Daredevil Daredevil: FULL SEASON TWO Discussion Thread (BEWARE, SPOILERS GALORE!)

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Good writing:

 

[dude stannis]

 

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Just some random Asian guy? It was Nobu, the highest ranking Hand member we have seen

compared to Bullseye, Nobu is a nobody

 

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Episode 5: Heart Attack

Typhoid lets Kingpin know about her childhood. She was bred in a lab to be a weapon by IGH and used as a child soldier for the government. Between missions she was horribly abused and told herself that none of this was her doing and developed an alternate personality who doesn't want to hurt people who resurfaces when things become too stressful for her and recently she's been losing track of time. She's aware of the alternate personality and knows that it doesn't love Fisk, it fears him and is scared that it'll resurface and what kind of effect it'll have on their relationship. She's already been through situations where entire hours have disappeared for her and knows that the Mary Walker personality is coming back and it wants to torment her. Her Mary Walker persona also has a differnt heart rate and a cooler body temperature. Fisk says that he doesn't care, he still loves Typhoid. Matt finds himself stuck in a love triangle with Karen Page and Mary Walker, the latter of which actually loves him back but the Typhoid personality is disgusted by him and only fakes being in love with him so she can crush his spirit before killing him. Eventually the Typhoid persona starts getting into a fight with Matt as Daredevil after a fight between both personalities in front of a bathroom mirror while applying makeup that leads to Typhoid slapping herself and smashing her face in the mirror to get Mary to shut up. Typhoid begins to suspect that Matt Murdoch is Daredevil. Matt still isn't totally ready to dump Karen for Mary and tries to work his issues with Karen out. Bullseye begins stalking Karen Page and after picking up on somebody following her, she purchases a gun. The audience learns that Maya Lopez is actually a member of the Chaste who was trained by Stick after Matt and Elektra were and she's a big fan of fighting with dual swords. She's shown training in a montage and eventually dons some ninja armor that's her Ronin appearance from New Avengers. Bullseye manages to get into Buck Cashman's bunker and starts teaching Lance how to fight which is exactly what Buck doesn't want for his son and kicks Bullseye out. Lance asks if Bullseye is one of the good guys or one of the bad guys and Buck says that he's one of the good guys but he also does a lot of bad things and doesn't want to hear Lance use the words that he's been picking up from Bullseye. Larry Cranston begins to think that Daredevil is actually a murderer and hears about the body count at fights where he's been fighting alongside the Punisher and Elektra and that it isn't a stretch to assume that he's been working alongside Eric Slaughter the entire time, particularly since he saved him from Bullseye. Melvin's sanity slips further and he starts hearing the voice of a Roman emperor who's been telling him to build a gladiator helmet. Kingpin has Betsy as a prisoner so it's unlikely that Melvin will ever get better. Matt takes on Carl Burbank as a client in the hope that he'll testify against Fisk after Cranston allows a reduced sentence for Slaughter if Burbank makes good on his word of ratting out Fisk.

Episode 6: Hard Decisions

Enough of Fisk's enemies are dead that Fisk can put the enough police on the take to the point where he now owns office space in the Chrysler Building which he also uses as his home. Typhoid loves the view but can't shake the fact that she's disgusted with how Mary Walker is in love with Matt Murdoch even though Typhoid loves Wilson Fisk. Because her physiology changes when she switches personalities, Matt doesn't know that Mary Walker is Typhoid. Fisk freaks out when he sees Typhoid change into Mary Walker and she starts screaming in fear of him but can't defend herself because she can only use her pyrokinesis when she's Typhoid. Typhoid is able to wrest control of her mind and asks Fisk how he can love somebody like her. Bullseye shoots up the New York Bulletin when looking for Karen and kills Mitchell Ellison (paving the way for J Jonah Jameson to take over the paper and rename it the Daily Bugle, while also making it online instead of hard copies so some college kid can easily upload breaking photos from his dorm room if he has an Admin password). Karen escapes despite many of her co-workers dying and only because Matt saves her from Bullseye. Buck Cashman is ordered to kill Burbank in his jail cell to keep him from testifying and does so. When he comes back home to Lance, he's covered in blood and tells Lance that he just foiled a HYDRA plot to bomb Times Square. Karen and Matt reconcile and Matt's rejection of Mary causes the Mary persona to completely die off and leaves only Typhoid remaining. The final scene is Melvin donning his helmet in a warehouse where he's taken multiple hostages and says on the news that he's going to execute them if Daredevil doesn't show up to duel him, "to the death... for the glory of Rome!"

Episode 7: Warriors

Matt is forced to duel Melvin who's now completely delusional and wins non-lethally. Melvin is brought into custody where he's given his correct medication. Daredevil promises him a good lawyer since he wasn't truly in control. Typhoid realizes that after the Mary Walker persona was defeated she can change her physiology while still in control of her mind. Karen Page is kidnapped during the battle with Melvin Potter by Bullseye and he begins torturing her for information. Most of the torture happens offscreen since the audience will inevitably think of something far worse than whatever the showrunners have in mind. Buck Cashman is ordered to kidnap Matt Murdoch personally while Typhoid is ordered to track down Daredevil. Typhoid suggests that Matt Murdoch is Daredevil but Kingpin isn't totally buying it yet. Burbank's death is blamed on Slaughter by Cranston because Burbank was working for Fisk despite Matt having another theory that Fisk was behind the murder to keep him from talking. A bloody Karen eventually breaks under after multiple interrogation scenes and tells Bullseye that Matt Murdoch is Daredevil. Bullseye clarifies that just because he got what he wanted from her doesn't mean that the torture is going to stop.

Episode 8: Apocalypse

Matt finds himself locked out of his apartment and is told by his super that he hasn't paid his rent in six months. Matt explains that that simply isn't true and the super says that that's just what he's been told but he'll let him in to gather his belongings but then he has to get out. Matt says that he'll only be an hour and his landlord can have the rest after a heated argument since Matt mostly wants the Daredevil suit. Matt tries calling Karen and she doesn't pick up so he assumes that she's having relationship problems again but leaves a voicemail saying to call him back and no he can't read her text messages. When he gets to his office, he encounters Bullet who somehow knows that he's Daredevil. Daredevil defeats him and tells him to leave town and never come back. Cashman agrees after telling Daredevil that Fisk has Karen. Matt asks how he'd feel if somebody came after somebody he loves and Cashman agrees to skip town because he'd never let somebody hurt his son after his wife passed away from cancer. Typhoid tells Fisk that IGH is a secret Government program to create super soldiers after Captain America was believed to be KIA. It's supervised by General Ross but she's not sure if he's still part of it after Hulk and Abomination both rebelled (just to set up Ross becoming Red Hulk) but that the guy to talk to is Koslov. When she escaped IGH, they were busy trying to create super soldiers using drugs and thinks that they probably still have a few of them on active duty but to do her a favor and don't tell Koslov that she's still around because he might want her back. Upon arriving at the courthouse Cranston accuses Murdoch of being in cahoots with Slaughter. That he's mostly interested in taking down Fisk because Slaughter has everything to gain from it. That Carl Burbank was killed by Eric Slaughter's men and that Matt is the main suspect. When he tells Cranston that it's ludicrous, Cranston says that it makes perfect sense because Matt is Daredevil. When Matt say that it's impossible since he's blind, Cranston asks him to explain the front page story of every newspaper in the country. Daredevil has been an enemy of both Wilson Fisk and The Hand and has been an accomplice to the murders of Elektra Natchios and Frank Castle and took the latter as his client, neither of which killed a single one of Eric Slaughter's goons. Moreover, he saved Slaughter himself from one of Kingpin's assassins only to take him on as his client. Matt again insists that he can't find his way around an unfamiliar room without a cane and Cranston immediately tries to punch him in the face with Matt blocking the punch. Cranston asks Matt to explain how he just did that. Matt runs out of the courthouse and is greeted by a mob of reporters all asking for his statements. Matt offers no comment other than that the rumors are false and he isn't Daredevil. Bullseye's sniping from atop the courthouse and Matt gets out of the way when he notices somebody above and behind him and the smell of cordite and gunpowder. The commotion from the attempt on his life lets Matt get away. He changes into his Dardevil suit and takes on Bullseye atop the courthouse.


Episode 9: Out

Fisk meets with Koslov and asks him how much it would cost to rent a super soldier. Fisk paints himself as a patriotic citizen who wants to control organized crime in New York City himself so there will be fewer gang wars and he has the power and charisma to keep the criminal element in line. Koslov agrees and tells him that he knows just the man who can help. Bullseye meets with Buck Cashman in his backyard bunker and asks how/why he let Matt get away. Cashman says that he was bested fairly just like Bullseye and then Bullseye asks him why he's never returned. Cashman says that he just didn't get around to it yet and Bullseye calls his bluff and opens the door to the next room where he shows him Lance trapped to a chair. Bullseye then pistol whips Cashman in the back of the head. Typhoid is next to try to handle Matt. She tracks him down as he's running across New York City's rooftops. Matt figures that he can get past Typhoid's pyrokinesis by fighting her someplace wet and tries to lure her into the sewers after she ambushes him. Typhoid gets away after a short fight and Matt hears some noise in the background. Upon closer inspection, he hears that it's the Dogs of Hell and they have Vanessa Fisk as a prisoner.

 

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Episode 10: A Man Without Hope

The Dogs of Hell have long been enemies of Wilson Fisk and have been holding his wife prisoner in the sewers for weeks now as she's begging to be let go. Matt rescues her and brings her to a rooftop and gets a call from Karen Page saying it's her boyfriend and proving it by saying all sorts if incredibly personal things about her that only she would know... except it's Bullseye on the other end. Vanessa says that Wilson wanted information from Karen and Matt immediately asks her where Wilson is. She says that his safehouse was destroyed but that he always wanted to rent in the Chrysler building. Matt immediately sets out there after telling Vanessa where to go where she'll be safe (Claire Temple's place). Bullseye has Buck and Lance Cashman both tied to chairs. He says that Fisk only wanted Buck dead but Bullseye does things a bit differently to make things more fun. He's going to untie one of Buck's hands and shoot Lance with Buck's finger on the trigger before he shoots Buck in the face and proceeds to do just that. Fisk meets Will Simpson as Typhoid paints an American flag on his face as warpaint. Matt is still on the run and encounters Maya Lopez on a rooftop. They fight but Matt's blind so he doesn't know sign language and Maya is deaf so she can't hear a word that Matt is saying. Moreover, they were trained by the same man so it winds up being a fight where Maya gets some good hits in and manages to actually stab him a few times. The only way that Matt wins is by knocking her out but he's wounded and suffering from hunger and exhaustion. A man walks up to him and asks if he's Matt Murdoch and Matt immediately starts striking him because he believes him to be an assassin. This catches the eye of Turk Barrett who stabs him right in the torso and Matt knocks Turk out with one punch. He walks over to the George Washington bridge where Typhoid catches up to him. Matt thinks that she's Mary since she can now mask herself as her other persona but then Mary says that she's really Typhoid. She talks about how she escaped from IGH and how after that she worked as a prostitute and the man who said he was there to free her from her pimp pushed her out a window by accident and didn't even bother to check if she was alive. Daredevil mentions that he's sorry but Typhoid goes on to say that that final trauma caused her to develop DID where all her rage and time as a child soldier turned her into Typhoid who does whatever she wants and doesn't let anyone push her around and Mary Walker who's all her pain who doesn't do all the bad things that Typhoid does. But Matt broke her again when he rejected her in favor of Karen. He created something new. A more stable personality with the ability to shift between Mary and Typhoid. She's now Typhoid Mary who has Mary's guilt and despite developing a conscience, she really, really doesn't care because nobody hurt her worse than Matt Murdoch. Typhoid is comfortable saying that Karen is in a back room in Fisk's office because she's going to kill Matt and first sets her entire body on fire, sets Matt on Fire and then pushes him off the bridge. Matt climbs out of the water but collapses on the beach Claire Temple watches this and immediately starts dragging him away. Wilson Fisk then appears in his office asking if they've recovered the body yet Simpson says that he dispatched a team to dive where Typhoid says that she pushed Matt but they can't find the corpse. There are no reports of a body anywhere and he's probably still alive, he's just beyond resilient and when he gets back up, he's coming for all of them. Fisk's response is, "I believe... I have shown him... A man... without hope... is... a man... without fear"

Episode 11: A Man Without Fear

Claire Temple pushes Matt on a stretcher. She asks if it's okay to remove the mask since everybody knows who he is now but Matt tells her that he's a lawyer and is confident that he can prove that he isn't Daredevil since twisting the truth is what he does for a living. The hospital informs Claire that she isn't a nurse anymore but Claire tells them that it doesn't matter but they better not let anyone know that Daredevil is here since there are a lot of people who want him dead. He's hooked up to life support. Typhoid comes to visit him in the hospital and begins talking about how if there's one thing that she learned from her friend Will Simpson, it's that what IGH bred her for. There are a certain few people in the world known as Black Skies who are born with tremendous power and a religious order known as the Hand want them to accept what the call, "The Beast" into themselves and once they do, they will become transcendant beings called The Snakeroot. IGH wanted to breed a Black Sky in a lab and most of the children were killed when they failed. Typhoid was the only survivor. She believes that the whole knocking her out a window and then dumping her actually got her head on straight so she can't bring herself to finally kill him now... That's what the other guy is for and she walks away and lets Bullseye into the room. Bullseye begins his own monologue about how most people when they see him just see death. His real name is Lester and he doesn't have any sad story like Mary has. He grew up with two loving parents but he killed them as a teenager just to prove that he could bring himself to do that and it was more difficult than you'd think since very few people in that situation can actually pull the trigger. He later went on to erase most of his identity afterwards to the point where he jokes that his last name is now, "Go **** Yourself." He begins talking about how his greatest regret is how in his early career as a mercenary, he rescued some kids from The Hand and this one teenage girl looked at him as a hero just because he killed over a dozen people on a boat. He thinks her name was Maki but letting her go not only weakened his heart but she's probably already dead inside and is going to grow up to be just like him but one guy he was working with thought he was finally starting to grow a heart. He thinks his name was Marc Spector. He doesn't kill people just because he likes doing it, he also believes that he's doing humanity a favor. Anyone who can't survive a fight with him deserves to die anyway and he's making humanity stronger by weeding out the weak and at first he hated Matt for making him miss but he now realizes that that just means that Matt is a superior being and needs to have some sort of superhuman senses and reflexes and asks if he was exposed to radiation as a child which mutated him or if he's one of those Black Sky things that Typhoid has been talking about after meeting Simpson. He asks why he didn't just accept Typhoid instead of Karen when he and Typhoid would presumably create a better human species. Bullseye next moves on to how killing always brings him a great sense of joy and how he killed a ten-year-old boy recently and hasn't had a reason to do that in a good long while and says it was Cashman's kid and says that he believes that Matt knew Cashman. Then once he's done unhooking the life support and starts chocking Matt he begins talking about how Karen is still alive and how he enjoys hurting her and she stopped begging for Matt and started begging for death and is going to consider possibly killing her once he's able to tell her that Matt is never coming for her. Some flashback voiceovers start between young Matt and Stick where Stick teaches Matt a technique to conserve energy when wounded and then strike decisively. Matt's only words during either Typhoid or Bullseye's speeches are, "yes, Sensei" as he grabs Bullseye by the throat and pushes himself out of his hospital bed and stops flatlining. He gets Bullseye on the ground and keeps beating him in the face until he loses consciousness and has a broken nose. Matt then heads out in a wet, sweaty and damaged Daredevil suit to rescue Karen. Wilson Fisk demands that anyone loyal to him, including crooked cops is to begin patrolling the streets for Matt and Simpson is in command. Matt's main goal is to assault Fist Tower. Maya encounters him once again but Matt takes her out in just once punch and breaks her Ronin mask. He then swings from rooftop to rooftop on his billy club while just flooring everyone in one punch. They have guns but it doesn't matter since at this point he's never been this angry in his life. Typhoid starts telling Karen Page that Matt is dead by now and he's personally seen to it but then Matt swings through the window to Fisk's office and knocks Typhoid out with a kick before fighting his way though four armed guards and rescuing Karen then swinging out, all in front of Fisk. Karen manages to grab her belongings including her gun before swinging away. Fisk gives the order to Simpson over the radio to burn New York City to the ground since it'll draw Matt out. This is the fight scene that'll one-up New York's Finest and Cut-Man together. Matt and Karen land in a construction site at dusk and we get the sex scene from Born Again.

Episode 12: Born Again

Matt and Karen have just awoken to find the city on fire as they're getting dressed. Right as Matt puts the helmet back on, Bullseye appears. He talks about how he was never one for love himself since he was always bad with the ladies. They'd always get scared of him since all he'd ever want to talk about was firearms and all the different ways he could think of to kill somebody within any situation. But what Matt has given him is something greater than love. He's given him a rival. Somebody who he has as an obstacle to conquer and he thinks that he's finally won. Bullseye tells Matt to stand up and put his back against the wall. He's carrying his billy club in one hand and a handgun in the other. He completely ignores Karen who still has her gun. Bullseye mentions that he's going to plug a few extra rounds into Matt's corpse, "before gutting [Karen] like a ****ing pig." Karen puts her gun right at Bullseye's head while he isn't looking but when she pulls that she only loaded five cylinders and gets Matt's billy club punched right through her torso with Bulleye's last words to her being, "Best you've ever had, right?" Matt naturally flies into a rage and what happens is that Bullseye not only has fought Matt enough times to know how to counter everything he throws but Matt's gotten sloppy since Bullseye just punched a hole right through Karen's chest. When Matt finally defeats Bullseye, Bullseye says, "Fisk owns most of this town. You put me way and I'll beat any charges thrown at me and I'll just kill again, and again and again." Matt's response is, "You're not killing anyone... EVER... AGAIN!" Since Nobu got thrown off a building in Season 2, I'd like to see Matt do the whole tortures Bullseye thing from a later arc, particularly since he spent a good portion of the series torturing Karen. First he breaks the bones in his hands, then breaks his kneecaps, then his elbows and then just to make sure that he'll be able to put the genie back in the bottle and protect his secret identity, he breaks Bulleye's jaw and then cuts his tongue out with a knife. Karen's last words to Matt are that she has a flash drive with an article she was working on that not only proves that Fisk was behind the warehouse massacre but Daredevil wasn't involved at all in the gang war between Fisk and Slaughter's forces and included an alibi that Matt isn't Daredevil just in case word started getting out. She then dies in his arms after one last kiss goodbye. Matt then has to deal with Kingpin's goons committing mass arson and heads down to deal with the situation on the streets. Wave after wave of Kingpin's forces come after him before he finally takes on Simpson. Matt puts up a good fight but Simpson gets the upper hand and just when it looks like all hope is lost... Chris Evans makes a cameo appearance as Steve Rogers and gets Simpson to let go. The two of them team up to take Simpson down and keep Fisk's forces at bay. Simpson eventually gets knocked out by taking Steve's shield to his head and Matt picks up his radio and says to all of Fisk's forces that Vanessa is alive and says exactly where she's located. The look on Fisk's face gets Typhoid to just pack up and leave without them exchanging any words between each other. Typhoid knows that she'll no longer be wanted now that Wilson has Vanessa back. Steve then starts asking a military officer about IGH and says, "I'm loyal to nothing, General, except the dream." Bullseye is in a full body cast and can't move anything except for being able to hit a fly with a toothpick but it takes his whole arm.

Episode 13: Roulette

Bullseye lies in a full body cast in a hospital bed and turns his head to the side as much as he can when he hears his window opening. He pulls out a revolver which he says was Karen's except this time, instead of five chambers being loaded, only one is and the two of them are going to play a game together. Matt starts telling a story about how a child was inspired by him to stand up to bullies but wound up seriously hurting another kid and Matt is now questioning what he stands for. He mentions how Typhoid left town after Vanessa moved back in and he has no idea where she is and how Simpson would normally disappear but since an Avenger stepped in to stop him, he's news and is going to stand trial while IGH is now being exposed. He's cleared of criminal wrongdoing as is Melvin Potter (show flashbacks to Hogarth as both his and Potter's attorney) and is on his way to being reinstated as a lawyer once people stop believing that he's Dardevil (show Daniel Rand putting the Daredevil helmet on). Larry Cranston was fired by the DA since nobody would want to prosecute Daredevil, expecially after he was declared innocvent of his involvement with Eric Slaughter. Slaughter was sentenced to 50 years in prison but given his age will probably die behind bars although he was given protective custody to keep him away from other prisoners. Eventually it's revealed as the sixth shot is pulled right at Bullseye's head, the gun was actually empty and the look of fear leaves Bulleye's eyes. Except Matt then carves a crosshair symbol into Bullseye's forehead with a scalpel. Matt then narrates the end of Season 3 the same way that Karen narrated the end of Season 2 while he's drinking in a bar alone on Christmas Eve with quotes from the first two and last three pages of Daredevil: Yellow. Then the scene shifts to Typhoid meeting with a Senator named Kin Wind and he mentions welcoming her and shows her the Mutant Zero costume from Avengers: The Initiative. That then fades to the last shot which is Larry Cranston watching the news and watching as Matthew Murdock just had his life saved by Daredevil. Cranston's crushes the glass of whiskey that he's been drinking and has noticeable stubble growing and his only words are, "I know the truth Matthew Murdock. I'll give you something to FEAR."

 

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I get the feeling that the Hand stuff is going to be saved for the Defenders. After all, Harold Meachum is going to be killed off by a ninja at the end of Iron Fist and they're likely interested in learning if there's the Iron Fist is a Black Sky and can work as an avatar of The Beast or at least substitute for one.

Season 3, I feel like it should be all about Fisk. Season 2 saw Foggy moved into a supporting character for Iron Fist in the last episode so that's the loss of one major supporting character. (Plus it keeps Foggy around as a lawyer despite what'll inevitably happen in Season 3.)

Episode 1: Target

Season 3 should focus on Fisk attempting to both rise to power and with not only Punisher but other vigilantes like Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Hellcat and Colleen Wing also having taken out his competition, we can get Fisk having his same arc as he had back in both Miller's and Bendis' runs with him rising to power with Eric Slaughter as an early antagonist and Daredevil protecting him from Bullseye should be the focus of Episode 1. Bulleye gets away after Matt saves his life in the subway tunnels and Eric Slaughter is captured and put on trial with Matt defending him in court and asking the court to put him in protective custody. The prosecuting attorney is the new DA named Larry Cranston. Matt and Karen are shown to be dating.

Episode 2: Jailbreak

Episode 2 should be about Bullseye breaking Wilson Fisk out of prison on Vanessa's orders after the two of them get married behind bars. It should be a huge brawl between the loyal prison guards and the crooked ones where we can really see Bullseye let loose and go on a rampage with the freed inmates fleeing the jail, Bullseye opening Fisk's cell and then breaking him out in a shootout with the cops. I want to see Bullseye use everything handguns beyond effective range without missing a shot, stab people in the eye with pens and strangle people with bar stools and extension cords to show that he can figure out how to kill somebody in nearly any situation and that nearly anything is a weapon to him. Other assassins are brought in to assist in Fisk's escape are Typhoid, Bullet and Bushwhacker who all get some screen time after Bullseye reaches Fisk's cell and the three of them fight off the NYPD. Bullet is the guy who drives the car. Eric Slaughter's trial continues and without Foggy, Matt can't find a way to get out of the courtroom to handle Fisk's breakout. Melvin Potter is meeting with a woman named Beth Cabe to create a new type of prosthetic arm which is to be tested on somebody who lost lost one of hers' heroically in New York City and Potter is about to close the deal but has some reservations about Stark Industries' intentions after their last prosthetics operation backfired when a wounded vet was allowed to keep his robotic arm after serving and wound up becoming a gun for hire. Cabe informs Potter that that was back when Stark Industries was involved in building munitions and that Potter's design isn't a weapon.

Episode 3: Bushed

Slaughter in jail orders the execution of Wilson Fisk and gets the message recorded on a microcassette to be passed to Turk Barrett. He specifically says to not let his lawyer in on this. Turk blows up Fisk's safehouse but Fisk ins't in it. Only Vanessa is. Meanwhile, Buck Cashman confronts Melvin Potter and demands that he work for Fisk again. Potter refuses and Cashman takes a bottle of his medication off of a shelf and then says that he's coming for Betsy but he'll let her go if Potter cooperates. Carl Burbank starts eavesdropping on the police radio to know where Daredevil is and after a short fight against some robbers holding up a gas station, does battle with Burbank who has a gun for an arm. Since his gun-arm won't shapeshift like it does in the comics and he isn't a very interesting villain in the comics, he works best as a starter villain to be taken out quickly and give Matt some info on the Kingpin's plans and lets Matt know that it's open season on Daredevil and his friend Matt Murdoch. He's arrested and not seen again. Bullseye and Typhoid tasked with dealing with some of Kingpin's at the same time as the Bushwacker fight. Typhoid and Bullseye not only kill some innocent bystanders after they've surrendered but Typhoid seduces Bullseye after setting the building on fire since she has the power to manipulate fire which keeps the flames from touching them. One of the innocent warehouse workers was named Lopez and we hear sex sounds over the camera zooming in on his nametag. We see that Buck Cashman is a father and he's built his son a doomsday shelter in his backyard and lies to his son that he's a secret agent rather than a gangster.

Episode 4: Typhoid Fever

Melvin starts losing his grip on sanity and begins hearing voices. The Eric Slaughter case takes a turn for the worse when Larry Cranston begins questioning Slaughter on the explosion at Fisk's safehouse. Karen begins doing a story about the Fisk breakout and the attempt on Fisk's life. Vanessa's body was never recovered. Typhoid starts dating Fisk by taking advantage of his grief but also gets permission from Fisk to also seduce Matt Murdoch and find out what he knows about Daredevil. Bullseye is less than enthused by this and goes on a rampage shooting and then kills a whole SWAT team that shows up all because he didn't get the girl. Maya Lopez attends her father's funeral and meets Typhoid there. Maya is deaf so Typhoid writes out a note on a sheet of paper for her that says that Daredevil killed her father. Bullet catches his son trying to play with his guns and immediately stops him. Typhoid meets Matt in his civilian guise at Josie's after he gets into an argument with Karen.

Reposting since two pages passed after the first post.

 

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Also, I feel like Aubrey Plaza would make for a good Typhoid since I want somebody quirky and lovable for her but can also be completely nuts and can state baggage in a flat way without any sort of emotion behind it and is a very dark character portrayed in a very lighthearted way without really seeming like she cares about anything that she's doing. Plus her skin in her early issues had a reddish tint to it so I've always assumed that she's Latina.

Echo should be Genesis Rodriguez since she has crazy chops and has already worked with Disney/Marvel as part of the voice cast for Big Hero Six. She can easily play a character who never speaks but also can't hear what anyone else says.

I'd cast John Goodman as Bullet since he can play villains but he always has a likable quality to him and I feel like that fits Buck Cashman.

I'm drawing blanks on Larry Cranston but he needs to have this creepy aura to him that makes him seem like he's unlikable even though he's clearly trying to do the right thing in Season 3 but if there's a Season 4, he needs to switch over to play the villain and be a really twisted villain at that.

Bullseye needs a method actor to play him. We need somebody who when he's off camera will stay in character and be the most selfish, foul-mouthed and mean person imaginable who can try to annoy everybody on set and possibly get Charlie Cox to do a take where he forgets to pull his punches on him. Bullseye is defined just by how rude and cruel he is and we need an actor who can really pull off, "mean for the sake of it."

As for Bushwhacker... I really don't care who plays him. He's a minor villain who's just a henchman with a gun for an arm.

 

[Filmfan93]

Just finished the season. Wow. What a great ending! However, I really hope that Fisk is back as the villain in the next season, judging by his confrontation with Matt in the prison (which was actually my favorite scene from this season).

 

[Pokkle]

compared to Bullseye, Nobu is a nobody

Nobu Yoshioka is still a comic character.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Kagenobu_Yoshioka_(Earth-616)

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Fantastic series! The costume looked a lot better in action than in the stills (especially the new mask - the eyes look creepy). Thought it looked good +the new Billy Club was cool (was Potter a bit less ******ed this time?)

Loved Frank and Elektra. I really enjoyed seeing Matts viewpoint change over the course of the season. Though he wouldn't kill still (Nobu doesn't count as he's already dead) he wouldn't punish those killing for the rights reasons - or even hold it against them. I think it's no small coincidence that this was at a time when he'd closed himself off from his "Matt Murdoch" life entirely.

The season isn't without issues though -

The "Blacksmith" reveal. It was a bit too contrived; I mean, its the most ridiculously crazy coincidence that Castle's family happened to be at the carousel at the same time as a drug deal was going down that happened to have been organised by his old commanding officer.

Karen Page. I liked her in Season 1 but in this show she's just everywhere, too involved in all stories inexplicably, and too emotional all the time. She's the Felicity Smoak of the show. Even one of the Police comments on it as a joke in the end episodes (As if he can talk, he's the only policeman that seems to respond to anything himself)

Foggy I like the actor, and it's a fun character, but his constant moaning at Matt is boring now. Even Matt's bored of it. It's just annoying having him lecture Matt on his priorities and for thinking about himself when Matts out at night risking his life to fight armies of ninjas.

Pacing. It felt like a Punisher mini-season, Elecktra mini-season, and then a Hand mini-season. Each plot took a back seat as the others became more prominent so the whole narrative didn't flow very natural, and stories like Castles fizzled out a bit.

Unanswered questions - I don't mind a bit of mystery but some things seemed too important to forget about or just drop until the next season (unless i missed the explanations).
Why did the hand build a gigantic hole in the middle of New York?
Why did Karen think there wasn't more to Elektra being in Matts bed... when there was a blind pensioner with a sumarai sword casually strolling around the living room. Did she think he was there for a ********?
What was all the blood draining, and organic materials in their blood for?
If that chamber was used to bring people back from the dead, why was Nobu and everyone guarding it before Elektra was even dead? It can't have just been me that was expecting there to be somebody in there the whole time… that's what I assumed the blood was for.

 

[Syncos]

The "Blacksmith" reveal. It was a bit too contrived; I mean, its the most ridiculously crazy coincidence that Castle's family happened to be at the carousel at the same time as a drug deal was going down that happened to have been organised by his old commanding officer.

I've only watched it once, just having finished it last night. But it clearly seemed that the blacksmith said he tried to recruit Frank (like he did that other dude that frank killed at the ship), Frank turned him down, and Blacksmith intentionally set up a situation for Frank's family to be killed. It wasn't a coincidence.

 

[Syncos]

Punisher, Elektra and DD were great as characters, and the set pieces were great; but am I the only one who still can't figure out what the point of it all was?

First it was Punisher, and the cover up that killed his family. Then it was "The hand" and their plot to obtain Black Sky (for what I still don't know), then it was the plot to frame Frank Castle (Why? he'd already been convicted of 30+ murders, what does a couple extra murders do)? Neither of these stories were complete or made sense.

I'd still give it a 7/10 because the characters were great and they were great together, I just wish they ran with a cohesive story that tied all 3 characters into the story organically, but oh well. Looking forward to the Punisher!

1) What's not to understand about the punisher coverup? The DA didn't want to lose her career over getting civilians killed while ordering a sting in broad daylight in a public park.

2) All we know is that Electra is apparently a weapon, that the hand wants. I feel like there's still a lot we don't know about that scenario.

3) I assume "framing castle" is in reference to the DA, and Coroner being killed and Karen being attacked. This was Blacksmith trying to kill off anyone who had any leads to him. "tying up loose ends" Pinning it on Frank is just an easy way of keeping attention off of him. Like you said, the cops were after him anyway for 30+ kills

 

[javonstokess]

I've got no clue what some of you are complaining about.

I thought Season 2 was a big improvement over Season 1.

Best interpretation of the Punisher on screen and comic page. Elektra was incredible. Loved seeing the Kingpin, Nobu and Ghao again.

This was pure Daredevil. Couldn't have asked for more.

 

[Drz]

I didn't like the fact they killed Ben Urich just to have Karen Page take his role.

 

[the last son]

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Kingpin was lifting 495.

IMPOSSIBLE!

You're right! Him and Vincent D'onofrio have the same build.

 

[Overman27pj]

Damn Dasher! I'm going to come back and read this later, but love the passion.

 

[JC00]

I guess we're just to assume kingpin is somewhat superhuman like dd. Watching him lift 600 or whatever pounds made for a good laugh.

World record for a bench press is 1100lbs

 

[P Supreme]

I didn't like the fact they killed Ben Urich just to have Karen Page take his role.

My only complaint really I find Karen annoying and Loved the way Fisk accepted being "the kingpin" love Vincent

 

[javonstokess]

I didn't like the fact they killed Ben Urich just to have Karen Page take his role.

I kinda agree. Killing Ben Urich, to me, was the only real misstep by the show's creators in 2 seasons.

I understand the reasoning, but it still sucks.

 

[Overman27pj]

Loved Season 2, but I think Season 1 was slightly better, as far as flow and sense. I still am not sure what a Black Sky is, what those kids were doing, or what organic materials matter in their blood stream.

I'm also not sure how Karen figured out who Blacksmith was after looking at that picture, or how and why the Punisher was helping out at the end.

However, other than a few headscratchers like that (and it could have been me missing something (which is prone to happen on a binge watch)), loved the passion and intensity involved. Amazing characters. I may actually go read a Daredevil comic now!!!

 

[javonstokess]

Loved Season 2, but I think Season 1 was slightly better, as far as flow and sense. I still am not sure what a Black Sky is, what those kids were doing, or what organic materials matter in their blood stream.

Black Sky = person/weapon to be used for evil. My guess is the stuff they put in the kids blood incubates and creates something they can siphon off them and transfer to whatever they put in that container.

I'm also not sure how Karen figured out who Blacksmith was after looking at that picture, or how and why the Punisher was helping out at the end.

The guy from the picture was one of the dead guys she saw while waiting at the pier.

However, other than a few headscratchers like that (and it could have been me missing something (which is prone to happen on a binge watch)), loved the passion and intensity involved. Amazing characters. I may actually go read a Daredevil comic now!!!

Agreed. That show was pure Daredevil. My nitpicks were minor.

 

[JC00]

I'm also not sure how Karen figured out who Blacksmith was after looking at that picture, or how and why the Punisher was helping out at the end.

She figured it out because one of the bodies pulled out of the explosion (same guy that said something to Frank before the boat blew up) was in a picture with Frank and Ray.

Well we saw him turn the police radio on so he obviously heard about it and came..

 

[third3ye]

I'm also not sure how Karen figured out who Blacksmith was after looking at that picture

She just started putting things together when she recognized that was the same soldier who died at the pier. Probably figured ex-military guys from the Colonel's unit + heroin from Middle East where they were deployed + Castle being targeted at the carousel = Colonel is now a suspect. Bit of a leap but they were rushing towards the end.