Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Voting May Begin!!!

Voting will last until Tuesday, unless it seems like we need another day.
 
Super-Adaptoid
Madman (this was tough to decide)
Apocalypse (Sue's just outmatched)
Her
 
Meggan - Impressive debate, and Limbo's effect on Meggan will make sure she won't hesitate a second to do what needs to be done.
Magneto - Mags' forcefield will be strong enough to garantuee him victory here.
Apocalypse
Kurse -
Nice strategy for Her, but she's too reckless for it.
 
*Super Adaptoid - (Meggan gets screwed by the location.)

*Madman - (Again, location screws Magneto, otherwise he'd take this.)

*Apocalypse - (Invisible Woman had a good chance; but, without a debate, what else could I do.)

*Her - (Kurse gets screwed by facing Her in Limbo. First, Her has been around the block, and wouldn't go into this match without finding a weakness in her opponent. Second, Kurse might be effected by this location being Limbo and not being in Asgard. Finally, in my opinionthis isn't the most powerful version, as augmented by the Beyonder. I don't believe the Beyonder's double-augmentation is the actual Kurse. From what I understand, Kurse was made by The Beyonder. At one point, Kurse had his power augmented even further on one occasion, and I don't see anything that states this was kept. Again, this is my opinion.)
 
Meggan
Magneto (Mags can do more than just toss metal around)
Apocalypse (Susan can come to my place to nurse her wounds)
Kurse (the power)
 
Super Adaptoid (I just think it would be a bit too much for Meggan plus
Magneto (Madman does not have the healing abilities Hulk has)
Apocalypse (Way too much power for Sue)
Kurse
 
Super-Adaptoid-awesome debate that almost had me change to Meggan, but SA wins out just barely
Magneto
Apocolypse
Kurse-another really good debate
 
Apocalypse (Even though I hate the character :mad: )
Her (Speed was the key here)
Magneto (even with all the differences the laws of magnetism still apply)
Super Adaptoid (Megan's powers are keyed into nature, limbo takes her out of the fight)
 
Final Results:

Super Adaptoid beat Meggan 7-3
Magneto beat Madman 7-3
Apocalypse beat Invisible Woman 10-0
Her tied with Kurse 5-5
 
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BRACKET 7,

Match 5:

Thor (HARLEKIN) bio

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vs.

Cyclops (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

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Match 6:

Diablo (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

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vs.

Nick Fury (WIEGEABO) bio

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BRACKET 8,

Match 5:

Paibok the Power Skrull (HIPPY FASCIST) bio

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vs.

Storm (JEWISHHOBBIT) bio

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Match 6:

Justice (HARLEKIN) bio

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vs.

Clea (WIEGEABO) bio

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LOCATION: S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier

The Helicarrier, an aircraft carrier specifically designed to be itself capable of independent powered flight in addition to the conventional functions of aircraft carriers, is the signature capital ship of the fictional intelligence/defence agency S.H.I.E.L.D.

(Everyone will start on either side of the Helicarrier bridge, and you have to stay within a mile of the carrier. It's very likely with some battles the carrier might crash; if it does, let's figure it crashes in farmland in Kansas somewhere. That way, there really isn't that many people the participants can come across on the ground. Of course, the helicarrier needs people to fly the carrier; but, they will not engage in battle unless they are engaged.)
 
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Kurse is one of the most powerful creatures in the Marvel Universe. His strength is off the charts. He is over 4 times as strong as Thor.

First of all here is a ranking of his powers:

Strength: (currently) Incalculable (12/12)
Speed: Enhanced Human (5/10)
Stamina: Immeasurable (10/10)
Durability: Demi-godlike (11/14)
Agility: Enhanced Human (5/7)
Reflexes: Enhanced Human (5/7)

The Beyonder changed Kurse's physiology and he has armour grafted onto his skin. It took all the combinned magic of both Mjollnir and Stormbringer (draining them of all their energy) used by Energiser of the Power Pack to knock him out. Her does not have that kind of power at her disposal.

One thing to note the Beyonder permanently augmented him and did not gave him temporary powers.

Kurse's powers

Kurse possesses a number of superhuman attributes as a result of his natural physiology and mystical augmentation.

Kurse possesses vast superhuman strength, the exact limits of which are unknown. Kurse's strength, originally, is roughly equal to that of Thor. However, at a later time, the nearly omnipotent being known as the Beyonder, increase's Kurse's strength to the point that he is twice as strong as Thor. As a result, Thor uses his Belt of Strength, which doubles his strength, in order to match Kurse. As a result, however, the Beyonder enhanced Kurse's strength once again. While the upper limit of Kurse's strength is a mystery, his strength is much greater than Thor's.

Aside from his great strength, Kurse's body is highly resistant to all forms of physical injury. Kurse is able to withstand the force of great impacts, falls from tremendous heights, temperature extremes, and powerful energy blasts without sustaining injury. However, it is possible to injure or incapacitate Kurse. Kurse has been rendered unconscious when Energizer, a member of the superhero team known as the Power Pack takes all energy/magic from both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker and blasts Kurse, draining both hammers until Beyonder restored their magic. Also, like all members of the Dark Elves, Kurse is mystically vulnerable to iron. Weapons composed of iron can cause him harm whereas weapons forged of other materials won't.

Kurse's enchanted armour is fused to his skin and has become a part of his body, which helps to supplement his body's already high resistance to physical injury. Kurse has the ability to sense and track his opponents over large distances and can see through illusions and disguises his opponents may be wearing.

Given that they fought last week they are going to have aqn inkling of each other.

Her is a powerful being with class 70 strength and cosmic blasts. But she falls short of many other powerful beings such as Thor and Beta Ray Bill which were both defeated individually by Kurse.

Her has nothing in her arsenal that can knock out Kurse. At best she can avoid him for awhile but he is a creature that never stops and never gives up. He would see through any illusions she could and nothing could stop him. One thing to note is that his weakness is mitigated by the armour grafted onto his skin.

This will take some time as Her can protract the battle once again but there can be only one result to somebody who was able to soundly defeat Thor as the picture above shows.


Winner - Kurse
 
Kurse vs Her

I just want to add one thing given I did not refer to location. Kurse is obviously not a flier but crashing the helicarrier is absolutely not an issue and given the combattants that is likely. An excerp of his powers:

"Kurse is able to withstand the force of great impacts, falls from tremendous heights, temperature extremes, and powerful energy blasts without sustaining injury."

One this battle is on the plains of Oklahoma it is only a matter of time until Kurse takes Her out.
 
OPENING COMMENTS: Thor vs Cyclops

I like Cyclops a lot, but I'm afraid he is outmatched here, and by a fair bit too. Both of these characters will know each other, and neither gains a distinct advantage with the location. What it comes down to is power. Neither can fully cut loose in this environment, but even then, Thor harnesses a lot more power than Cycke does.

- In physical combat, Cyclops is toast. He's only a mortal.
- When it comes to energy, Thor beats Cyclops out any day. Not only is his supply of power greater, is the power itself greater, but Thor has the ability to absorb energy via his hammer as well.
- Most importantly, endurance. Thor greatly outclasses Cyclops here, and that will be Cycke's downfall. He'll keep Thor busy for a bit, if only because Thor won't finish the fight immediately out of respect for his opponent. Thing is, Thor can take and dish out a lot more than Cyclops can handle.

I'm sorry, but Thor can't help but win this.

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WINNER=THOR
 
Storm Vs Paibok

Okay, at first while reading Paibok's bio, I thought I was screwed as Paibok has the powers of not only Storm, but Colossus and Iceman as well. I thought "How can Storm defeat someone whose her plus two of the other greatest X-Men made... plus Hypnosis and Shapechanging?"

Here's the thing though... the more I think about it the more I think Storm has an excellent chance of winning this match. I have several reasons, but I'll get into that shortly.

First, I will stay that location doesn't really aid either character, though it does give a bit more familiority to Storm being on Earth. Paibok's been there, but as seen in the Drax mini, he hates it there and is uncomfortable. He'd rather leave than fight Earth's heroes.

As far as knowing one another.... I don't know that Storm would know Paibok. I know they've never met up, but I don't know how public he got during his days against the Fantastic Four. However, without knowing him, Storm sees his picture and knows his name is Paibok the Power Skrull. I think she's smart enough to realize that he's a skrull with the shape changing powers (which she's very familiar with, as she's fought them during the Twelve storyline). The "Power Skrull" part may tip her off at there being more to him, like the Super Skrull, and I'm pretty sure she'd know who he is... thus, I think she can figure out he's an above average Skrull... though I doubt she'd know about his other powers. If she does know Super Skrull then she may study him and learn about his powers. It won't help much, though she will have the Hypnosis thing in the back of her head. However, this is all speculation.

As for Paibok knowing Storm... possible, but again, I didn't read many of the Fantastic Four issues with him. I don't know if he knew about Storm when given his powers, or if some skrull geneticist studied her and just gave them to him without him knowing who she was. I'm just going to assume he can put two and two together about her name and get an idea as well.

Now... as to why I believe Storm has a good chance with this battle:

1) I have few Fantastic Four issues with him in it (371-374) and in it he battles the Human Torch alongside two others, and all he does is shoot a bolt of lightening and shape change. He never once uses Storm's powers in the Drax mini, nor Iceman's or Colossus'. So while I don't doubt he's a powerful warrior, he doesn't seem to be one to just go all out in a fight and utilize every power he has. In fact, many bios and issue reviews I've read just mentions him shooting lightning bolts and ice blasts from his hands, and that's about it. I think he can fly two if I'm not mistaken... but that's it. I didn't even see anything about him turning to steel. Not saying he can't but apparently it doesn't happen often enough for it to be mentioned.

From what I read, it's more in character for him to try and outsmart his opponant than fight on physical brute strength. However, Storm is very smart and would not fall for some of Paibok's tactics. There's no one around for Paibok to manipulate (as he likes to do... Lyja in the FF issues and Lunatik and the Blood Brothers in Drax), so what Paibok seems to do best, he can't do here.

2) Even IF Paibok came in full power.... he has powers of 3 X-Men, including Storm herself. What has Storm been training with and against her whole life? The X-Men! She's trained and knows Colossus' powers like the back of her hand, as well as Iceman's. She knows how they work and how to work around them and how to use them against them. I'd wager to even say that she knows them better than Paibok! As for his having her powers.... she has 100% control and experience with her powers and uses them to an extent that's frightening. Paibok may have her powers, but she'd better understand them as she knows better than Paibok how "Mother Nature" works. He may try to create lightening (or possibly gusts of winds and such if he can do that) but she would know how to turn those against him, amplify them, and add hail to go along with it... maybe even a tornado. She knows her powers, and she'd know how to counter them if they were thrown back at her.

Point is... Storm's trained against the X-Men most of her life and knows them well. Upon realizing that those are the power sets that paibok has, she'll simply think back on training sessions and know how to play the battle. She's one of the x-men's top strategic warriors. Trust me, she'll make it work!

Winner - Storm
 
Cyclops Vs Thor

Okay... yeah, Cyclops is outclassed here in all ways power... but I think there's something Cyclops has over Thor, and it's served him well in the past against greater opponants... his mind. He's a strategic genious, and since his posession by Apocalypse, he's more willing to use it in harsher ways. He knows Thor well and knows that he can't win a physical one on one confrontation, so he'd start thinking outside the box, in ways to get around a physical fight, at least at first. He'd know that he's going to the Shield Helecarrior, and he's been there before, so he'd plan as much as he can while there. He won't know any passwords for the Helecarrior, but he has a whole slew of technology that he can play with at the mansion. Shi'ar tech that's more safisticated than the Helecarrior I believe. I can picture him taking a pragram from it with him (cd, a piece of equipment, etc.) that he can use in the helecarrior to override things and get the codes (if he doesn't just go to the pilots and get the codes from them under threat. Not very Cyclopsy, but he's done such things before.

I can see Cyclops finding ways to use the Helecarrior against Thor by setting off security systems and what not. Perhaps in the prison cells (which Cyclops has once been a prisoner himself) he can perhaps try and trap Thor in a cell. This won't hold Thor, but none the less, Cyclops is playing head games. None of this is really that important... again, just mind games. Cyclops' big power play is coming. Oh, and by the way... Phaed did say that the people start on opposite ends of the ship... so this does give Cyke time to get his mind games started and played out.

I don't know what the Helecarrior offers or Cyke to use... and not having Cyke's mind, I don't know exactly what he can come up with, but we've seen in the past how his mind works and I believe he can. However, when push comes to shove I think Cyke knows that he'll need something to wear Thor down before a physical confrontation. My thinking then is that he will find his way to the pilot.while Thor is somewhere toward the middle levels of the Helecarrior. He will see that they are over farm land and no one's around, and he will take the pilot and blast out the front of the helecarrior and blast the controls, and leap. He's done it before where he uses his blast to blast the ground, slowing his decent until he lands fairly decently, and safely. While he is going straight down, the Helecarrior is falling at an angle, as Momentum does that, and then... BOOM it crashes and collides and explodes and so on and so on. Hey... Cyke's never been a big fan of the Helecarrior, or Shield, to begin with.

Now no, I don't think this would take out Thor... though I do feel that it would harm him quite a bit and tire him some. Think about it. In just seconds there's the force of the impact, the explosions and pressure, the fires and flighting and crushing scrapnal, there's the full weight of the helecarrior instantly pressing and crushing against you, potentially stabbing if it can get through Thor's skin. There's also all the electricity and such that could very easily electrocute Thor as it crushes him, etc. etc. etc. Crashes and explosions aren't just fire... it's a devistating thing.

After the Shield guys try to take down Cyke and loses fairly quickly, he will go toward the Helecarrior and somewhere in here I'm sure Thor will bust out and confront him. Now I would imagine that Thor would be warn down (he's a God... but physically he can be warn down, as has been shown time and time again in the past). Now comes the physical confrontation with a 100% Cyclops and a warn down Thor (couldn't tell ya how warn down). Now in a perfect one on one fight, Cyclops would probably fall... but Cyclops has had preptime to plan his attack, and the first stage is done, wearing Thor down some. Now he knows how to attack. Everyone and their brother knows Thor's primary weapon is his Hammer. Everyone also knows it's harder than heck to get him to drop it. Thor can absorb energy I believe through it, so a frontal blast won't do much... but Cyclops will plan this out and he's quite talented at ricocheted shots. Heck, in the Eve of Destruction arc he took out a whole army of Genoshan Warriors with one ricochetting shot in a matter of seconds. I can see him using the reckage behind Thor to ricochette a shot, and then firing another to distract Thor. Thor will think Cyclops missed the first one while dodging the second. Cyclops' shots have the power to shatter mountains. I'm imagining him firing off a little thin blast (he's done it before) that builds intensity and has such power built in that blast that as it ricochets, it turns back and cuts right through Thor's hand, cutting a hole right into it (hand, wrist, wherever). I would imagine this would make his hand reflex and the Hammer fall, and as soon as it does, BAM! Cyclops unleases a full force blast that slams right into Thor's head/chest, knocking him back into the rubble. Thor is a god, and he can take a lot, but as Cyclops keeps pooring these attacks on him, he'll eventually wear. His eye blasts are extremely powerful, and yes, they are powerful enough for Thor to feel them... especially a weakened Thor. Without his Hammer, Thor can't fly or generate or redirect energy, so he's more limited, and Cyclops will continue this onslaught. I don't know exactly what blow would take Thor down... perhaps a full impact blast up close... perhaps a line blast building intensity to Thor's temple... I don't know... but I believe Cyclops can find the method and pull it off.

Personally, I know that Thor will put up a bit more of a fight than I've portrayed, and I'd assume you'd know that as well, but I'm mostly just covering Cyclops' plan and how it would be played out. I don't mean to belittle Thor at all. Remember that Scott's a master strategist and that what Thor counters he can find a way around it. Scott Summers post-Apocalypse knowing all about his foe, his location, and having 24 hours to plan his attack... is a dangerous thing. Even if I haven't captured it well enough here... I firmly believe that the underdog could pull off a win. The underdog's been pulling off wins for years ... no reason to stop now.

And something else to think about: Thor is a powerhouse, but Cyclops is no slouch when it comes to defense. Thor has lightening and other elemental powers... Cyclops has strained many years against Storm and knows how to prepare for it. Thor has might... but Cyclops has trained against Colossus and others for years and knows how to counter it. Thor has flight... Cyclops has trained against Storm, Rogue, Jean, and many others and knows how to counter it. Thor has energy absorbtion.... but Cyclops has trained against Bishop for many years and knows how to counter it. Cyclops may not have fully fought Thor, but he's built up years of experience building to it... and you give him time to plan out his attack. Yeah, Cyke can totally pull this off.

Winner - Cyclops
 
Note: I just thought of something in regards to my own write up I thought I'd address. If there is more than one or two pilots, Cyke couldn't carry them all outside. Now Phaed said that there'd be pilots, but the place wouldn't be filled with Shield agents. Cyke would see this fairly quickly (especially if he gets access to the cameras using the Shi'ar tech to hack into the Shi'ar systems). Everyone knows that Shield has those handy dandy flying back packs, so Cyke may find a way to get them to the crew (and I assume precaution would allow them to be available in case something happens to the helecarrier). Push come to shove, Cyke would figure out where these things are and thrust them into the room before blowing the front out of the helecarrer... giving the pilots no choice but to done them. Again though, my guess.... and I'd assume Cyclops would think of this... is that they'd have the flying packs available for safety reasons (hey, Nick Fury isn't stupid nor suicidal). Again, once Cyclops and the flying Shield agents hit ground, Cyke would take them down fairly easily... but alas, this is a reason and way for Cyke to make sure the Shield agents are safetly on the ground and not caught in the explosion. Heh... I wonder if Cyke could figure out how to fly one and save him the hassle of optic slowing his fall?
 
REBUTTAL: Thor vs Cyclops
Okay... yeah, Cyclops is outclassed here in all ways power... but I think there's something Cyclops has over Thor, and it's served him well in the past against greater opponants... his mind.
Although I will admit it's not one of Thor's more spotlighted features, he's also quite the tactical leader. He has about 1000 years of experience of thinking outside of the box over Cyclops, so I don't think that's as great an edge as might be portrayed here.

He won't know any passwords for the Helecarrior, but he has a whole slew of technology that he can play with at the mansion. Shi'ar tech that's more safisticated than the Helecarrior I believe. I can picture him taking a pragram from it with him (cd, a piece of equipment, etc.) that he can use in the helecarrior to override things and get the codes (if he doesn't just go to the pilots and get the codes from them under threat. Not very Cyclopsy, but he's done such things before.
I could picture all of this if he were Beast or Shadowcat. One of the key rules of this competition is that characters can't use any resources that they haven't been shown using. Besides one or two panels, Cyclops has pretty much never operated any of this tech in the 40 years it's been there. I'd really like to see examples of him being A) able to get some sort of password-overriding virus, B) use it, C) that it even exists.

I can see Cyclops finding ways to use the Helecarrior against Thor by setting off security systems and what not. Perhaps in the prison cells (which Cyclops has once been a prisoner himself) he can perhaps try and trap Thor in a cell. This won't hold Thor, but none the less, Cyclops is playing head games. None of this is really that important... again, just mind games. Cyclops' big power play is coming. Oh, and by the way... Phaed did say that the people start on opposite ends of the ship... so this does give Cyke time to get his mind games started and played out.
Mind games that really won't bother Thor at all. He knows his opponent. Heck, Thor's known Cyclops since he and the original five were the only X-Men around. He's not going to be outplayed here. It doesn't really matter, since it's highly doubtful and speculative that Cycke would be able to assume control of the Helicarrier in such a manner.

However, when push comes to shove I think Cyke knows that he'll need something to wear Thor down before a physical confrontation. My thinking then is that he will find his way to the pilot.while Thor is somewhere toward the middle levels of the Helecarrior. He will see that they are over farm land and no one's around, and he will take the pilot and blast out the front of the helecarrior and blast the controls, and leap. He's done it before where he uses his blast to blast the ground, slowing his decent until he lands fairly decently, and safely. While he is going straight down, the Helecarrior is falling at an angle, as Momentum does that, and then... BOOM it crashes and collides and explodes and so on and so on. Hey... Cyke's never been a big fan of the Helecarrior, or Shield, to begin with.
Cyclops isn't going to just crash the Helicarrier, and it's doubtful it would be piloted by just one or even two men. I'm pretty sure it has a bridge similar to something like the Enterprise from Star Trek. Cycke isn't going to be able to barge in, make threats, and take over control just like that. Also, it would be highly dangerous to do the "blasting to evade falling to death thing", as the distance is far greater to overcome than any that he has in the past.

Besides, this is contingent on the idea that Thor would even let the Helicarrier crash. Lest we forget, he's got the strength and the elemental control to keep that puppy in the air.

Now no, I don't think this would take out Thor... though I do feel that it would harm him quite a bit and tire him some. Think about it. In just seconds there's the force of the impact, the explosions and pressure, the fires and flighting and crushing scrapnal, there's the full weight of the helecarrior instantly pressing and crushing against you, potentially stabbing if it can get through Thor's skin. There's also all the electricity and such that could very easily electrocute Thor as it crushes him, etc. etc. etc. Crashes and explosions aren't just fire... it's a devistating thing.
All of this is hinging on the idea that Thor would just stay motionless inside the carrier while it crashes (if it crashes). Let's even for a second assume that Thor would do nothing to stop it from crashing. He can fly out and be safe from harm you know. Cycke is more likely to get hurt from this than Thor, seeing as Cycke can't leap THAT far away to stay out of the way of the crashing Helicarrier. It hurts him more than it ever hurts Thor and it's a strategy that I severely doubt Cycke would try.

Now he knows how to attack. Everyone and their brother knows Thor's primary weapon is his Hammer. Everyone also knows it's harder than heck to get him to drop it. Thor can absorb energy I believe through it, so a frontal blast won't do much... but Cyclops will plan this out and he's quite talented at ricocheted shots. [...] I don't know exactly what blow would take Thor down... perhaps a full impact blast up close... perhaps a line blast building intensity to Thor's temple... I don't know... but I believe Cyclops can find the method and pull it off.
I cut some stuff out there to preserve space, but this strategy isn't really feasible. First off, Thor's hammer can be returned to him from anywhere, at any time. He'll have it back before Cycke can even pull out his attack. Cyclops' full powered blast (and he's going to be very worn down here considering he had to save himself using his optic blast from an incredible height) couldn't even take down Wolverine as Death. I severely doubt a severely weakened Cyclops (saving himself from that height would require A LOT of energy). It's just not happening.

And something else to think about: Thor is a powerhouse, but Cyclops is no slouch when it comes to defense. Thor has lightening and other elemental powers... Cyclops has strained many years against Storm and knows how to prepare for it. Thor has might... but Cyclops has trained against Colossus and others for years and knows how to counter it. Thor has flight... Cyclops has trained against Storm, Rogue, Jean, and many others and knows how to counter it. Thor has energy absorbtion.... but Cyclops has trained against Bishop for many years and knows how to counter it. Cyclops may not have fully fought Thor, but he's built up years of experience building to it... and you give him time to plan out his attack. Yeah, Cyke can totally pull this off.
And Thor has the 1000 year experience of a warrior. He's no stranger to any of this. Heck, he's trained with the Avengers as well. It's not just Cyclops countering Thor, but it's the other way around as well. Cyclops is an adept martial artist, but no match for Thor.

I'm sorry, but no, Cycke can't pull this off.

WINNER=THOR
 

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