Daredevil reboot: official discussion thread

[MadVillainy]

No TV show. THat would just waste time. They should focus on the big screen adaption.

 

[The Overlord]

Yea but Bullseye is the best villain DD's ever had.

You could make Bullseye into a reoccuring menace. But that doesn't mean he would be the ONLY menace.

Too many villains can spoil a movie, like with Spidey 3.

Yes Bullseye is one of DD's better villains, but that doesn't mean he should be used in every movie. He is going to wear out his welcome and Kingpin will likely appear in most of the movies, so you don't need Bullseye to do so as well.

Frankly I think it would better to foreshadow Bullseye and build up and then have him appear in the second rebooted movie. Having kingpin and Bullseye appear in the first reboot movie is too similar to the first movie. When Batman was rebooted, Joker didn't appear in Batman begins, so maybe its better to save Bullseye for later.

 

[Jordacar]

Too many villains can spoil a movie, like with Spidey 3.

Yes Bullseye is one of DD's better villains, but that doesn't mean he should be used in every movie. He is going to wear out his welcome and Kingpin will likely appear in most of the movies, so you don't need Bullseye to do so as well.

Frankly I think it would better to foreshadow Bullseye and build up and then have him appear in the second rebooted movie. Having kingpin and Bullseye appear in the first reboot movie is too similar to the first movie. When Batman was rebooted, Joker didn't appear in Batman begins, so maybe its better to save Bullseye for later.

Which would be even easier to do on a TV series.

 

[Rich Santoro]

No TV show. THat would just waste time. They should focus on the big screen adaption.

They already did a big screen adaptation, and the damage is done. Whether you or I, or even a majority of folks on this board liked it... it was a let down (in terms of profits and cinematically). It won't have general audience support for another run.

However, overall, the marvel label is going strong so there is an opportunity to take characters into different forms of media. A serial would be great for a detective, thriller, action program like DD. A Marvel Knights anthology with DD as a central character would be fantasic IMO.

 

[Judson Caspian]

It won't have general audience support for another run.

With a good trailer, it will.

 

[QWoods]

I just hope and pray that the rights get switched back to Marvel and MCH and Rhona Mitra get cast as DD and Elektra

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

Just adapt Frank Miller's the man without fear for a reboot. Michael C. Hall or Guy Pearce would be a fine DD.

 

[Rich Santoro]

With a good trailer, it will.

Hmmm... that is all it will take???

 

[The Overlord]

Just adapt Frank Miller's the man without fear for a reboot. Michael C. Hall or Guy Pearce would be a fine DD.

The story in Man Without Fear was a bit disjointed and Kingpin selling child porn would likely offend a lot of moral guardians out there, so I would likely change the story a bit for film.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

DD should be a hard R like the Crow.

 

[The Overlord]

DD should be a hard R like the Crow.

I don't like Kingpin being a child porn distributor, it makes him too unlikable, IMO.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

Unlikable? He's the goddamn kingpin of crime! That's how antagonists work in movies.

 

[The Overlord]

Unlikable? He's the goddamn kingpin of crime! That's how antagonists work in movies.

Kingpin should not be a Complete Monster, even in the comics he had sympathetic moments, like caring for his sick wife. He was never pure evil like was in that story.

 

[Rich Santoro]

^ Agreed... plus Kingpin should be able to rule from the inside as well. As I understand it... child molesters and the like, are not well regarded on the inside.

 

[The Overlord]

^ Agreed... plus Kingpin should be able to rule from the inside as well. As I understand it... child molesters and the like, are not well regarded on the inside.

Well there are gangster scummy enough to sell kiddie porn, they aren't pedophiles, but they are willing to make money off them. However I don't think Kingpin should be that evil.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

Kingpin should not be a Complete Monster, even in the comics he had sympathetic moments, like caring for his sick wife. He was never pure evil like was in that story.

Don't doubt Frank Miller. He knows what he's doing. He practically invented modern Batman. He made DD cool (which is pretty hard to do).

For all intents and purposes, it's almost impossible to stick to the comic anyway. Liberties have to be taken with any adaptation. I'm just saying make the DD reboot a hard "R", not just a chick flick with Ben Affleck.

 

[The Overlord]

Don't doubt Frank Miller. He knows what he's doing. He practically invented modern Batman. He made DD cool (which is pretty hard to do).

Frank Miller has lost his mind, all of his recent stuff sucks, so I do doubt him.

The fact is there is a difference between an ordinary evil villain and a repulsively evil villain, it would be hard to think of Kingpin of classy and cool villain if he is dealing in kiddie porn. Kingpin should be evil, but not that evil.

For all intents and purposes, it's almost impossible to stick to the comic anyway. Liberties have to be taken with any adaptation. I'm just saying make the DD reboot a hard "R", not just a chick flick with Ben Affleck.

I don't think that's realistic, especially after watchmen failed at the Box office.

I think more realistic is hard PG-13 like we saw in Dark Knight.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

Frank Miller has lost his mind, all of his recent stuff sucks, so I do doubt him.

The fact is there is a difference between an ordinary evil villain and a repulsively evil villain, it would be hard to think of Kingpin of classy and cool villain if he is dealing in kiddie porn. Kingpin should be evil, but not that evil.



I don't think that's realistic, especially after watchmen failed at the Box office.

I think more realistic is hard PG-13 like we saw in Dark Knight.

Watchmen failed because it was a long, boring retread on a comic that had relevance during the final days of the cold war.

Even if Frank Miller has lost his mind, he still gave us tolerable DD and modern Batman. I'm still waiting for Holy Terror Batman.

An "R" rated Daredevil is the only way to salvage yet another Fox comic franchise ruined by studio greed.

Your attempt to categorize varying levels of "evil" is just a means to satisfy your own moral objections to The Man Without Fear and how the Kingpin was handled. Liberties are going to be taken, drinking the Nolan Kool-Aid isn't going to save the character on film.

The Dark Knight made a lot of money because it got teenage girls who had a crush on Heath Ledger to spend their parent's money on ticket sales.

 

[Rich Santoro]

The Dark Knight made a lot of money because it got teenage girls who had a crush on Heath Ledger to spend their parent's money on ticket sales.

This... as well as several other comments, has blown your credibility... You can no longer be taken seriously.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea seriously that's up there in the dumbest things I've read on here. And I've read a lot of dumb things.

The Kingpin doesn't need to be a child porn dealer. That is just typical Frank Miller nonsense. Don't get me wrong the guy has done some great stuff, but he is so prone to doing extreme things with characters for no other reason than shock value. Making Kingpin sell child porn falls into this category.

Kingpin should just be your typical crime lord. Running protection rackets, drug smuggling, gun running, vice and gambling. Him selling child porn is completely unnecessary.

 

[[A]]

Please don't make the Kingpin a child-porn dealer. If anything, they should show him beating one of these basterds.

edit: a dealer and a buyer, maybe (Catman?)

 

[Ace of Knaves]

 

[The Overlord]

Yea seriously that's up there in the dumbest things I've read on here. And I've read a lot of dumb things.

The Kingpin doesn't need to be a child porn dealer. That is just typical Frank Miller nonsense. Don't get me wrong the guy has done some great stuff, but he is so prone to doing extreme things with characters for no other reason than shock value. Making Kingpin sell child porn falls into this category.

Kingpin should just be your typical crime lord. Running protection rackets, drug smuggling, gun running, vice and gambling. Him selling child porn is completely unnecessary.

Well you can adapt the Man Without Fear storyline without that aspect. Kingpin could be trying to kill that little girl because she is a witness to a crime or something, that's bad, but its not disgusting. Also if you are going to adapt the Man Without Fear, they should do more to connect the Elektra and Kingpin, isn't having the Elektra storyline ending it and then having a time skip to deal with the Kingpin story line. Either drop the Elektra or connect more to the Kingpin plot. Also if they are going that route, perhaps they should take elements from Daredevil Yellow, as well.

 

[sabetoonth]

i am on the "antikiddyporn kingpin" wagon, so yeah totally not gonna work, and unnecessary, does millar ever do in continuity stuff? he does go to the extreme alot

 

[cerealkiller182]

Don't doubt Frank Miller. He knows what he's doing. He practically invented modern Batman. He made DD cool (which is pretty hard to do).

Id give Dennis O'Neill more credit than Frank Miller.

And Brubaker did a great job at making DD cool.