Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 8

[TheVileOne]

They may not show the origins again, but they don't have to with a rebooted cast. Same thing with Tom Holland.

 

[Lencho01]

Charlie Cox Speaks Out About Daredevil's Cancelation: 'I'm Very Saddened'

 

[terry78]

I'm sure he is.

 

[zenith16]

sure if you want a watered down Punisher, LC, JJ, and Daredevil

nah disney's bob igor said he was inspired by the idea about what fox was doing withthe new mutant as horror storand looking atthe Idea of other genres I'm sure there will be room for gritty if he'll allow horror to be a thing .

 

[zenith16]

so it' his word against dead line which has be trending

so I got this from EPN..tv which got this from Dead line spoke top someone that was close the deal and sorry this was netflix. & that all we things we thought and it was indeed for the reason's said in previous pages netflix wanted sole ownership of the marvel shows. and they shut it down cause they didn't own them the actors or the shows. it's is indeed marvel's call they hired the actors and the shows are theirs.



Detail in the 5th segment of the video below & the Deadline article confriming it

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Confriming the video above
‘Daredevil’: Netflix Turned A Blind Eye To Viewer Demand By Canceling Marvel Series


on Dec 4, 2018 5:30 pm 81 comments

When Netflix executives decided to cancel the Marvel series Daredevil, it turned a blind eye to viewer demand. That’s evident in the latest numbers from Parrot Analytics which reveal that Daredevil ranked fourth last week in viewer demand among all digital originals in the U.S. across all streaming platforms. Demand for the sightless superhero series was surpassed only by three shows (Narcos, The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and Stranger Things, all from Netflix) during… READ

source: The Electric Playground Network | EPN & Deadline

 

[TheVileOne]

Is it so hard to just post a Deadline link and text?

Also Netflix wanting sole ownership of the Marvel content makes no sense. They can't own solely own characters or properties that already belong to Marvel.

 

[zenith16]

Is it so hard to just post a Deadline link and text?

Also Netflix wanting sole ownership of the Netflix content makes no sense. They can't own solely own characters or properties that already belong to Marvel.

seeing that it was via EPN.tv where I found out about it and saw others that sourced it as well .... be side's it took me time to find the deadline one it has alot of pages of the news on the tv side. it took 14 pages from that actual source.to find just the day after.

The video's easier. and still accurrate or tries his best and states the source for those skeptical and this man well known through both the games & comic geek industry.

 

[The Overlord]

Is it so hard to just post a Deadline link and text?

Also Netflix wanting sole ownership of the Marvel content makes no sense. They can't own solely own characters or properties that already belong to Marvel.

Netflix knows this, which is why they canceled this show, they would rather focus on shows they own outright then shows that promote a competitor's brand. These shows would be around if Disney did not decide to get into the streaming business.

 

[zenith16]

Netflix knows this, which is why they canceled this show, they would rather focus on shows they own outright then shows that promote a competitor's brand. These shows would be around if Disney did not decide to get into the streaming business.

your on the money, sadly this is the case and when you look at it all, the same thing will happen to Dc since warnner own's the cw and they have their own streaming service for that . and now Dc own's their own streaming service as well. Point is with net flix they got parnoid & petty over it.

But it is indeed over the fact that disney made a streaming service and will own a majority of hulu via them buying fox which own's the other half.

Both warner & DC own two streaming services as well and Net flix want's their own priority shows which they out right own and will control with out question.



and t net flix has millar world other where they can do so among theyare buying up where they will own and control.

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I'm in such an odd business. Don't feel bad folks it makes no sense. 'Daredevil’ Cancelation Is Bad News for Netflix, as Data Reveals Demand Still Huge

‘Daredevil’ Cancelation Is Bad News for Netflix, as Data Demand Still Huge...
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Epecially after what was said on deadline which reached other news outlets. so I'm sure the actors if asked , like moving to hulu or if the marvel tv divison does what Dc has done and start a streaming channel service of their own & still distrbutes it to other streaming portal's like "crave tv" & "Shaw Tv" ( see where I'm at with this )next to others ETC as outlets.

it'll be a big blow to netflix . they vew the show & actors as not owned by them.like a bad parent that abandons their kids.

when you think about it all it's petty view wise. but they made this chose partly out paranoina and their not owning whole series thinking they don't need it.

So take them (the shows & the actors) some where else. or create one( a place) and you do the stuff you weren't able to do before like have them guest star and cross over with other marvel characters of the MCU. The univers with outlimits or obstruction. or excuse's. looking at the cross rating for CW, I'm sure anything marvel will do will indeed be better. story wise & more

 

[Madam-Shogun]

nah disney's bob igor said he was inspired by the idea about what fox was doing withthe new mutant as horror storand looking atthe Idea of other genres I'm sure there will be room for gritty if he'll allow horror to be a thing .

Dude Punisher is not showing up on Disney+

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Disney+ deosnt want violent content such as Punisher cie ...

-Disney+ cant reprise characters from Netflix without rebooting these characters
-But Feige takes care about coherences of his universe and rebooting will make no sense
-They said Dardevil will appear in futures Marvel projects so Disney+ would probably bring DD back in MCU

What are the issues

Cap and cie will travel to back (Avengers' events) and retconning Defenders'event ???

 

[Lencho01]

Netflix Says Its Marvel Shows Really Weren't That Binge-Worthy This Year

 

[Mike Murdock]

Didn't they say they cancelled Netflix because they wanted to end it on a high note?

 

[zenith16]

Disney+ deosnt want violent content such as Punisher cie ...

-Disney+ cant reprise characters from Netflix without rebooting these characters
-But Feige takes care about coherences of his universe and rebooting will make no sense
-They said Dardevil will appear in futures Marvel projects so Disney+ would probably bring DD back in MCU

What are the issues

Cap and cie will travel to back (Avengers' events) and retconning Defenders'event ???

the actors are free to be used
as stated below from Newsarama via dead line yet again

This clause doesn't seem to preclude actors from these shows from appearing in other non-Netflix Marvel projects; both Stan Lee and Alfre Woodard have appeared as different characters on both sides of the Netflix/Marvel Studios divide

THR also notes that The Punisher - whose second season is said to debut in January - was not part of the initial Marvel/Netflix deal, and therefore may not (or may) be subject to this clause. However since Punisher debuted in Daredevil before being spun off, these contract terms are very unclear.

it'll give the writer's at marvel enough time to sort things & since this was linked to the Cinimatic univers and certain characters from that are getting tv series of their own ..... it should tenichally apply to both sin the tv serise were link to the cinimatice universe .

but they're the ones to answer this best.

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MARVEL's NETFLIX Heroes Have 2-Year No-Appearance Clause In Any Other Projects - Report
Although Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist don't have a future at Netflix - they may not be appearing anywhere for the next two years due to a clause in the Walt Disney Company's original 2013 agreement with Netflix, according to Deadline.
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Although Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist don't have a future at Netflix - they may not be appearing anywhere for the next two years due to a clause in the Walt Disney Company's original 2013 agreement with Netflix, according to Deadline.

The Hollywood trade reports that the characters which debuted in the shows - as well as the shows themselves - are effectively mothballed from any non-Netflix projects for two years from the date of their cancellation. If we go by the dates their cancellations were announced, these clauses would elapse October 15, 2020 for Iron Fist, October 22, 2020 for Luke Cage, and November 29, 2020 for Daredevil.

A similiar window of exclusivity for DVD and Blu-ray editions of Marvel's Netflix shows has led to those physical releases coming out 18 to 24 months after their streaming debut.

This clause doesn't seem to preclude actors from these shows from appearing in other non-Netflix Marvel projects; both Stan Lee and Alfre Woodard have appeared as different characters on both sides of the Netflix/Marvel Studios divide.

THR also notes that The Punisher - whose second season is said to debut in January - was not part of the initial Marvel/Netflix deal, and therefore may not (or may) be subject to this clause. However since Punisher debuted in Daredevil before being spun off, these contract terms are very unclear.

Marvel's initial deal with Netflix was announced October 2013, with their flagship show - Daredevil - debuting in April 2015.

 

[TheVileOne]

These shows and actors are never coming back. It's just the fact, jack.

 

[hellblazer103]

Netflix Says Its Marvel Shows Really Weren't That Binge-Worthy This Year

I love how Charlie's face in the article perfectly says "wtf you mean ? "

Oh and uuuh for anyone interested, I recently made a tribute to this beautiful show. You can watch it here :

 

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[Lencho01]

 

[BarryAllen]

But ultimately, what is gained by rebooting them outright? The core story is the same. Do we always want to see the same 2 or 3 stories covered for Daredevil? Do we need to see Danny come back to NY from Kun Lun or Luke break out of prison again? These stories have been done. When the MCU introduced us to T'Challa, he was already established with his own backstory. Granted, there was not a Black Panther show done before CW, but you can approach the Defenders the same exact way, only with the shows acting as backstory. I would rather see them approached like BP in that way. We never see T'Challa earn or train for the mantle of Black Panther. He just is Black Panther and we moved forward. Matt is already DD. Luke and Danny started HFH. Jessica is a PI. Etc. Just start them there and move forward. It's not exactly rocket science and the general audience wouldn't be anymore confused than they were for T'Challa, and fans can use the show for backstory to make it better for them. It's win/win. Even in this model, the actor playing the Defenders wouldn't ultimately matter (though I would prefer to keep Cox and the DD cast myself).

Not so much for Daredevil, but there is a lot for Luke Cage and Iron Fist. The Netflix versions of both weren't great or comic accurate to begin with, to the point where they never really seemed to understand the characters.

A rebooted version (say a Power Man and Iron Fist movie) could be a buddy cop style movie about them teaming up for the first time and giving the audiences a new take on their origins that flow better and inform the characters' personalities and motivations much better.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Not so much for Daredevil, but there is a lot for Luke Cage and Iron Fist. The Netflix versions of both weren't great or comic accurate to begin with, to the point where they never really seemed to understand the characters.

A rebooted version (say a Power Man and Iron Fist movie) could be a buddy cop style movie about them teaming up for the first time and giving the audiences a new take on their origins that flow better and inform the characters' personalities and motivations much better.

Why couldn't they just run with that now? Again, why even bother rebooting? Just have them be a buddy team-up show and move on. You want to overhaul how the characters act, write them differently. Like any new creative team does when they take something over.

 

[BarryAllen]

Why couldn't they just run with that now? Again, why even bother rebooting? Just have them be a buddy team-up show and move on. You want to overhaul how the characters act, write them differently. Like any new creative team does when they take something over.

Except I don't want them to be a show, I want a thorough reboot as a movie with more comic accurate castings and portrayals, and without any of the baggage these shows bring. Fiege thinks along these lines, which is why Spiderman got rebooted before joining the MCU, and the same will happen to X-Men and FF4.

The problem with just using the old actors/continuity is nothing will flow properly. These aren't comics. Characters can't just start acting radically different (and even in comics with new creative teams, characters have some consistency). MCU Iron Man generally acts the same in his multiple appearances. Same goes for Captain America and the rest. These Netflix portrayals of Luke and Danny are best forgotten because they aren't good or comic accurate in the slightest. The results speak for themselves because the shows never really clicked with the public or took off like they hypothetically could've.

 

[TheVileOne]

By rebooting them they can potentially turn them into billion dollar movie franchises under the Marvel banner if there's a will to do so. Not saying that's what I want to happen, but that could be the thought process.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I understand the thought process. I'm dubious that a reboot is required for that.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Except I don't want them to be a show, I want a thorough reboot as a movie with more comic accurate castings and portrayals, and without any of the baggage these shows bring. Fiege thinks along these lines, which is why Spiderman got rebooted before joining the MCU, and the same will happen to X-Men and FF4.

The problem with just using the old actors/continuity is nothing will flow properly. These aren't comics. Characters can't just start acting radically different (and even in comics with new creative teams, characters have some consistency). MCU Iron Man generally acts the same in his multiple appearances. Same goes for Captain America and the rest. These Netflix portrayals of Luke and Danny are best forgotten because they aren't good or comic accurate in the slightest. The results speak for themselves because the shows never really clicked with the public or took off like they hypothetically could've.

Not that I think recasting is required, but even if you want to go that route, then recast. Again, there is no need to reboot. Did we need another Banner origin movie when they got Ruffallo? No. Also, upon recasting both Cheadle and Ruffallo played their roles VERY differently from their previous counterparts. So yes you can. Also to use a non CBM example, watch Rocky. Then go watch Rocky IV. Do you see how differently Rocky is portrayed? That was written by the same guy. Characters being written differently is common in cinema/TV.

As for them not being comic accurate, honestly that is a matter of preference. But even the MCU movies have made drastic changes to comic characters. Remember Thanos? The guy who is obsessed with Mistress Death? Oh wait, she isn't a thing in these movies. Well that's not comic accurate. Where is the masked glued to Zemo's face (or a mask at all)? Didn't Hank Pym build Ultron? When did Hela become Thor's sister? Etc. I can do this all day. There is no real indicator that "more accurate versions" would have been any more popular.

 

[Pennywise]

Yes, Charlie Cox Signed the #SaveDaredevil Petition

When asked if he had signed the #SaveDaredevil campaign, Cox revealed that he in fact had recently done so. "I wasn’t sure about adding my email because I’m not very technically savvy, and I didn’t want to suddenly put my email online," the actor said. "I don’t know if it was visible or not. But what I did do is I made a fake email for my two-year-old daughter, and she signed it [laughter]."

Still don't think S4 will ever happen, but this shows how awesome Charlie is!