DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 2

[Saint]

Is anyone here a Justice Society fan? I figure people JSA readers have got to be feeling burned; with Superman apparently returning to his position as the world's first superhero, it sounds like Jay, Alan, and the old-school society are out.

That sucks pretty hard. I think Superman probably should be the first superhero; I just wish it didn't have to come at the expense of the golden age heroe's place in the timeline.

Another interesting note is that this probably places Batman as the new timeline's second superhero, which is cool. Re-establishing Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman as the forerunners of the superhero community is pretty sweet--but the (apparent) absence of the golden age heroes and their legacy sucks some of the history and life out of the DCU, in my opinion.

 

[WolfCypher]

Not a JSA fan per se, but I did like Wildcat.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Just wait till Earth 2 pops up.

 

[SuperFerret]

Superman had better be an old dude then. The superhero WWII vet archetype is one of the best, and the DCU seems worse off without them.

 

[SuperFerret]

I think I know what he is going for with that, it's a punk rock thing.

See, punk performers wanted to break down the invisible barrier between audience and performer, where before the audience would look upon the artist as some kind of demi-god, like Hendrix, Morrison, etc, the punks wanted to make it look as if anyone could get up on stage, and in turn, they could step off stage and blend into the audience.

So, Superman could be doing something like that in his early days, wanting to appear as one of the people, dressing modestly, instead of showing up on day one in a bright shining suit that looks like it was stitched up on another planet. He wants to show people that although he has powers, underneath that, he is just like them.

and then when he has ingrained himself in the culture, and earned the trust of the people, he whips out the skintight future fashion, and people appreciate the fact he has now become a symbol, and needs the appropriate uniform to go with that notion.

Because, I guess you could think, him showing up day one in that kind of uniform would be assuming he was already a symbol, whereas his actions have to earn that staus, same as being a recognised as a protector of the people, he has to earn his uniform, so he can wear that proudly in public, without seeming pretentious.

Superman (and by extension, all superheroes) should want to draw attention to themselves in order to protect people. The "I'm like you" factor is nice,, but people will appreciate the brightly colored center of attention when all the gunfire goes towards the guy who's bulletproof, instead of all the people who he could blend in with.

Something that too many of the irony-obsessed seem to miss is that the ridiculousness of a superheroes costume can easily be intentional in universe and zero changes need to be made to the design itself.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Superman (and by extension, all superheroes) should want to draw attention to themselves in order to protect people. The "I'm like you" factor is nice,, but people will appreciate the brightly colored center of attention when all the gunfire goes towards the guy who's bulletproof, instead of all the people who he could blend in with.

Something that too many of the irony-obsessed seem to miss is that the ridiculousness of a superheroes costume can easily be intentional in universe and zero changes need to be made to the design itself.

They have found a mid-way point between the brightly coloured superhero costume, and everyday clothing, so his presence would still have that impact, as well as conveying the message of relatability I was talking about.

edit: There is no way he would not be the center of attention in that outfit, even if he just walked into a scene having not used his powers yet.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Let me be of help. JPR immediately set off a lightbulb in my head because he's a member here (or was). Thankfully I remembered I'm subscribed to his DA page. Lo and behold, the Superman image is there right in his gallery.

http://jprart.deviantart.com/art/DCnU-Superman-212825407

So there you go. Case closed. It's fan-art.

Who is that guy though? I mean, even Nguyen has a deviantart page, so this might be some DC artist.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I like how Jim Lee responded to me on twitter. I asked him why everybody gotten a 90's design. He told me explain what 80's,90's, 00's style is. I told him look at Teen Titans 1. That describe the 90's in a nut shell. All we needed was a really big gun.

No mercy!!!

Is anyone here a Justice Society fan? I figure people JSA readers have got to be feeling burned; with Superman apparently returning to his position as the world's first superhero, it sounds like Jay, Alan, and the old-school society are out.

That sucks pretty hard. I think Superman probably should be the first superhero; I just wish it didn't have to come at the expense of the golden age heroe's place in the timeline.

Another interesting note is that this probably places Batman as the new timeline's second superhero, which is cool. Re-establishing Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman as the forerunners of the superhero community is pretty sweet--but the (apparent) absence of the golden age heroes and their legacy sucks some of the history and life out of the DCU, in my opinion.

I think JSA will appear down the road somehow. Right now they re just pushing Superman any way that they can.

 

[Drz]

Let me be of help. JPR immediately set off a lightbulb in my head because he's a member here (or was). Thankfully I remembered I'm subscribed to his DA page. Lo and behold, the Superman image is there right in his gallery.

http://jprart.deviantart.com/art/DCnU-Superman-212825407

So there you go. Case closed. It's fan-art.

Thank you Krim, good to know it's just fan art and not a variant cover or anything. Was pretty suspicious when there was no Yahoo news article as someone claimed.

 

[Mystirious]

Is anyone here a Justice Society fan? I figure people JSA readers have got to be feeling burned; with Superman apparently returning to his position as the world's first superhero, it sounds like Jay, Alan, and the old-school society are out.

That sucks pretty hard. I think Superman probably should be the first superhero; I just wish it didn't have to come at the expense of the golden age heroe's place in the timeline.

Another interesting note is that this probably places Batman as the new timeline's second superhero, which is cool. Re-establishing Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman as the forerunners of the superhero community is pretty sweet--but the (apparent) absence of the golden age heroes and their legacy sucks some of the history and life out of the DCU, in my opinion.

Yeah I think it will be a shame if the JSA are erased from the DCU after flashpoint

As there is going to be a Mr Terrific comic book i think the characters will still be around hopefully

 

[The Morningstar]

In other words, if it looked like the old suit?

No I like the collar. And the underwear was only ever used to break up the blue, now they are using a belt type thing. Does exactly the same job, but doesn't look as archaic.

But the armour-y look is just dumb. Why the hell does Superman, of all characters, need armour?

 

[Dreadstar]

I am going to call it. These so called new readers will not provide long term growth. Why?
Because they have no personal connection to the characters. NOthing invested. They will leave within 2 years because following these stories will require effort, something they are lacking.

Proof? They are the ones crying that these stories/characters are inaccessible due to high numbering of current books and decades of continuity. Thats a cop out. There are more trades/omnibuses/etc out now that at any previous period in the medium. Plus the internet provides an excellent research tool. It comes down to laziness.

Further proof would be the inability and laziness of some posters to read long posts. They have appreviations for this. tl, dr

gimme a freaking break. They textin/instant gratification/self absorbed teens/20 somethings have no patience and are in for a world of hurt in the real world. I know, I have friends as managers in the business world, account managers, controllers, HR people etc... they keep telling me how the 20 somethings must be reprimanded/fired because of all these book facing/texting/twiiter at work! And these are 20 somethings with post secondary training!

 

[Mee]

Honestly, if they are going to take away Batman's trunks, just make his suit all-black.

Or make the belt black. The yellow belt makes sense with oval, but I've never understood why it stays yellow with the solid bat.

 

[DaveMoral]

Link please?

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/usmovi...getting-new-costume-action-comics-relaunch?nc

 

[HighFivingMF]

Or make the belt black. The yellow belt makes sense with oval, but I've never understood why it stays yellow with the solid bat.

You try finding another belt with that many compartments.

 

[DaveMoral]

Thank you Krim, good to know it's just fan art and not a variant cover or anything. Was pretty suspicious when there was no Yahoo news article as someone claimed.

Check my latest post dude. My life doesn't revolve around these boards, so I couldn't get a response to you timely enough apparently.

Or, you know, you could go to www.yahoo.com and check it yourself.

 

[Drz]

Check my latest post dude. My life doesn't revolve around these boards, so I couldn't get a response to you timely enough apparently.

Are you offended or something? Besides the article doesn't have that fanart either as we've already learned that it was a Deviantart artist who made a drawing of the new Superman design, case closet.

 

[KRIM]

Who is that guy though? I mean, even Nguyen has a deviantart page, so this might be some DC artist.

Thank you Krim, good to know it's just fan art and not a variant cover or anything. Was pretty suspicious when there was no Yahoo news article as someone claimed.

First I'd like to make a slight correction: he's not a member here. I got mixed up with another three-lettered poster/artist that started with a J. Second, he's a fairly prominent digital artist on DA. As far as I know, he's not professional in the sense that he's doing official work for either DC or Marvel. That Superman piece is most definitely just a fan piece, however. The design is based on the official artworks we have.

I am going to call it. These so called new readers will not provide long term growth. Why?
Because they have no personal connection to the characters. NOthing invested. They will leave within 2 years because following these stories will require effort, something they are lacking.

Proof? They are the ones crying that these stories/characters are inaccessible due to high numbering of current books and decades of continuity. Thats a cop out. There are more trades/omnibuses/etc out now that at any previous period in the medium. Plus the internet provides an excellent research tool. It comes down to laziness.

The trades don't help much. It's still a huge pain to keep up with the major arcs and histories. Much less all of them. DC has a shot to streamline the entire universe. Resetting the number system deals a lot with the problems in figuring out which issues are important. I can't speak for Marvel's Ultimateverse now, but within their first few years they handled the various titles pretty damn well. It was relatively easy to jump into a new story arc.

What it means in the long run remains to be seen. A bogged down. complex history, that weaves in and out of a chronological timeline, is the bane of comic book reading, but a lot of that has to do with time. Right now it's easy. They can get away with handling stories in the past and present. It's not much to juggle with a reboot. Ten years down the line however, they'll run into the same issues if they keep that up. Hopefully they don't make the same mistakes.

 

[Keyser Soze]

While I don't necessarily agree with all that this relaunch entails, I appreciate that DC are attempting to achieve what Geoff Johns did with Green Lantern: Rebirth - taking a complex, convoluted history, and streamlining it into something simple and accessible, relaunching with the understanding that all that happened happened, but this can be very much seen as "the beginning" for any new readers wanting to feel like they're getting a whole story - under the much larger scope of the DCU as a whole.

But like KRIM said, how it works long term is up in the air. Starting over with number #1 is a band-aid. Before long this relaunched universe will be bogged down with its own continuity and hefty issue numbers that scare away potential new readers.

 

[DaveMoral]

Are you offended or something? Besides the article doesn't have that fanart either as we've already learned that it was a Deviantart artist who made a drawing of the new Superman design, case closet.

Either way, it's exactly like the suit in the Yahoo link. Over designed crap.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm utterly indifferent to the whole thing and here's why:

I've been cutting back so much on DC titles, this reboot craziness seems like a perfect time for me to drop everything. I'm down to Birds of Prey, Green Lantern and Secret Six, and soon they'll all reboot. I might drop Marvel as well after 'Fear Itself' wraps up. It could be a nice chance for me to focus on older stories for a while.

While there is a lot of crap in the new reboot such as the Scott Lobdell titles, O.M.A.C., and I, Vampire, but there is also a lot of good. Green Lantern isn't rebooting, it's just getting relaunched with a new #1. It has the same creative team and will be continuing with the same direction it has been in since 2004. The new #1 really isn't changing anything with the Green Lantern books.

Also, I think anyone is insane if they're passing on Grant Morrison on Action Comics, Geoff Johns on Aquaman, Scott Snyder on Batman, and others.

 

[kguillou]

I'm not at all a fan of that superman suit, i'm all in favor of updating supes' design a little bit and getting rid of the underwear but this one is not very good. It looks too, i dunno, robotic. I thought Shane Davis' Earth One design was a good, subtle way of updating the suit.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Also, I think anyone is insane if they're passing on Grant Morrison on Action Comics, Geoff Johns on Aquaman, Scott Snyder on Batman, and others.

I'm really excited about these books.

I think WW will also be a good book. They have shown that they want her to get back on her feet and they ve really been trying. This has to be good. In Azzy i trust.

 

[Mystirious]

I'm really excited about these books.

I think WW will also be a good book. They have shown that they want her to get back on her feet and they ve really been trying. This has to be good. In Azzy i trust.

Wonder Woman by Azzarello sounds sort of interesting so I will definitely be checking that out

Not sure if he is the best choice to write a character like Wonder Woman though

 

[X Knight]

sooo.........have any of the writers commented on Raven showing up in the relaunch?

also, I'm confused on the continuity. Are some characters keeping their continuity while others get rebooted??