BvS David S. Goyer IS the Script Writer! - Part 2

[Space Ghost]

While I agree that origin movies tend to take some heat simply for that fact (unless they are the very first origin movie because otherwise people have that "Oh, this again!" reaction even if it has been years), I think MOS's issues stem more from the fact that they tried to cram an origin story in with an alien invasion story. The origin felt too condensed and not fleshed out.

I agree. Two things in the same movie. One of them is going to suffer. In this case, both suffered a little bit. Personally i would have concentrated more on the invasion than on Clark Kent´s origin story.

I wonder how they´re gonna portray fake clark. Do you think Cavill can pull out a good Idiot Kent?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Btw, i think origin stories always limit a little bit the potential of a movie.

Batman Begins, an origin movie, was not as well received as TDK.

TFA, an origin movie, was not as well received as TWS.

Spider-Man, an origin movie, was not as well received as Spider-Man 2.

Maybe there´s a tendency here.

Now this is a post I like! Not only do origin stories have quite a bit of ground to cover, Superman essentially has a two stage origin, something is pretty much always going to get shortchanged, or not be written well enough.

 

[MrsKent26]

I agree. Two things in the same movie. One of them is going to suffer. In this case, both suffered a little bit. Personally i would have concentrated more on the invasion than on Clark Kent´s origin story.

I wonder how they´re gonna portray fake clark. Do you think Cavill can pull out a good Idiot Kent?

I would have done the opposite and focused more on the origin. I wanted to see an epic unfolding towards Earth's Greast Protector. It sort of happened, but it was in truncated flashbacks, as opposed to a flowing narrative. However, my vision really ignores the action factor. I can see why they wanted the invasion. A superman movie should have big action. So, while I wanted more origin, I wouldn't want to cut the invasion down. Maybe the movie needed to be longer or divided into two parts or something. I'm not sure.

As for the DP Clark persona...

I really hope they make an effort to have Clark appear different than Superman. That is the beauty (and the point) of him having two identities. They need to be obviously different. If you look at Cavill's performance early in the movie as wandering Clark, he is quiet and meek. That's how I hope he acts as DP Clark. I do not want idiot Clark at all (not a fan of Reeve Clark). For Superman, he should be confident like he was in his scenes with Swanwick. I just want to see that contrast.

 

[Psycho_Sith]

Basically anyone who is invested in these beloved characters is going to have varying opinions or see flaws where others won't.

I have my gripes about MoS, about TDK & TDKR, friggin hate Batman Returns, so on and so forth...but that all stems from my love of the characters.

Sometimes I envy the "uninitiated' general moviegoer who knows nothing about the changes many of us see as monumental when the GA miss them all.

...to each his own; I personally like Goyer's storytelling fabric with MoS & BB of back, forward, back, back, present. It works for me.

 

[InJustice]

I simply gave an example of what BvS should do in order to minimize the hate. Marvel has a formula, wich works quite well, and BvS should do something similar. That way, even if the the plot is weak, people will be distracted by funny and good looking heroes talking about what they had for breakfast. It is, indeed, a formula. And it works. So, why not?

No, it doesn't work. IM3 and T:TDW are clear examples of movies where humour didn't distract people from recognizing where the plot fell short. In other words, Marvel's formula doesn't always win. In fact, I think the whole humour distracts from plot shortcomings is a huge misconception.

 

[Psycho_Sith]

...it's the off-time and awkward humor that really kill it for me.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

IM3 had weird tone changes and some ill timed humour. TDW had very ill timed humour. But yeah humour can't distract audiences from the shortcomings of a film if it isn't done right.

 

[MrsKent26]

I find that humor is often "done wrong" in movies that aren't pure comedies. I find that it often takes me out of the experience because it's not done in ways that flow nicely in the dialogue. In real life, people use humor differently depending on the situation...nervous humor, playful humor, etc. It various person to person as well. I am curious to see if more is humor is added to BvsS and how it comes across. I'm hoping we get more natural dialogue this time; natural meaning that it sounds like something people would actually say. I've always thought Superman should have a bit of a dry wit that pokes out now and then.

 

[Space Ghost]

IM3 had weird tone changes and some ill timed humour. TDW had very ill timed humour. But yeah humour can't distract audiences from the shortcomings of a film if it isn't done right.

Yes, it actually can. I know people who watch IM movies because "RDJ is funny". I don´t think they care that much about the plot or Iron Man´s story.

All Marvel movies try to blend humor with critical situations. That´s their formula. I´m not saying it´s bad or that i don´t like it. But that´s their formula. And that´s a formula that makes these movies more accessible for people who don´t care that much about super heroes. They have humor, good looking people and sexual tension. That´s more than enough.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Yes, it actually can. I know people who watch IM movies because "RDJ is funny". I don´t think they care that much about the plot or Iron Man´s story.

All Marvel movies try to blend humor with critical situations. That´s their formula. I´m not saying it´s bad or that i don´t like it. But that´s their formula. And that´s a formula that makes these movies more accessible for people who don´t care that much about super heroes. They have humor, good looking people and sexual tension. That´s more than enough.

Not really because IM3 wasn't THAT well received by the GA - it was well received but not as well received as IM1 (which I think balanced the humour very well).

 

[Space Ghost]

Not really because IM3 wasn't THAT well received by the GA - it was well received but not as well received as IM1 (which I think balanced the humour very well).

Yeah. Imagine if it didn´t have the typical Marvel humor.

 

[SofNascimento]

What happened that this thread is so busy?

 

[Hammer!]

What happened that this thread is so busy?

Space Ghost and redundant opinions of studio superiority.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Sometimes I envy the "uninitiated' general moviegoer who knows nothing about the changes many of us see as monumental when the GA miss them all.

See this comment is a little funny to me now. Out of my friends, I'm the only one who reads comics, but whenever the films are nearly coming out, I'm obviously far more excited than they are.

Now, because of my excitement, my friends get a little more excited about it too. So when they asked me what the CA2 stinger meant, and then they asked who they were they were excited to hear that "X-Men and Avengers were crossing over".

Then when I explained the film rights issues they thought it would be "******** that Marvel would change their backstories". AND THEN when I explained they were Avengers FIRST and were changed to be X-Men, they realised how much of a mess comic book characters are in general.

But the attachment they formed from just passing remarks from me and then them figuring out every film is like that for me was funny.

 

[InJustice]

IM3 had weird tone changes and some ill timed humour. TDW had very ill timed humour. But yeah humour can't distract audiences from the shortcomings of a film if it isn't done right.

Thank God Captain America 2's comedic timing was far superior to IM3 and TTDW. I get that Marvel relies on humour to lighten things up, but they should strive for that balance of serious and comedy in CA:TWS.

 

[DA_Champion]

Origin stories are perfectly legitimate stories and are just as valid as any other kind of story.

 

[roach]

Thank God Captain America 2's comedic timing was far superior to IM3 and TTDW. I get that Marvel relies on humour to lighten things up, but they should strive for that balance of serious and comedy in CA:TWS.

I don't think it was the comedic timing. I think that Cap 2 was standard 'action movie' humor. Nothing was in the movie just for laughs.

 

[kvz5]

From the latest press release:

written by Chris Terrio, from a screenplay by David S. Goyer

 

[slumcat]

"written by Chris Terrio, from a screenplay by David S. Goyer"

What does this mean????

Have never heard of such a credit before.

Are the basically saying Terio readapted Goyer's script to a new screenplay?

 

[jonathancrane]

wut

 

[The Endless]

I think it should be "Written by Terrio from a story by Goyer".

 

[childeroland]

He probably wrote a new script adapted from Goyer's initial screenplay, as opposed to just a story treatment.

 

[DorneyDave]

"written by Chris Terrio, from a screenplay by David S. Goyer"

What does this mean????

Have never heard of such a credit before.

Are the basically saying Terio readapted Goyer's script to a new screenplay?

Probably means exactly what it sounds like.

He re-wrote Goyer's script.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

Probably means exactly what it sounds like.

He re-wrote Goyer's script.

I'm hoping the rewrites are for dialogue and improving characterization.

As far as the actual plot goes, I'm sure Goyer may have made it awesome.

 

[roach]

"written by Chris Terrio, from a screenplay by David S. Goyer"

What does this mean????

Have never heard of such a credit before.

Are the basically saying Terio readapted Goyer's script to a new screenplay?

That credit happens a lot. It means Goyer wrote the screenplay and that Terrio is polishing that script.