Daredevil reboot: official discussion thread

[Rich Santoro]

Definitely restart it with a whole different tone and vision. much like nolan did with batman. Don't try to make a movie to fit into it's genre. Make it a legit movie, not just a "superhero movie". substance first and then add the fantasy/comic aspect to it. In batman begins we dont even see a costume until an hour into the movie. And it didnt seem like i was watching an origin to a superhero, but rather a building and development of a character. the reason why they do what they do, not how they happened to become what they are. Start the movie with murdock already as daredevil and a lawyer, and just have flashbacks of his "origin" like in batman begins, only when an occasion arises that deems it necessary to know his background, for example as his blindness is brought up, flashback to a scene of how he became blind, and so on. maybe, just maybe add stick into one of the flashbacks. and also like batman begins, dont even show him in his costume until half way into the movie, when matt murdock is already developed as a person. also the world he lives in, mainly his battle of justice with the city's crime, mainly kingpin. That's all i got so far, that was just off the top of my head.

If that is just off the top of your head, I want to see what is inside... because this is pretty good. Get acquainted with MM before we start jumping off buildings... and the flashbacks are a good way to "reboot" any necessary details, without having to revisit an origin film.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

Agreed. Punisher doesn't stand out on film as a character the way he does in the comics. A vigilante hero with lots of guns who kills everything in sight is not a radical premise for an action movie these days.

you've clearly never read the MAX Series...

anyway, i say Matthew Fox for MM...i suggested him for Captain America but I can see him do either.

 

[WillardNation]

I could definitely see Chris Pine as Matt Murdock. But like everybody has said, as long as it's in the hands of Fox it'll be total *****.

 

[dlClingenpeel]

remake and keep ben out of it

 

[Jordacar]

Unless he directs. I could see that.

 

[[A]]

Yeah, he can direct

 

[cerealkiller182]

I thought affleck made an excellent Murdock/Daredevil and was the least of the problems in the movie.

 

[Jordacar]

you've clearly never read the MAX Series....

The MAX series is one of maybe 5 complete Punisher stories I have read.

 

[darknite17]

I like the Chris Pine idea but im not convinced that he could act blind well. That was one of my main gripes about Afflecks MM, he couldn't make it look believable at all. wasn't gracefull enough in the suit either.
I think if its going to be a reboot it should be a scene-for-scene adaptation of Miller/Romita Jr The Man Without Fear.
All Fox need to do is inject the movie with a big budget and appraoch directors with balls and vision and step away! I'd say maybe Joe Carnahan (Narc, Smokin' Aces) at the helm and perhaps Robert Redford as Matt Murdock if you have a time machine.

 

[darknite17]

F**k Affleck its all about this guy who knows how act and fight..

 

[-JKR-]

Helloooo baaaby...

First of all, I didn't like Mark Steven Johnson's Daredevil. It tried too hard to be both 'comic book-y' and to be more adult than other comic book adaptations back then - and he failed miserably. The script and direction of the Daredevil movie are a joke. The film's simply too ridiculous, and seems more like a bad videogame.

Christopher Nolan definitely got it right with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, the latter being the best comic book adaptation for me. As an action movie it had more to offer than other recent 'ultra-slick action movies', as it had some really raw and exciting setpieces. The film is excellent.

But the last thing I'd want for a new Daredevil would be a TDK rip-off. So, the reboot definitely needs a good storyline and has to emphasize on those elements which make Daredevil such an interesting and unique character. I'd say focus on Matt Murdock, the first handicapped superhero, and show his fight against crime, both as lawyer and as masked hero.

I really think that with the right script and exciting action, a new Daredevil could have bigger (budgeted) movie - and it should be R rated. The comics often handeled several themes such as religion, drugs and violence explicitly, and so should the movie. Make a movie for adults, make it believable, make it serious, not such a ridiculous attempt at making a 'cool movie for kids' like the 2003 version. Really, Ben Affleck was the last of the first movie's problems.

Other than that, get someone like Joe Carnahan, Darren Aronofsky or Shane Black to direct the movie, and make it an old school, R-rated action thriller (I'm thinking about flicks such as The Last Boyscout here).

 

[-JKR-]

First, I think Marvel should get the rights to Daredevil back.

Then, Marvel should "reboot" Daredevil, in the Incredible Hulk style. Instead of an origin film, just briefly restate the origin in a couple flashbacks and get to the action.

Matthew Fox seems to be a good choice to me, good name, not too Hollywood.

They should reboot it in Daredevil style. No need to use The Incredible Hulk as a template for a new Daredevil. That movie was generic enough. It's much more important who's writing and directing it.

 

[The Major]

Helloooo baaaby...

First of all, I didn't like Mark Steven Johnson's Daredevil. It tried too hard to be both 'comic book-y' and to be more adult than other comic book adaptations back then - and he failed miserably. The script and direction of the Daredevil movie are a joke. The film's simply too ridiculous, and seems more like a bad videogame.

Christopher Nolan definitely got it right with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, the latter being the best comic book adaptation for me. As an action movie it had more to offer than other recent 'ultra-slick action movies', as it had some really raw and exciting setpieces. The film is excellent.

But the last thing I'd want for a new Daredevil would be a TDK rip-off. So, the reboot definitely needs a good storyline and has to emphasize on those elements which make Daredevil such an interesting and unique character. I'd say focus on Matt Murdock, the first handicapped superhero, and show his fight against crime, both as lawyer and as masked hero.

I really think that with the right script and exciting action, a new Daredevil could have bigger (budgeted) movie - and it should be R rated. The comics often handeled several themes such as religion, drugs and violence explicitly, and so should the movie. Make a movie for adults, make it believable, make it serious, not such a ridiculous attempt at making a 'cool movie for kids' like the 2003 version. Really, Ben Affleck was the last of the first movie's problems.

Other than that, get someone like Joe Carnahan, Darren Aronofsky or Shane Black to direct the movie, and make it an old school, R-rated action thriller (I'm thinking about flicks such as The Last Boyscout here).

Agreed.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Am I the only person that thinks R for DD is too much? Look at what TDK gets away with at PG-13. That level of dark is perfect for DD. Why do we need the R? Seems excessive to me.

 

[danger]

You don't need to rip off TDK. Just go into the project with the same mindset. You already have a unique, extraordinary story without the whole superhero aspect. A blind lawyer in hells kitchen trying to go up against a powerful crime boss controlling all the crime in the city. I'm just saying set that table first, and then throw in his powers and his crime fighting outside of the court room. make it something like, half way through the movie, after a setback in the justice system, it could be like, oh by the way, cut to flashback of some sort, there was a little side effect when matt murdock was blinded. and then cut to him posted on a rooftop in full daredevil gear, or something like that. I'm just winging this so it could be a lot better.

oh and more casting...
ben urich

 

[darknite17]

The Last Boy Scout was excellent. Tony Scott gave it that city-wide crime-caper quality that would suit Hells Kitchen down to the ground, much like Ridley's Black Rain was the for Gotham/Hong Kong scenes TDK IMO.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

I used to be a Matt Damon man for Murdoch but Michael C. Hall is just too perfect... Like Downey Jr perfect. With Kevin James as Foggy.
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/09/26/kevin-james-mall-cop.jpg

And whoever suggested Hugh Laurie for Urich is a freakin' genius.

 

[darknite17]

This Micheal C Hall guy would be pretty good, ive seen him in Dexter which is really popular over here in the UK. Everyone else would need to dye hair to get that red-devilish hair the type that only Matt Murdock has, another plus point is that MC Hall has a good acting voice and could pull off the legal proffessional aspect of MM.

But the studio in question would rather give it to a 'name' star, but you never know.

Why don't HBO or anybody just buy the rights and maybe we could have a hard-boiled TV series like 24 and Sopranos, real big budget American TV cop style. 50 mins each week and have all the different comic writers such as Bendis, Miller and Smith to flesh out the characters. Like an adult Smallville on crack!

 

[The Major]

Why don't HBO or anybody just buy the rights and maybe we could have a hard-boiled TV series like 24 and Sopranos, real big budget American TV cop style. 50 mins each week and have all the different comic writers such as Bendis, Miller and Smith to flesh out the characters.

A DD series on HBO would be great.

Just keep Miller away from it.

Besides Bendis and Smith they could get Guggenheim to write it.

Gene Colan could produce it.

Like an adult Smallville on crack!

DD should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Smallville.

 

[darknite17]

I really think in the future when Hollywood decides its had enough of the superhero genre, like they did with Westerns in the 50's and 60's, that televison might be the next logical step to explore. It certainly would'nt hurt the comic book industry either, if some of the mid-range characters had that level of televison exposure.
Its great also that many posters have suggested talented actors that are primarily known for TV dramas as opposed to the usual Hollywood gliteratti like Hugh Laurie and Kevin James (excellent choice by the way mate) and MC Hall etc.

'Heroes' and 'Clone Wars' are way ahead of the curve when it comes to this. Offering a very high production value regardless of budget. All I can say is that it worked for Incredible Hulk with Bixby/Ferringho in the 70's and watching that as a child was amazing.

The youth of today have only the teen-angst Superman which I apologize for even mentioning in the same sentence as DD! My bad.

 

[-JKR-]

Yeah, no... I'd rather have another DD movie rather than a TV series.

 

[darknite17]

Well they've only got one more shot at it to get it right. Lets hope the powers that be can appreciate that this is a very popular yet underground character that needs great creative team behind it, starting with a watertight script and a proven director.

The Nolan Bros. have raised the bar in story telling as most of us have eluded to many times. Lets hope DD can share some of that success, and i'm not talking dollars here but credibilty as a film.

Mark Steven Johnsons take has no repeat value what so ever, but I think people are willing to put that behind them now. Lets move on to another vision no punn intended.

 

[Ultradude]

reboot with no origin, written and directed by frank miller done in the style of renaissance (perhaps with some splashes of colour...maybe)

that is what I would love to see but its fox so would never ever happen

Do you mean it should be animated? Or a live action version of the Renaissance style? If so this is what Sin City is. If you "splash" some colors on it this is what The Spirit is. With Miller in the mix it would be "more of the same" part 3. The Spirit is "more of the same" part 2. Yes, I know it's not B&W like Sin City but it looks basically the same. Besides, I think Miller has no business directing films. Maybe he could write the script for a DD reboot but keep him away from the director's chair. He could have done a lot with the Spirit visually but he chose to do a Sin City recycling.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Jay Karnes for Ben Urich!

 

[Rich Santoro]

With the talk about a new Crow film... I have to say, the original Crow is the treatment that I would most like for DD. It really seems like they sort of went that route in the first one, but not as well. The visuals, lighting, texture, tone and action of the Crow was WAY better.

Is Proyas available???