DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 10

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  1. TheCorpulent1

    TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    I'm buying a lot less DC. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that a lot. I'm also less enthusiastic about the line overall because, even when the series are fairly good, the characters usually feel like weird pod people wearing my favorite characters' faces. I understand Kurosawa far better than I ever wanted to now. :csad:
     
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  2. Wesley Dodds

    Wesley Dodds He Who Lurks...

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    My sentiments exactly.
     
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  3. hippie_hunter

    hippie_hunter The King is Back!

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    To be fair, Marvel isn't the mishmash of different comic book companies nor did it perform continuity crazy stories like DC. Marvel just didn't need a reboot and thankfully, they had the common sense to not do that.

    Frankly, I think DC is better off overall with a reboot.

    But Marvel continuity was never a mess to begin with. They've been pretty damn consistent overall.

    The best thing about Marvel NOW! is that their major titles (Hulk, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man) feel fresh and exciting now as opposed to before Marvel now where everything was feeling incredibly stale.
     
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  4. CConn

    CConn Fountainhead of culture.

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    What would be some examples of weird pod people?
     
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  5. CConn

    CConn Fountainhead of culture.

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    If you're a proper writer, it doesn't matter how ****ed continuity is, you can make a fresh and invigorating story that's still accessible to new readers.
     
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  6. hippie_hunter

    hippie_hunter The King is Back!

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    A great writer can do that, but you're still going to have ignorant readers who will still be put off by massive amounts of confusing continuity.
     
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  7. TheCorpulent1

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    Aquaman, for one. Wonder Woman as well. Superman's borderline, but enough of what I love about him remains for me to be cool with it. Guy Gardner's killing people now with no qualms after Tomasi gave us a very important arc about him and Kyle refusing to kill after the Guardians unlocked the rings' ability to do so. Stuff like that.
     
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  8. chamber-music

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    Batman & Robin, Justice League Dark, Swamp Thing and Animal Man are the only DC Comics I read now.
     
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  9. hippie_hunter

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    Aquaman is awesome and feels much in line with how he was in Brightest Day, Superman is more along the lines of who he was when he first came out, and I'm pretty sure that before the current GL comics, Guy has always been willing to kill, he's not a straight up murderer, but I think he's the one GL that was willing to do it as a last resort.
     
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  10. Saint

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    I think Marvel is just more sneaky about it, really. They adjust continuity on the fly (see: Noh-Varr, now a teenager again?) and just let it be forgotten when appropriate. For example: Grey Goblin. Awful retcon that has was promptly ignored and never spoken of again. Problem solved.

    DC's solution? Oh, we've changed our minds about whether Joe Chill killed the Waynes again--let's line that up for the next reboot. Haha.


    Yep. It was definitely time to end the runs of several of those creators--though some things could have been executed better. For example, there was absolutely no reason for Brubaker's run to continue into the post-Reborn relaunch of Captain America. Brubaker was incredible on Cap, but Reborn was the clear endpoint of his run. He should have transitioned onto Winter Soldier and someone else could have done some filler arcs until Marvel Now. Instead, Brubaker dialed in a couple of relatively tame and unimportant arcs in the Cap relaunch, only for the book to be relaunched again afterwords.
     
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  11. hippie_hunter

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    Several? I would say all of Marvel's major books with the exception of Amazing Spider-Man, were feeling horribly stale.
     
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  12. CConn

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    Yes, and what makes Marvel Now so good is that Marvel put all those great writers on their too books and have let them do their thing. Marvel Now's major titles feature names like Aaron and Waid and Hickman and Slott, etc.

    With DC, you have Snyder and Lobdell and Milligan and artists who've never even written before.

    C
     
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  13. Llama_Shepherd

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    Erm.... Grant Morrison?
     
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  14. Keyser Soze

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    Don't forget Jeff Lemire, who's so good I'm even going to be buying a freaking Green Arrow book because his name's on it.
     
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    And that Geoff Johns guy. I hear he's written an issue or two.
     
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  16. RoughNTumble

    RoughNTumble i m not desperate

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  17. TheCorpulent1

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    Aquaman feels grossly immature compared to how he was in the vastly superior Sub Diego era, although my reasons for dropping his comic are more to do with Johns' extreme decompression, terrible jokes, and cartoonish angst in every arc. Superman fighting for the little guy is nothing new, but Morrison kind of made him a *****e toward the beginning of Action Comics. A chest-puffing alpha male who's ruled by emotion and never thinks anything through, basically. As for Guy, whichever interpretation you decide to go with, he's an irritating hypocrite now.
     
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  18. hippie_hunter

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    Sub Diego was indeed awesome, but the fact that it's hard to top the awesomeness of Sub Diego shouldn't be a detraction. Really, the only character that feels any bit radically different is Wonder Woman.
     
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  19. redhawk23

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    Snyder is awesome and has been writing on a number of series, including his own, for quite some time. I don't know where you're going with that.
     
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  20. CConn

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    Both of Grant's runs are winding down. He hardly dictates the direction of the universe anymore. Hell, he doesn't even dictate the direction of the Superman books. Lobdell does that now.
     
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  21. CConn

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    And what books does Lemire write? Nothing but second and third stringers. A writer of hid caliber sshould be on one of the big titles.
     
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  22. CConn

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    I didn't list either Bendis or John's intentionally. Both are very divisive. And for good reason.
     
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  23. CConn

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    I agree.

    And let's face it, DC started trying to drastically change WW even before the New52 happened.
     
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  24. CConn

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    Snyder's Batman is awful, and his Swamp Thing is rather mediocre as well.
     
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  25. CConn

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    And what books does Lemire write? Nothing but second and third stringers. A writer of hid caliber sshould be on one of the big titles.
     
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