Contest Of Marvels (Season 3) - Thread 2

[Harlekin]

Synch
Darkdevil
Trevor Fitzroy
Methinx

 

[JewishHobbit]

Final Results:

Fitzroy defeats Black Tarantula= 7-0

Methinx defeats Korvus = 6-1

Synch defeats Georgeous George = 5-2

Darkdevil defeats Dusk = 4-3

 

[JewishHobbit]

Great match Ahura. Votes don't reflected but I was sweating this one. As a cosmic fan who is LOVING War of Kings, I hate to see Korvus go. I like his character a lot.

 

[wiegeabo]

How can there be 8 votes in the Fitzroy match?

 

[JewishHobbit]

A mistype on my part. It was 7-0. I'll fix it now.

 

[CoMarvels]

Bracket 3
Round 2

Match 1:

Thing (HELLSTORMER) link

vs.

Taskmaster (VANGUARD07) link

Match 2:

Warlock-Phalanx (AHURAMAZDA)link

vs.

Astra (PHAEDRUS45)link

 

[CoMarvels]

Bracket 4
Round 2

Match 1:

Absorbing Man (AHURAMAZDA) link

vs.

Sentry (POWDER-MAN) link

Match 2:

Silhouette (WIEGEABO) link

vs.

Iceman (MIDNIGHTICE) link

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Match 2:

Warlock-Phalanx (AHURAMAZDA)link

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Astra (PHAEDRUS45)link

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This is an interesting match. One where Warlock will have to use his great mind. The location is the Vault and we know that the only participants are the combattants.

Regarding the information each will have on each other. I would think they would generaly know who they are facing. The one thing is Astra could be very afraid given she could be thinking that she is facing someone like Warlock's father.

Now, Warlock will prepare what he can for this battle knowing he faces someone from the Shiar imperial guard. It is also likely he will know her powers given his access to information. In any case, he will know perfectly well the location.

But first off lets take a look at how Marvel describes his powers.

Powers
As a member of the Technarchy, Warlock is a techno-organic being, without true form but constantly changing shape. He can also approximate any organic form as well-- appearing human when necessary. Warlock's physiology is also able to survive within the vacuum of space. When "feeding," he injects a techno-organic virus into an object, converting it into a techno-organic form like himself, and absorbing its energy into himself. Alternatively, he can absorb pure energy, like electricity from an outlet. Warlock was once identified as a mutant, as his "mutation" was his passivity that was uncharacteristic of the war-like tendencies of the rest of his race. Currently infused with nanotechnology, Warlock can repair his body as it is damaged. The technology allows his body to "upgrade," adapting to any given situation similar to the Sentinels' ability to adapt on the fly to a variety of mutant powers.

Weapons
Nanotechnology has enhanced Warlock's shape-shifting abilities to allow him to mimic not only forms but also weapons such as energy projectiles, force fields, and more advanced versions of the abilities that he had before Bastion infected him with nanotechnology.

As soon he gets to the scene he will meld into the walls as he can very well do as to be indistinguishable from the prison. He will also be able to sense all he touches. Now it is likely that he will morph into something that can affect people in any state even if they are intangible. It is possible because people in an intangible state can be hit by others if their density is matching per comic book logic which had astra hit shadowcat when she was intangible.

The reality of this fight is that there is nothing Astra can do to harm Warlock who can expand and become any shape imaginable not to mention can morph into any weapon he needs as well as being instantly repairable. And if I failed to mention it, he has access to allot of energy through the electrical wiring which provided the prison.

Winner - Warlock

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Bracket 4
Round 2

Match 1:

Absorbing Man (AHURAMAZDA) link

vs.

Sentry (POWDER-MAN) link

After thinking about this and realising hopw convoluted my arguments are I have decided to concede.

Winner - Sentry

 

[CoMarvels]

Debates May Begin!!!

Location: The Vault

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Vault

This should be nighttime, and the location is unoccupied.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Opening Debate: Astra vs. Warlock-Phalanx

Astra:

*Astra can alter her body's molecular density, allowing physical attacks to pass through her without harm and allowing her to pass through other objects or people without harm. By slightly solidifying herself inside another person, Astra can render them unconscious. While intangible, she can physically impact other intangible beings.

*Astra has used a Shi'ar anti-gravity device to fly.

Warlock:

*As a member of the Technarchy, Warlock is a techno-organic being, without true form but constantly changing shape. He can also approximate any organic form as well-- appearing human when necessary. Warlock's physiology is also able to survive within the vacuum of space. When "feeding," he injects a techno-organic virus into an object, converting it into a techno-organic form like himself, and absorbing its energy into himself. Alternatively, he can absorb pure energy, like electricity from an outlet. Warlock was once identified as a mutant, as his "mutation" was his passivity that was uncharacteristic of the war-like tendencies of the rest of his race. Currently infused with nanotechnology, Warlock can repair his body as it is damaged. The technology allows his body to "upgrade," adapting to any given situation similar to the Sentinels' ability to adapt on the fly to a variety of mutant powers.

Interesting match-up. I always think of Warlock as Marvel's version of Michael Jackson..."he's a lover, not a fighter." Sure, he'll fight when he absolutely needs to, but it's not in his nature to severely hurt someone. If Astra was taking on his father, she'd be in much bigger danger.

While neither will know of the location, the fact is that Astra will know of the Phalanx. It was the Phalanx that nearly destroyed the Shi'ar, and she will perceive Warlock as an immediate threat. If anyone knows how to now defeat the Phalanx, it's the Shi'ar.

What also benefits Astra is that Warlock is a Technarchy, and does not try and assimillate his opponents. They are individualistic, unlike many other of the Phalanx.

Winner = Astra

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Rebuttal: Astra vs. Warlock-Phalanx

Astra:

*Astra can alter her body's molecular density, allowing physical attacks to pass through her without harm and allowing her to pass through other objects or people without harm. By slightly solidifying herself inside another person, Astra can render them unconscious. While intangible, she can physically impact other intangible beings.

*Astra has used a Shi'ar anti-gravity device to fly.

Warlock:

*As a member of the Technarchy, Warlock is a techno-organic being, without true form but constantly changing shape. He can also approximate any organic form as well-- appearing human when necessary. Warlock's physiology is also able to survive within the vacuum of space. When "feeding," he injects a techno-organic virus into an object, converting it into a techno-organic form like himself, and absorbing its energy into himself. Alternatively, he can absorb pure energy, like electricity from an outlet. Warlock was once identified as a mutant, as his "mutation" was his passivity that was uncharacteristic of the war-like tendencies of the rest of his race. Currently infused with nanotechnology, Warlock can repair his body as it is damaged. The technology allows his body to "upgrade," adapting to any given situation similar to the Sentinels' ability to adapt on the fly to a variety of mutant powers.

Interesting match-up. I always think of Warlock as Marvel's version of Michael Jackson..."he's a lover, not a fighter." Sure, he'll fight when he absolutely needs to, but it's not in his nature to severely hurt someone. If Astra was taking on his father, she'd be in much bigger danger.

While neither will know of the location, the fact is that Astra will know of the Phalanx. It was the Phalanx that nearly destroyed the Shi'ar, and she will perceive Warlock as an immediate threat. If anyone knows how to now defeat the Phalanx, it's the Shi'ar.

What also benefits Astra is that Warlock is a Technarchy, and does not try and assimillate his opponents. They are individualistic, unlike many other of the Phalanx.

There is not much I can say here because simply you say nothing. All I read from the above is that he will not kill her but where do you remotely mention how she defeats him because I cannot see it.

He is far superiour to her and he knows he has to defeat the one individual he will find. He is not just going to lay down. This is round 2 and therefore he knows he has defeated Juggernaut. Here he has to defeat Astra and he will do so with relative ease especially because she has no way to defeat him.


Winner = Warlock

 

[wiegeabo]

Silhouette vs Iceman

This could be a very tough match for Silhouette. Iceman is very resilient, and his ability to freeze the environment around him is dangerous to opponents indeed.

But Silhouette has two key advantages that Bobby can't counter. She can teleport, giving her the ability to surprise attack (or for quick escape). And, more importantly, she can phase herself and take down opponents by phasing through them. Bobby simply has no counter to this attack and, because of that, Silhouette has a quick and effective way to win this match.


Silhouette wins

 

[Phaedrus45]

Rebuttal: Astra vs. Warlock-Phalanx



There is not much I can say here because simply you say nothing. All I read from the above is that he will not kill her but where do you remotely mention how she defeats him because I cannot see it.

He is far superiour to her and he knows he has to defeat the one individual he will find. He is not just going to lay down. This is round 2 and therefore he knows he has defeated Juggernaut. Here he has to defeat Astra and he will do so with relative ease especially because she has no way to defeat him.


Winner = Warlock

There is much that shows he will be in no way "far superior to her." As pointed out, Astra will know her opponent, as the Shi'ar is very, very familiar with the Phalanx. They just had a humongous battle with them during Annihilation; and, as Astra is a current member of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard (and, a founding member and former leader), she's got access to all that information. (After all, the Shi'ar has learned how to defeat the Phalanx, as Deathbird did.) Astra will know what works and what doesn't.

On the other hand, Warlock won't know jack about Astra. Also, Warlock was not like his father. Thirdly, using normal Phalanx techniques don't translate to Warlock, because he is not one who would assimiliate another character.

One big problem with the above rebuttal that needs to be pointed out is "This is round 2 and therefore he knows he has defeated Juggernaut." As JH pointed out to me during Season 1, characters have no knowledge of previous battles in this contest. Thus, Warlock has no idea he beat Juggernaut. (Thinking about it, it's a very wise decision by JH, because another person might have knowledge that wasn't brought up in a debate, and just because we get a win in one round, doesn't mean the same can be done if another person debates the opponent.) The only time we retain memory of previous battles is when there is a rematch.

Winner = Astra

 

[Ahura Mazda]

There is much that shows he will be in no way "far superior to her." As pointed out, Astra will know her opponent, as the Shi'ar is very, very familiar with the Phalanx. They just had a humongous battle with them during Annihilation; and, as Astra is a current member of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard (and, a founding member and former leader), she's got access to all that information. (After all, the Shi'ar has learned how to defeat the Phalanx, as Deathbird did.) Astra will know what works and what doesn't.

Her powers are simply to become intangible. She is not a great warrior of the Shi'ar and as many know they get defeated all the time. And excuse me but the Shi'ar did not defeat the Phalanx.

They infiltrated the Shi'ar Empire as the "Pure", killing tens of thousands before the X-Men fought them on the Shi'ar throneworld and separated the transmode virus from its hosts, killing most of those Phalanx.

So really what you suggest is plainly wrong given Astra does not have the resources of the X-Men especially not their powers.

On the other hand, Warlock won't know jack about Astra. Also, Warlock was not like his father. Thirdly, using normal Phalanx techniques don't translate to Warlock, because he is not one who would assimiliate another character.

Warlock has had contact with teh SHi'ar before and recently he has been in space fighting alongside Nova so I would suggest he may know something about Astra after all. Not to mention that he can access during his 24 hours of prep time databases (X-Men, Phalanx, etc.) which surely have information of someone who is a member of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard.

One big problem with the above rebuttal that needs to be pointed out is "This is round 2 and therefore he knows he has defeated Juggernaut." As JH pointed out to me during Season 1, characters have no knowledge of previous battles in this contest. Thus, Warlock has no idea he beat Juggernaut. (Thinking about it, it's a very wise decision by JH, because another person might have knowledge that wasn't brought up in a debate, and just because we get a win in one round, doesn't mean the same can be done if another person debates the opponent.) The only time we retain memory of previous battles is when there is a rematch.

Then I apologise because he has no memry of his previous battle but really what does that change. He is clearly superior with the ability to heal and change into anything including any type of weaponry he could need much like a Sentinel who of course have used weapontry to affect Kitty Pryde.

Winner = Warlock

 

[POWdER-man]

Sentry vs Absorbing Man

Heh, if this didn't already happen in the comics I would be more concerned in this match but the truth is Sentry just simply overpowers Absorbing Man. And to prove this here is the complete fight between Sentry and Absorbing Man (as nothing is better to source than the actual comics):

Spoiler

As this shows not only does Sentry simply overpowers Absorbing Man (who can't absorb a planet, let alone the power of a million exploding suns), but he does it with ease and control. Sentry only let him absorb a small taste of his power, but when he decided to give him more it literally vaporized him.

In this match Absorbing Man can't absorb the full power of Sentry, thus negating his true and only power. Sure Absorbing Man might get his shots in but they won't hurt and they certainly won't take down Sentry. Alternatively, Absorbing Man isn't smart enough to come up with a strategic or well thought out plan to take him down either. Not that would help much as Sentry has faced characters like Iron Man and Doctor Doom, characters who are the smartest in the world, and have defeated them.

In the end, you just can't beat Sentry physically and that is what Absorbing Man relies on by absorbing the powers of the characters he faces. However as shown above he can't handle Sentry's power so Absorbing Man is out of luck.

WINNER SENTRY

(I was going to say AM to shortened saying Absorbing Man all the time but then realized I am facing Ahura...Mazda and thought that could be taken the wrong way.)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Her powers are simply to become intangible. She is not a great warrior of the Shi'ar and as many know they get defeated all the time. And excuse me but the Shi'ar did not defeat the Phalanx.

When the Phalanx attacked the Shi'ar homeworld, it was early on, and the X-Men had the assistance of Deathbird. (This is around X-Men 344 when all of it happened.) Since that quote you mentioned, the Shi'ar have become only more knowledgable about the Phalanx and how to defeat them. Plus, unlike before, this is not a Phalanx that is going to try and assimilate his opponent...and, it's not a horde of Phalanx. That's a humongous difference. Plus, why did the X-Men defeat the Phalanx then and the Shi'ar asked for their help? Because, the Phalanx could not infect mutants. And, as I pointed out, Warlock is not the kind of Phalanx that infects others.

So really what you suggest is plainly wrong given Astra does not have the resources of the X-Men especially not their powers.

Yes, if this was the late 90's, this point might be correct. But, a lot has happened since 1997, when this first instance of the Phalanx attacking the Shi'ar happened. Plus, as I pointed out, Deathbird AND the X-Men faced those Horde of Phalanx, and with Deathbird's help, they defeated them. So, Astra would have those resources.

Warlock has had contact with teh SHi'ar before and recently he has been in space fighting alongside Nova so I would suggest he may know something about Astra after all. Not to mention that he can access during his 24 hours of prep time databases (X-Men, Phalanx, etc.) which surely have information of someone who is a member of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard.

How does Warlock get from the Technarchy home world, called Kvch, to gain access to Phalanx, X-Men, or other databases? Plus, this new version of Warlock doesn't even have the same memories of who he was before. It's almost like he's starting over. He just knows that he doesn't want to leave his other Technarchy at his homeworld. So, there is no way he'd get any information about Astra.

Winner = Astra

 

[Hellstormer]

Thing VS. Taskmaster
(*I won't do any rebuts since I'm posting so late*)

Everyone knows who these two are and it will be very easy for them to access info on eachother. The Thing is a street fighter so it won't do any good for TM to learn his fighting style instead he'll probably use some other extreme fighter. The Thing can instead just rely on his intense strength and superb durability. TM is a great fighter, but he's going against someone who uses less technique and more "Clobberin". A couple well placed blows and dirty punches will leave TM cowering in fear.

Winner=Thing
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[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Thing

Warlock

Sentry

Silhouette -

Spoiler

too bad there was no debate

 

[Phaedrus45]

My Votes:

*Taskmaster -

Spoiler

My gut just tells me with Taskmaster's new Avenger's access, he's got this match handled.

*Astra

*Sentry

*Iceman

 

[JewishHobbit]

Warlock

Spoiler

I feel that there were so many holes in this debate that it'd be tedious to try and question them all, so in the end I had to throw the debate out and go with my gut.

Sentry

Spoiler

If not for that quick battle in Civil War: The Return this could have been an awsome debate

Iceman

Spoiler

I know there was no debate but I wasn't convinced by W's debate and I just don't see her taking out Iceman. He's grown a lot over the years and he should really take out Silhouette with eas

Thing

 

[random_havoc]

Warlock
sentry
iceman
thing

Spoiler

- tm simply doesn't have the strength to harm the Thing, whereas the thing just needs to get one shot in, or even hit him with some debris.

 

[POWdER-man]

Sentry
Thing
Iceman
Warlock

 

[wiegeabo]

Thing

Warlock-Phalanx

Spoiler

I didn't see anything specific about Astra defeating Warlock. The mention of using resources from the Empire with stating what they actually are, or if Astra could even use them by herself, didn't convince me.

Sentry

Spoiler

I have a couple of issues with that battle but, hey, it's in continuity and hell of convincing.

Silhouette