than Unuscion, he is is own greatest enemy.

Powerwise, Unuscion can create a psychic exoskeleton that protects her from harm and raises her strength. If she grabs you with it, she can also kill you by frying your brain, somethign she won't really hesitate to do since she's one of those crazy fanatic types.

Exactly a clawing brawler vs a powerful magic caster. She doesn't stand a chance.

Wiccan, can fly, shoot lightning, and chant mantras that allow him to use magic.

And powerful magic it is indeed!

Prep time wise, I don't know if it goes to either combatant, because I'm not sure if either would no each other at all.

Agreed although unuscione will see billy's powers appear over the course of the fight whereas most of carmella's will be pretty obvious from the start.

Now onto the part where Wiccan is his own greatest enemy. The kid is mentally fragile. I mean he gets his magical powers from reading self-help books for Christ's sake. So while he has always been a little fragile, he recentlyalmost killed someoen with his powers. In fact he chanted that he wanted him to die (as he must with his powers) While the person survived, it messed with Wiccan. He kept crying saying how he didn't want to go to the darkside and everything.

Not admissable as cannon since the mini was incomplete as of the start of the contest. Also while he may be wanda's kid but he's not crazy. He lacks confidence yes but he's perfectly sane and capable of great courage when necessary. Also (while the point isn't admissable but I'll still answer it anyway...) all of the methods for taking her down I have listed are completely non-lethal. He will have no problem with knocking her out/teleporting her away. Finally if anyone mental instability is going to prove a problem it's carmella's. She is unhinged and savage. Wiccan will calmly take her to pieces while flying overhead.

Whiel this is understandable (I mean he's just a kid) it will still mess with him in this battle. The thought of killing someoen is ingrained in his head and will keep him form using his full potential. He'll be holding back, and whiel htat's plenty bad, couple that with his limited experience and Wiccan has some real problems. Especially against a fanatic like Unnuscion who won't hesitate to run up to the boy and kill him. She will take advantage of his holding back and kill him on the first strike. He won't even get a second chance to realize the error of his ways.

As I said, not mentally fragile, just lacking in confidence but even that has started to disapear thanks to teddy. Wiccan is in a good place right now and he is perfectly equipped for this fight. Carmella needs to get in close to use her powers and wiccan won't let her. He'll be well out of reach allowing him to simply take potshots at the savage beast below. She's simply over-powered

WINNER: WICCAN!

 

[hippy fascist]

Sandman Vs. Nitro

Again this location just seems to be perfect for all of my characters this week

Here's the plan sandman can basically scatter himself to the wind on this one spreading out over as large an area of the caves as possible. It's dark down there and I believe there would be a signicant ammount of sand in caves to boost his physical form (need a geology confirmation on this one )

He can essentially lie in wait for nitro and suddenly reform behind him and with a physical strength equal to ben grimm(!) smack nitro in the back of the head.

If nitro manages to get his explosions off, what is that going to do to sandman. He can reassemble his body at will meaning most of nitro's attacks would have little or no effect on him. Also sandman could simply form a hard shell around nitro, containing the explosion. Nitro has been proven to suffer extreme exhaustion from exploding too many times in a short space of time when he took on tony stark. I just can't see how he could win this match.

a quick note on his endurance and powers in general

The Sandman has the ability to transform into a malleable sand-like substance which can be hardened, dispersed, or shaped according to his will. Even if his body is blown apart he is capable of reforming it.

This guy is nitro's worst nightmare and this will be an easy win for sandman.

WINNER: SANDMAN!

 

[hippy fascist]

Wow. That's practically posting at the last minute for Hippy!

Hey it's only saturday

I bought a new car today so I had to go and pick it up. Hence the lateness

 

[kytrigger]

Rebuttal

Ok so wiccan was one of my top picks and with very good reason, he's one of the most flexible characters operating in the marvel universe today. A quick summary of his powers


ok so a quick run through how many ways Billy is going to kick Unuscion's ass.

Billy can fly and many of the caves have high ceilings. This is going to make it easy for him to stay away from any of carmella's main attacks and billy's an experienced flyer so dodging any ranged attacks would prove a problem.

Flexible? Yes. And definately will be a very powerful character in a few years with some experience, but not so much right now. He is still very young, and still actually learning the full extent of his powers. He won't go trying things he doesn't have a firm grip on unless he's in a bind, he'll generally stick to what he knows, which is flying and lightning.

Also, While he could definately dodge a few of her attacks with his flying, he has rarely (if ever) seen a projectile atttack that followed him and changes shape as it attacks. He would more than likely dodge the first attack, and think it is gone when Unuscione turns the sucker around on him and grabs him from behind with her "exoskeleton of doom" thing. And once he gets hit once, he is screwed. If the actually fall wouldn't kill him, then Unuscione wouldn't hesitate at all to kill him once he hit the ground, still paralyzed from her attack..

Well there are several options. For one he can cast a locating spell so finding her should only take a matter of minutes. Then we are faced with three options.

1.Billy can use his magic to "tear down" her psychic forcefield. Her main weakness is that anything that can disrupt her shield or break through it results in an instant psychic backlash known to knock her out.

You make it sound like this is an easy task to "tear down" her force field. SHe has used it sheild herself (and others at the same time) from re-entry into the earth's atmosphere. Wiccan has never shown that much power.

2. If billy can't tear it down he can simply batter her with lightning bolts and psychic blasts. Eventually something will get through and it's not like she'll be able to return the favour. In fact just to survive this she'd have to focus all of her power on her shield. Eventually one shot will get through and the aforementioned psychic backlash will occur. Lights out

Her "exoskeleton" doesn't just wrap tightly around her like a normal exoskeleton, she can control the shape of it quite a bit. So while most of it is around her protecting her, a part of it jets out to attack Wiccan. And remember, just one hit form even a part of her exoskeleton, and he is paralyzed.

3. If the above two don't work the final ace up billy's sleeve is his teleportation spells. If he can't break through the shield he can simply teleport her out of the viscinity. Ring out = Wiccan Victorious.

Has Wiccan ever even done this to an enemy before? He's not very skilled yet at teleporting people and I doubt he would just teleport her for fear of accidently teleportin gher into a wall and killing her. Also, once Wiccan stops throwing Lightning at her and tries to chant up a spell, he is screwed. Ubuscione will take instant advantage of that lull and attack him right away.


Winner- Unuscione

 

[kytrigger]

Exactly a clawing brawler vs a powerful magic caster. She doesn't stand a chance.

Yes she does! t:

And powerful magic it is indeed!

yeah, when he can get it to work...

Agreed although unuscione will see billy's powers appear over the course of the fight whereas most of carmella's will be pretty obvious from the start.

Not really. Wiccan won't know she can alter the shape of her exoskeleton and control it no matter where it is(unlike most other projectiles where they are out of control once they leave the person's hand/eyes/whatever). It also doesn't matter that it is her only power seeing as how it is plenty to actually kill him. While Wiccan might have s=more diverse set of attacks he won't get to use since he'll be dead pretty shortly after the fighting begins.

Not admissable as cannon since the mini was incomplete as of the start of the contest. Also while he may be wanda's kid but he's not crazy. He lacks confidence yes but he's perfectly sane and capable of great courage when necessary. Also (while the point isn't admissable but I'll still answer it anyway...) all of the methods for taking her down I have listed are completely non-lethal. He will have no problem with knocking her out/teleporting her away. Finally if anyone mental instability is going to prove a problem it's carmella's. She is unhinged and savage. Wiccan will calmly take her to pieces while flying overhead.

Really? well, I'll take your word for it then. (this is the problem for me in the tourney since I don't actually collect comics, I'm just a trade reader, so I have a tough time with where the storyline's start and end on the newer stuff)

So while he isn't mentally fragile like I said, he is still extremely inexperienced. He is also doing somethign in this tourney that he rarely (if ever) does, and that is fight alone. He's used to getting help and counting on it where here he isn't. Couple that with lack of experience, and just being a kid, and he still isn't on his A-game, which is something you will need to defeat someone as ruthless as Unuscione.

Also, Unuscione isn't savage, she is just devout. She is very experienced and is definately willing (and likely) to kill, but that doesn't make her savage. She's still smart (at least tactically speaking).

As I said, not mentally fragile, just lacking in confidence but even that has started to disapear thanks to teddy. Wiccan is in a good place right now and he is perfectly equipped for this fight. Carmella needs to get in close to use her powers and wiccan won't let her. He'll be well out of reach allowing him to simply take potshots at the savage beast below. She's simply over-powered

Yeah, Teddy who is always there to help in the fight for Wiccan, along with the rest of the team. But he is all alone. Teddy has helped him with his confidence, but there is almost no better way to destroy that than by taking Teddy away from him, which this battle has done. Honestly, he has become dependent on Teddy and the others, as they all have one each other. Most of them have little experience anyway, and almost none in fighting a one-on-one battle. This is Wiccan in a completely foreign place, without his team, and against a foe he has never faced. He won't know what to do, and will hesitate, and that will be his downfall to the more experienced Unuscione.



Winner-Unuscione

 

[hippy fascist]

Flexible? Yes. And definately will be a very powerful character in a few years with some experience, but not so much right now. He is still very young, and still actually learning the full extent of his powers. He won't go trying things he doesn't have a firm grip on unless he's in a bind, he'll generally stick to what he knows, which is flying and lightning.

Actually moments when wiccan is in a life or death situation such as this is when his magic tends to work best. For example his teleporting of hawkeye when mr hyde was about to crush her head. Or how he had no problems being an extremely effective caster when a skrull army invaded. He was fighting shoulder to shoulder with cap and looked like a battle-veteran the whole time. Never flinched and held his own. When you can do that with a skrull army bearing down on you there is little you cannot acomplish. A savage mutant is going to leave billy just focussed enough to pull out all the stops. Also due to having relatively few published appearences his full limits are not known but often in battle new abilitis manifest themselves when most needed. Some scans:

Sheer power level and manifestation of new powers

An army of midgets

Enough to subdue both the young avengers and three full-blown avengers

Instantly taken out of the fight with a single thought. What is even more notable is that this is essentially a stasis like state. No harm has come to the midgets as they are each a small part of growing man. This means that any physical damage would result in them growing and becoming stronger. This spell(although there aren't even any words spoken suggestingthat he can cast at will but the words are simply a self belief booster) could easily bypass unuscione's shield as it is neither psychic nor physical in nature. This would instantly trap her in a stasis like state. Most notably however, since this is an attack bypassing her shields the psychic backlash would knock her out. But wait there's more!

Forcefield Removal

He seems unbeatable with his impenetrable forcefield. Wiccan decides to give a few last words in an attempt to save his friends from this most terrifying and fatal perils. He bravely leaps forward and gives one last attempt to win the day...

...And one panel later we see Kang minus his forcefield. EVEN IRON MAN COULDN'T BREAK THROUGH IT! When he is in a tight situation his magic comes through. It's like longshot's luck. It may not work on command, but when it has to work it does. Like nico's staff of one he always seems to cast the right spell for the job whether he intended to or not. Unuscione can't even come close to this kind of power. Also if you intend to point out that this drained billy greatly I might add that this kind of removal of carmella's forcefield would cause an instantaneous coma. She's going down the second her forcefield does so billy will throw everything he's got into that.

Also, While he could definately dodge a few of her attacks with his flying, he has rarely (if ever) seen a projectile atttack that followed him and changes shape as it attacks. He would more than likely dodge the first attack, and think it is gone when Unuscione turns the sucker around on him and grabs him from behind with her "exoskeleton of doom" thing. And once he gets hit once, he is screwed. If the actually fall wouldn't kill him, then Unuscione wouldn't hesitate at all to kill him once he hit the ground, still paralyzed from her attack..

Billy is patient, a planner and a thinker. He will use the natural shadow in the cave to conceal his presence until the time is right to strike. Carmella on the other hand, being the savage she is will have her exoskeleton up from the get go. She will be lit up like a big red neon sign Making her easy for billy to spot her a mile away leaving only the words "I want to disable unuscione's forcefield, I want to disable unuscione's forcefield..."

Billy will destroy her before she even know's what is happening and will feel no prior regret as he will be unaware that taking down her forcefield in this way might kill her. He will simply see it as exposing his enemy to attacks.

And with regards the projectiles, billy can easily throw up a forcefield to block them.

You make it sound like this is an easy task to "tear down" her force field. SHe has used it sheild herself (and others at the same time) from re-entry into the earth's atmosphere. Wiccan has never shown that much power.

The point is that with wiccan's powers it's not about how strong or weak the forcefield is. His powers are magical in nature and he doesn't simply tear a forcefield down. He simply wills it out of existence. It's almost like wishing. Carmella's forcefield has shown great feats of endurance against physical threats but billy will be simply erasing it from existence. There is no defence against that.

Her "exoskeleton" doesn't just wrap tightly around her like a normal exoskeleton, she can control the shape of it quite a bit. So while most of it is around her protecting her, a part of it jets out to attack Wiccan. And remember, just one hit form even a part of her exoskeleton, and he is paralyzed.

Range is going to play a major factor here. She is extremely limited so wiccan will be looking to fight in one of the larger chambers allowing him to exploit the height factor. Carmella on the other hand is a savage zealot not used to forming traps so is unlikely to lure him into narrow tunnels. Besides that the only time he will be close enough to attack is when he comes in to remove her forcefield. One of two things will happen here. Either it will be removed before it hits or will just catch him in time. The first method means that wiccan will remain unscathed and carmella will be in a coma/dead. The second means wiccan will be temporarily paralyzed while carmella will STILL BE DEAD/IN A COMA

Easy victory for wiccan. She's simply outclassed.

WINNER: WICCAN!

 

[hippy fascist]

Yes she does! t:

No she doesn't

yeah, when he can get it to work...

Which they do tend to when he most needs them to. The only time I can think of when they failed is when he tried to heal the superskrull. However his powers were unnecessary since the SS could heal himself. I beleive that this is the actual reason for the power failure.

Not really. Wiccan won't know she can alter the shape of her exoskeleton and control it no matter where it is(unlike most other projectiles where they are out of control once they leave the person's hand/eyes/whatever). It also doesn't matter that it is her only power seeing as how it is plenty to actually kill him. While Wiccan might have s=more diverse set of attacks he won't get to use since he'll be dead pretty shortly after the fighting begins.

Not really, as stated above wiccan will bide his time in the shadows waiting while carmella runs around like a rabid dog. He will watch her to first gauge her powers. Thee are various things that can make you jump in dark caverns such as these and in carmella's case she will not jump but instead lash out with her forcefield, quickly giving wiccan vital information as the nature of her powers. He'll see it the first few times and no to stay well away. Besides, the first time her engages her with lightning spells he will see what her shield can do an realise how pathetic the range is on the non projectile weapons. As I say, all he needs is five seconds to remove her forcfield. If he leaps out of the shadows carmella will not be quick enough to catch him.

Really? well, I'll take your word for it then. (this is the problem for me in the tourney since I don't actually collect comics, I'm just a trade reader, so I have a tough time with where the storyline's start and end on the newer stuff)

No biggie, Basically you have the twelve issues of young avengers, the annual and any guest appearances they have made pre-civil war to go on. Which isn't much...

So while he isn't mentally fragile like I said, he is still extremely inexperienced. He is also doing somethign in this tourney that he rarely (if ever) does, and that is fight alone. He's used to getting help and counting on it where here he isn't. Couple that with lack of experience, and just being a kid, and he still isn't on his A-game, which is something you will need to defeat someone as ruthless as Unuscione.

Just to hammer home the "billy has no problems with extreme battle circumstances" argument another scan:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r154/hippy_fascist/YoungAvengers12-010-011.jpg

Seems perfectly happy there to me. Completely in control despite both armies of kree and skrulls bearing down on him and his team-mates. Even finds time to stop and have a quick chat with cap. This guy is levelheaded when it counts and he will take unuscione to pieces.

In fact, i've never been able to find any references to wiccan freezing up in a fight.

Also, Unuscione isn't savage, she is just devout. She is very experienced and is definately willing (and likely) to kill, but that doesn't make her savage. She's still smart (at least tactically speaking).

Once she commit's to a kill it overwhelms her thoughts like lady deathstrike making her irrational and easy to trap as wiccan will do as explained above.

Yeah, Teddy who is always there to help in the fight for Wiccan, along with the rest of the team. But he is all alone. Teddy has helped him with his confidence, but there is almost no better way to destroy that than by taking Teddy away from him, which this battle has done. Honestly, he has become dependent on Teddy and the others, as they all have one each other. Most of them have little experience anyway, and almost none in fighting a one-on-one battle. This is Wiccan in a completely foreign place, without his team, and against a foe he has never faced. He won't know what to do, and will hesitate, and that will be his downfall to the more experienced Unuscione.

Uh, not really with iron-lad gone wiccan is now the powerhouse of the group. Even teddy cannot match up to his power. He is the guy who fixes things when the world is coming down and no-one else can save him. Teddy helped him with his confidence butthat was more of a social aspect of the character. When battle has required it wiccan has always pulled out all the stops. He will give carmella the worst defeat of her life. To be honest i would find it harder to try to think of a way for him to lose than the many ways he could thrash her into the middle of next week. She's going down and it's going to be painfull!

WINNER: WICCAN!

 

[kytrigger]

Actually moments when wiccan is in a life or death situation such as this is when his magic tends to work best. For example his teleporting of hawkeye when mr hyde was about to crush her head. Or how he had no problems being an extremely effective caster when a skrull army invaded. He was fighting shoulder to shoulder with cap and looked like a battle-veteran the whole time. Never flinched and held his own. When you can do that with a skrull army bearing down on you there is little you cannot acomplish. A savage mutant is going to leave billy just focussed enough to pull out all the stops. Also due to having relatively few published appearences his full limits are not known but often in battle new abilitis manifest themselves when most needed.

True, he has shown abilities when most needed, but only when he has Teddy or the rest ofthe team holding his hand the entire way. Once again, he has become way too dependent on them. He is definately most powerful when trying to protect the ones he loves and they are there to help give him the confidence he needs to actually use the magic. That is a confidence he has never shown on his own.

I might be interpretting htis completely wrong, but he didn't stop the army of midgets. The ystopped on their own when Iron Lad showed that he was a young Kang. They stopped and reported to old Kang that they had found him so they sent the signal and their job was done, not because of Wiccan.

Forcefield Removal

He seems unbeatable with his impenetrable forcefield. Wiccan decides to give a few last words in an attempt to save his friends from this most terrifying and fatal perils. He bravely leaps forward and gives one last attempt to win the day...

...And one panel later we see Kang minus his forcefield. EVEN IRON MAN COULDN'T BREAK THROUGH IT! When he is in a tight situation his magic comes through. It's like longshot's luck. It may not work on command, but when it has to work it does. Like nico's staff of one he always seems to cast the right spell for the job whether he intended to or not. Unuscione can't even come close to this kind of power. Also if you intend to point out that this drained billy greatly I might add that this kind of removal of carmella's forcefield would cause an instantaneous coma. She's going down the second her forcefield does so billy will throw everything he's got into that.

once again having to do it with the help of the others with him though. That is helkp he won't have. Wiccan's two biggest enemies are his lack of experience and his confidence. He needs confidence fo rhis spells to work and he rarely gets that from himself. Since he major source of confidence isn't actually at the battlefield, he won't be able to do nearly as impressive of magical feats.

Billy is patient, a planner and a thinker. He will use the natural shadow in the cave to conceal his presence until the time is right to strike. Carmella on the other hand, being the savage she is will have her exoskeleton up from the get go. She will be lit up like a big red neon sign Making her easy for billy to spot her a mile away leaving only the words "I want to disable unuscione's forcefield, I want to disable unuscione's forcefield..."

Stop calling her a savage. She isn't one. She's supremely devout, but still intelligent. And while she will have her exoskeleton up right away for protection, she will be just as visible as Wiccan. Look at every single picture you posted of Wiccan. Even when he is just hovering in the air he is wrapped in electric-type bolts. He will be just as visible. As for him just chanting her exoskeleton away, I've already gone over how his magic won't work as well, but also he wouldn't try that right away. He is still undure about a lot of his powers, so he would first start out with somethign that he is comfortable with, like his lightning bolts.

Also, there is no proof that just wishing away her exoxkeleton (if he even could) would actually knock her out. The reason she is knocked out or stunned when her exoskeleton breaks is because of the force that actually broke through th eexoskeleton. Simply wishing it away creates no actual force. IF he could even bring it down there is just as good of a chacne that it woldn't even affect her at all, and she could just bring it back up again.

The point is that with wiccan's powers it's not about how strong or weak the forcefield is. His powers are magical in nature and he doesn't simply tear a forcefield down. He simply wills it out of existence. It's almost like wishing. Carmella's forcefield has shown great feats of endurance against physical threats but billy will be simply erasing it from existence. There is no defence against that.

Same thing I said above...you know the whoel "he won't be able to do the spell, and IF he could, it wouldn't knock her out"...

Range is going to play a major factor here. She is extremely limited so wiccan will be looking to fight in one of the larger chambers allowing him to exploit the height factor. Carmella on the other hand is a savage zealot not used to forming traps so is unlikely to lure him into narrow tunnels. Besides that the only time he will be close enough to attack is when he comes in to remove her forcefield. One of two things will happen here. Either it will be removed before it hits or will just catch him in time. The first method means that wiccan will remain unscathed and carmella will be in a coma/dead. The second means wiccan will be temporarily paralyzed while carmella will STILL BE DEAD/IN A COMA

HJow is her range limited? She can shoot her exoskeleton like a projectile or just expand it so it is still around her but growing taking up room.

Also, besides pointing out again that she isn't a savage and is quite smart I would also liek to point out that she doesn't always get knocked out form her exoskeleton being destroyed. Sometimes she is stunned, sometimes she is knocked out. This whole idea of her being in a coma and dying is a complete mystery to me. And like you have said before, absolutely no force is being applied if he were to take down her shield so there is baically no backlash which means she won't pass out and probably won't even be stunned.

Bascially since Wiccan doesn't have the rest of his team which he is dependent on, his chances of winning are extremely slim. He doesn't have the confidence to actually pull off any of his magical feats, and doesn't have any experience fighting by himself. He'll shoot some lightning, realize it won't work, try some magic, realize he can't do it, and then will frak out because he won't know what to do. Usually when this happens he has teddy there to help him or Cap there to order him, but this time he is all alone.

Winner- Unuscione

 

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Voting May Begin!

 

[Harlekin]

Exodus
Charcoal
Wiccan - Awesome debate.
Sandman

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Exodus

*Red Skull - (This is the Red Skull we're talking about. He would know everything about Charcoal with all his connections, and would come prepared.)

*Unuscion - (Excellent debate. I went back and forth, but I thought the pictures really showed how Wiccan needs a team to help out and even tell him what to do at times. His youth and inexperience would be his downfall.)

*Sandman - (I might have voted for Nitro, but he wasn't debated. And, Sandman had a good debate to back him up.)