Civil War Daniel Bruhl Joins the Cast as Baron Zemo!

[Mr.T]

I loved Zemo, but I have to agree with others that his arc seemed completed. I hope they don't shoehorn some other issue just to use him from here on out...

 

[Overman27pj]

I loved Zemo, but I have to agree with others that his arc seemed completed. I hope they don't shoehorn some other issue just to use him from here on out...

Agreed.

I loved him as well. I even loved his breakfast. He was making me hungry for black coffee and bacon even in the theater!!!

 

[Anita18]

Just noticed that the Russos seemed to be obsessed with Zemo's left shoe. 3 shots of that friggin' shoe, with the same framing each time. Squashing the Avengers like bugs? Some sort of analogy with Bucky's left arm? Maybe Zemo's the one planting himself like a tree beside the river of truth???? (This movie IS full of stupidly stubborn dudes! )

Someone help me out here.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The Zemo from the 60s was the current/MCU's Zemo's father. HELMUT Zemo made his debut in a one-shot in 1973 as the character Phoenix, and then didn't return in his current form until 1982.

I am well aware of all of that. Your point? When people speak of Zemo these days it's the current one, the one that led the siege of Avengers mansion and organized the Tbolts and it's that characterization a lot of fans like and would enjoy seeing in the MCU, which is not just a road show Red Skull which was the original contention under dispute.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I am well aware of all of that. Your point? When people speak of Zemo these days it's the current one, the one that led the siege of Avengers mansion and organized the Tbolts and it's that characterization a lot of fans like and would enjoy seeing in the MCU, which is not just a road show Red Skull which was the original contention under dispute.

What you say here is my point.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What you say here is my point.

I think you are under the impression that I was unaware about the difference in Zemo the father and Zemo the son and I guarentee you my 39 year old self is more than aware of the difference.

 

[Knight_SV]

I think ross in his attempt to build the thunderbolts as a match for avengers might later forced zemo to undergo super soldier experiment with the super soldier serum he secretly developed for make-up the failure that was blonsky/abomination and it cause zemo face to disfigured however it give him the same powers as captain america. Ross will try to build zemo as his captain america a.k.a the leader figure for thunderbolts

 

[Schlosser85]

Just noticed that the Russos seemed to be obsessed with Zemo's left shoe. 3 shots of that friggin' shoe, with the same framing each time. Squashing the Avengers like bugs? Some sort of analogy with Bucky's left arm? Maybe Zemo's the one planting himself like a tree beside the river of truth???? (This movie IS full of stupidly stubborn dudes! )

Someone help me out here.

I think they established what his shoe looks like, so when we see the shot of the "psychiatrist"'s shoe, it's like the reveal of "ermagherd it's Zemo" before we see his face.

Although, he steals/borrows a suit and glasses but is wearing his own scuffed-up shoes? lol.

 

[Lantern Venom]

they shouldve just created an original villain since this character has no connection to his comic counterpart.

When I heard Bruhl state that the MCU Zemo had only a "loose connection" with comic Helmut, I instantly became worried. CW's Zemo's methods of achieving his goals were brutal, but his motivation and appearance were forgettable. There's still a chance in the future to include essential elements to his character like his political/philosophical views, his costume, Adhesive X, and his physical skills.

 

[Guard82]

I was very impressed with what they did with Zemo. They made a lot changes to his backstory to better fit the film and the overall MCU, but they kept most of his important character traits from the comics -- vengefulness, intelligence, tactical genius, strategic patience, etc. His plan was simple but effective, and both his plan and motivations made logical sense. And Daniel Bruhl was excellent in the role, playing the part with a lot of subtle pathos and sophistication.

 

[metaphysician]

Something worth noting is that Zemo did pretty much his entire grand scheme while, proverbially, in a cave with a box of scraps. The most expensive, high tech tool he used was the EMP bomb, and that scarcely even qualifies as supertech. Other than that, it was some mundane guns and bombs, a few disguises and faked documents, and a bunch of hotel reservations and airline tickets. He conceivably paid for it all from whatever money he scrounged and stole from the initial Hydra member he interrogated and killed.

Helmut Zemo: the man who brought down the Avengers while living out of a suitcase. And now he's imprisoned in a spartan glass box, with nothing to do but think, and talk to his captors.

 

[hafizbat]

Zemo was superbly done in Civil War, but I really want to see him return in a more comic-ky role. Imagine him in this perfect design, assembling a team of super-villains to take down the Avengers the old-fashioned way.

 

[metaphysician]

Whether he puts on a purple mask or not, I strongly suspect he will return. Probably leading a team of supervillains that Zemo convinced Ross it'd be an *excellent* idea to put into his hands.

 

[Loki882]

Having just seen the movie again today, I still find him to be very meh as a villain. His motivations aren't interesting and I didn't find him the least bit sympathetic.

He's just a misguided idiot, not to mention a psychotic hypocrite.

 

[terry78]

He's an average joe who had his family taken away and decided to take it out on who he felt was to blame, which is actually an eerily relatable motive. But now he's become pretty much one of those guys he hates. I do feel like when Thanos hits a lot of the villains who are still breathing will be forced to team up with the Avengers.

 

[Mr. Forest]

I did not care for Baron Zemo at all, but Daniel Bruhl gave a good performance in his role which is all I would ask for from an actor.

 

[Lantern Venom]

He's an average joe who had his family taken away and decided to take it out on who he felt was to blame, which is actually an eerily relatable motive. .

That encapsulates what was both right and wrong with Zemo in CW. His motivation was simple and worked in the context of the film, but the comic Zemo is more complex than that. It's not that the character was bad, but there was nothing to distinguish him as Zemo.

 

[Voltron]

That Screen Junkies honest trailer on Zemo was definitely honest.

 

[TalismanRing]

He's an average joe who had his family taken away and decided to take it out on who he felt was to blame, which is actually an eerily relatable motive. But now he's become pretty much one of those guys he hates. I do feel like when Thanos hits a lot of the villains who are still breathing will be forced to team up with the Avengers.

He wasn't average joe though. He's military intelligence and the leader of a "kill squad". His methods and actions are directly tied to the kind of person he already was more than his relate-able loss.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Sokovia, through what we saw in AoS, was kind of a ****hole. The kind with a failing and likely corrupt government. Per Hill's words, nowhere special.

Intelligence agents in places like Sokovia in the real world are less staggeringly competent superspies and more geared to brutalize internal dissidents.

But even if we're gonna roll with the tape that exists and is intact for some reason, no one vetting Zemo to make sure he's the guy they want, and forget the high likelihood of Bucky being killed before most of Zemo's plan could come to fruition...

The plot still hinges on Zemo, and Zemo alone, managing to decrypt the leaked SHIELD field, while the NSA, and every sigint agency worldwide, haven't managed it despite having much more manpower, resources, and training.

 

[rashad]

Having just seen the movie again today, I still find him to be very meh as a villain. His motivations aren't interesting and I didn't find him the least bit sympathetic.

He's just a misguided idiot, not to mention a psychotic hypocrite.

On Collider Heroes John Campea made a great point. It starts at @47:20 mark

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[TheVileOne]

Siberia would have been the perfect opportunity to put the purple ski mask on him.

Did the Russos ever explain why they chose not to do that?

At the end of the day, the movies and shows tend to downlplay those elements a lot. It's a miracle we get to see Captain America wear a mask at all.

I think the character would've been fine if they just used a random Marvel character and made him the Zemo character instead of making him Zemo.

 

[Voltron]

So Zemo might be appearing in BP.

 

[metaphysician]

Sigh. Its not "downplaying comic book elements". Its "actors got to act, and its *much easier* to act when people can actually see your face".

 

[TheVileOne]

Sigh. Its not "downplaying comic book elements". Its "actors got to act, and its *much easier* to act when people can actually see your face".

To me that's ********, and it's nothing more than a lame excuse. Ask fans which Dredd movie has the better acting performance. and they will tell you it's the one where Dredd keeps his mask on the whole time instead of losing it in the first 10 minutes.

To me the masks and costumes are a big part of these stories' iconography, and iconography IMHO is an important thing. That means, I want stories to embrace capes and masks and everything else.