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The Dark Knight Curious. plot twists?

I dont think Harely Quin suits the Nolan films. She is fine in the aminated series, but i dont think she can work in live action. And i dont want the Joker to have a constant companion. I like his goons to be disposable
 
^ Yeah i agree, i would love to see her, if it was shot, written and acted right. But i dont think we will see her..
 
From what has been said about this "two" boat scene. It could be a Two-Face choice killing, not a Harvey Dent choice killing, if you get where I'm coming from.

I just wish they would have adapted the Long Halloween into this film to the most extent with Harvey Dent. It would work so well.

Twist that wont happen: All of the weapons that Joker is getting are from the arms dealer known only as The Penguin (We all know that Penguin, Nolan has said, would not work in his Batman reality and not in the series).

Frank Noir...that's why I put that in front of it.
 
Nolan doesn't build his movies around twists. He builds characters around them. The twist, from everything I'm heard, is that Dent is Two-FacED. He's working with the mob on some level. That is the likely plot twist.

It sure isn't that The Joker is permawhite.
 
Nolan doesn't build his movies around twists. He builds characters around them. The twist, from everything I'm heard, is that Dent is Two-FacED. He's working with the mob on some level. That is the likely plot twist.

It sure isn't that The Joker is permawhite.

I think some people are banking the twist because of Memento, Insomnia and Prestige has some twist in it.

If what you say is true and that Harvey Dent is Two-Faced and not scarred, then that would be a disservice to the character all together and a bigger argument than perma-white. Hope that isn't going to happen. Although the thread is plot twists, that would be a big one.
 
I think some people are banking the twist because of Memento, Insomnia and Prestige has some twist in it.

If what you say is true and that Harvey Dent is Two-Faced and not scarred, then that would be a disservice to the character all together and a bigger argument than perma-white. Hope that isn't going to happen. Although the thread is plot twists, that would be a big one.

Dude, I think he meant he is two-faced in his dealings, and then gets scarred.
 
I think some people are banking the twist because of Memento, Insomnia and Prestige has some twist in it.

If what you say is true and that Harvey Dent is Two-Faced and not scarred, then that would be a disservice to the character all together and a bigger argument than perma-white. Hope that isn't going to happen. Although the thread is plot twists, that would be a big one.

Totally agree. Hell even if he does get scarred but was a kind of bad guy before it then i won't be happy. Let's hope it doesn't happen. :csad:
 
I know the twist

The Joker is really Talia
 
I'd say that there will be a twist in some part of this movie b/c he we're dealing with Nolan now.
 
I think some people are banking the twist because of Memento, Insomnia and Prestige has some twist in it.

So did BATMAN BEGINS. I would imagine that THE DARK KNIGHT will have something, some kind of "surprise" to it.

If what you say is true and that Harvey Dent is Two-Faced and not scarred, then that would be a disservice to the character all together and a bigger argument than perma-white. Hope that isn't going to happen. Although the thread is plot twists, that would be a big one.

People. I'm saying that Harvey Dent IS two-faced. As in, he's double dealing with the cops, the mob, the DA's office, etc. I never said he wouldn't be scarred.
 
So did BATMAN BEGINS. I would imagine that THE DARK KNIGHT will have something, some kind of "surprise" to it.



People. I'm saying that Harvey Dent IS two-faced. As in, he's double dealing with the cops, the mob, the DA's office, etc. I never said he wouldn't be scarred.


I understand completely, and that would be a good "twist."
I think it will be more of a twist for the average person than people like us, because the "twist" in Begins was that Ras was still alive.
 
I don't know a single comic book fan that actually thought Ra's Al Ghul was dead in BATMAN BEGINS before he came back and was "revealed" as Ducard.

Well, maybe a few.
 
I don't know a single comic book fan that actually thought Ra's Al Ghul was dead in BATMAN BEGINS before he came back and was "revealed" as Ducard.

Well, maybe a few.


Exactly, thus mine and a few others reasoning saying this whole plot twist won't be as twisty as someone who just went to see the movie. I doubt anything crazy will happen. Your thought is the closest to reality imo...
 
Nolan doesn't build his movies around twists. He builds characters around them. The twist, from everything I'm heard, is that Dent is Two-FacED. He's working with the mob on some level. That is the likely plot twist.

It sure isn't that The Joker is permawhite.

Hah! I was just telling my friend that's what I thought the twist would be.
 
well the plot twist wont be a big one for bat fans, mostly just the general public, like ra's in BB was kindof obvious since the asian double looked nothing like him and liam neeson was dead on minus the cape, The twist will be harvey has falcone the whole time, but even he is pretty much unaware, Its dark Victory really, so basically yea his own investigation as well as what has the mob all riled up adn everyone is blaming the joker or batman cause they are both freaks, but no one knows harvey is basically one aswell, but yea joker does steal the mob money adn holds it ransom, so im guessing the mystery of this one besides who is the joker is where is falcone, i will almost bet on it, joker isnt white cause nolan is trying to make his movies very realistic and wacky chemicals bleaching skin doesnt cut it... besides he wears it liek war paint and to me it6s more fLlcked up to paint your face and go murder people than to be bleached white and feeling liek you will never get laid and thinking why not kill people,,,, the scars i think are a bit of a substitue for the white skin and is fine by me,
 
Remember the episode "Second Change" from Batman The Animated Series

The basic premise: Harvey Dent is having his scars removed. During surgery, goons come in and kidnap Harvey Dent. Batman and Robin investigate possible suspects who may have kidnapped him. Then... Batman finally figures it out. TWO-FACE kidnapped Harvey Dent because if Harvey erased his scars he would probably erase Two-Face. So Two-Face and Batman duke it out. Two-Face loses. The end.

One of my FAVORITE episodes. Awesome plot twist. Two-Face kidnaped Harvey Dent... in essence... Two-Face kidnaped himself.

The reason I bring it up is this: Harvey Dent has a split personality. So as a writer, you have to think of Two-Face as two totally separate characters. Two-Face has different wants/desires than Harvey Dent and Harvey Dent doesn't know what Two-Face knows/is doing and vice versa.

So hopefully Nolan realizes this. If so...

... then I agree. The plot twist of TDK could end up being like the plot twist of "Second Chance". Two-Face could be dealing with the mob, working for them, helping cause chaos in the city. Meanwhile, Harvey Dent has no idea his other personality is doing this... he's oblivious...

I think that makes sense. Just the fact alone that you have a character with split personality disorder allows this twist to be possible...

Greg
 
I think the plot twist will revolve around Harvey Dent/Two Face.
 
yea I think "second chance" was great aswell, Also in season 4 "Judgement Day" Two Face develops a third personality as a vigilante names The Judge and begins taking down criminals and some of Bat's famous Rogues, totally unaware he IS the judge he even tries killing Two Face (himself),,, It seems perfectly fitting he will be and the viewers will eb unaware of some of his own actions, Im happy cause Im positive this will have alot out of long halloween within it, since it is a Harvey story essentially, even the colors to the posters got the Long Halloween vibe going with the color blue used mostly... Begins was the brown/yellow alot like Year One,,,,,, Anyone want to bet the 3rd installment in Nolans films will use alot of Red on the posters ect... *cough*DARK VICTORY*cough*


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oh and for the act that, Bale and Nolan seem to talk heavily about Long Halloween,,,, I agree it really is the most essential batman story.
 
i asked someone who read the script about this.. he said it has to do with the reporter and who he really is.. i think wayne used to know him before he left
 
its definately a character/identity twist.. he was pretty vague about it, under confidentiality but i got that out of him.. the only thing i could think of was Roman Sionis, but i don't think that enough people who haven't read alot of comics would recognize black mask.. riddler has always been a rumor
 
well if he's read the script he read the script, I still think Anthony Micheal Hall will be the Riddler, I don't think it will be Black Mask he wouldnt make 5 people in the whole theatre give 2 ****t's, And again going back to how much they rave about Tim Sale & Jeph Loeb's work I could see it being Riddler since he had a major role in "When in Rome" whihc takes place during the events of Dark Victory, after Carmine Falcone's corpse is stolen from his tomb, and his finger is mailed to his family, the mob (aswell as Selina Kyle since its his lost daughter) get vry riled up in the end it is twoface who stole the corpse. BUT my point is during "When In Rome" Selina goes to Rome to find out if she is indeed his daughter I think its between the events of mothers day or valentines day and JULY 1st, but yea Edward Nygma goes too being the best at solving Riddles in the end he is messing with her using Scarecrows fear gas and any other means because he thinks she knows Batman's indentity and will spill the bean's.... This won't happen in the movies but there were rumours of a reporter trying to reveal Bruce's Identity, this would work well only IF it was RIDDLER as its his obsession just as The Jokers is basically trying to get Batman to go over the edge as he has, driving the world into insanity to watch things burn...., but yea I hope the reporter is Riddler or just Edward Nygma, give him a green Blazer and tada a realistic riddler in Nolans world, I wouldnt expect to see him in a major role just another thorn in Batmans side more so, but still it would be cool to see where Batman's identity is going to be revealed by a very brainy man (reporter works well since especially these days for the rich being followed non stop by people with no lives trying to sell story's I mean think of tabloids and who better than the Prince of Gotham?) But yea JOker would calla b omb threat and maybe by the end of the movie you will see this guy just stating Bruce Wane is Batman. it would be awful for someone to know on top of the fact that Harvey is now Batman and if he knew his two friends Batman and Bruce were one he would blame him) making the threat of the Edward knowing his identity much worse at the end of TDK. I could see this being done, I mean Nolan used Scarecrow, Ra's, Falcone, Mr Zaaz, all in BB whilst telling and damn in depth origin too and it never felt crammed,

I Garauntee one thing though, TDK will take place I bet throughout one year, and it was confirmed it is fall in the film. THE LONG HALLOWEEN.

Im thinking by the end of this movie it will be clear, Nolan is really using the freaks taking over the mob as his theme maybe this is Jokers "Plan".
 
also though I dont think It ever will come out that Batman is Bruce Wayne to the public within the movies, remember at the end of Hush( which is Jeph Loeb who did Long Halloween, Dark Victory and when in Rome' [and his second Riddler story plotted around him trying to find out Batmans Identity and reveal it]) well at the end of hush when Batman goes to Arkham knowing Riddler knows who he is and speaks to Riddler

Riddler: riddle me this ... who is under batmans mask?.... and now the world is my oyster...... Right Bruce?

Batman: What time is it when a elephant sits on a fence?

Riddler: what?

Batman: What time is it when a elephant sits on a fence?

Riddler: Time to get a new fence,, everybody knows that one its worthless\\

Batman: thast why i have nothing to fear from you. I nkwo you edward nygma. maybe better than you know yourself... Riddles are your compulsion, your addiction. AND A RIDDLE EVERYONE KOWS THE ASNWER TO IS WORTHLESS.

also if the joker is bombing buildings to stop anyone else from ruining Batman, I bet the fear of Riddler telling would be enough for him to keep a tight lid on his secret cause who would want the psycho after them)


I dont know this would work well
 
Seriously, maybe in this movie can expect more surprises, i think the scarecrow is on it, but who knows? maybe he make at one point of the movie a checkmate to the caped crusader, not a big role, but remember, the fear gas and the contamined water supply still there.

My thoughts? maybe a Two - Face / Riddler reteam in a glorius way, not the crappy version of Mr. S (i can't say that name, it makes me shivers), secondary roles? why not!!! Hugo Strange, Lady Shiva or The Snake King / Edmund Dorrance, this characters can work for a third movie.

Not work: Robin or Nightwing, i think this characters are more for a child and Nolan has a more dark vision about this Batman series.
 

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