I do have to agree. As I have said before DC should have started the reboot back at square one and pick and chose from there. In the movies and cartoon we will always see Dick as Robin not Tim so why not just go back to where it started in the comics and build up from there. For the Teen Titans if they want Bart instead of Wally, Cassie instead of Donna Troy then fine but don't try and cram 25+ years worth of stuff into a five year period. Part of it came because both Johns and Morrison didn't want their work undone but I say they should have just started over with Hal getting the ring for the first time. Batman go a year with out Robin then adding Dick Grayson into the mix and reintroducing Batman and Robin then. There was a better way to do the reboot.
DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 5
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I do love how the naysayers despised DC at the possibility of rebooting, until it turned out they weren't really rebooting, now all of a sudden it's a reboot that was crucially needed and keeping things as they were is an unacceptable failure. The grass is always greener and all that.
To me, it seems that much of the people who are proclaiming this a massive failure and cutting all ties with DC, yada yada, are the ones who were pretty much determined to hate it in the first place. As far as the people actually reading are concerned, the response amongst the vast majority seems to have been positive. Those excited about the relaunch largely remain so, while I've even seen many of the skeptics won over.
Are there problems? Sure. There are continuity headaches it's probably best not to think about. But really, after all the hype of the relaunch, things will be as they've always been: some comics will be great, some will suck, and there'll be stuff that doesn't make sense. And from there, you have a choice to let continuity in a fictional universe poison your enjoyment for everything, or to simply focus on the stuff you like and not bother with the stuff you don't.
I think Paul Cornell said it best in a recent interview:
"The idea that one reads comics as a sort of news report from a parallel world, where the only interest to be found is in how much a story has to do with 'big developments' is, I think, gone with the old universe. We're just out to tell a good story."
If you're reading the New 52 to get immediate answers on how everything fits into a neatly categorised continuity and chronology, you'll likely be sorely disappointed. There are a lot of people who seem to require from comics a soothing sense of sameness and everything returning to their ideal status quo from their particular era of choice in order to appease whatever OCD tendencies they may nurture. But for me, the most important thing is that, for the first issues at least, DC has produced a high ratio of GOOD COMICS. Strong writing, quality artwork, with characters I'm interested in.
All I ask of DC is to be entertained. They don't owe me anything, other than the entertainment I get in exchange for a comic I purchase. And if a comic ceases to entertain me, I simply cease to buy it. If all comics cease to entertain me, I'll cease to buy them. If you don't like, don't read. That's not an attack, it's a simple statement. No ones forcing you to buy comics you hate month in and month out for years on end. It's not Marvel and DC's fault if you're a sucker.
To me, it seems that much of the people who are proclaiming this a massive failure and cutting all ties with DC, yada yada, are the ones who were pretty much determined to hate it in the first place. As far as the people actually reading are concerned, the response amongst the vast majority seems to have been positive. Those excited about the relaunch largely remain so, while I've even seen many of the skeptics won over.
Are there problems? Sure. There are continuity headaches it's probably best not to think about. But really, after all the hype of the relaunch, things will be as they've always been: some comics will be great, some will suck, and there'll be stuff that doesn't make sense. And from there, you have a choice to let continuity in a fictional universe poison your enjoyment for everything, or to simply focus on the stuff you like and not bother with the stuff you don't.
I think Paul Cornell said it best in a recent interview:
"The idea that one reads comics as a sort of news report from a parallel world, where the only interest to be found is in how much a story has to do with 'big developments' is, I think, gone with the old universe. We're just out to tell a good story."
If you're reading the New 52 to get immediate answers on how everything fits into a neatly categorised continuity and chronology, you'll likely be sorely disappointed. There are a lot of people who seem to require from comics a soothing sense of sameness and everything returning to their ideal status quo from their particular era of choice in order to appease whatever OCD tendencies they may nurture. But for me, the most important thing is that, for the first issues at least, DC has produced a high ratio of GOOD COMICS. Strong writing, quality artwork, with characters I'm interested in.
All I ask of DC is to be entertained. They don't owe me anything, other than the entertainment I get in exchange for a comic I purchase. And if a comic ceases to entertain me, I simply cease to buy it. If all comics cease to entertain me, I'll cease to buy them. If you don't like, don't read. That's not an attack, it's a simple statement. No ones forcing you to buy comics you hate month in and month out for years on end. It's not Marvel and DC's fault if you're a sucker.
I just think DC should have done a line wide reboot. Now while this reboot doesn't effect me since like how it may others since I am mainly just picking up the Superman Family. I can see how and why others would be bothered or confused. I will stand by my opinion and say they should have done a line wide reboot but for the comics I am picking up it really doesn't effect me to much since Morrison said the Superman titles will be jumping back and forward to do some catch up and all and explain things that needed to be explained. And we are getting the origin of Superboy and Supergirl as well as the TT and JL so I am good. But Batman and GL should have been rebooted as well.
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I can see the reasoning behind a linewide reboot being a valid choice, but ultimately I think it would be redundant. I don't really want to see Batman's early years again. Batman: Year One, The Long Halloween, etc, are classic books that say it all pretty well, and I don't think anyone needs to go over all that again. As it is, with Superman I feel like I'm sick of seeing reimaginings of his origins: this latest one just about gets away with it because it's Grant Morrison writing it.
I see your point about how those books are classics but IMO if you're going to do a reboot then do a line wide one or don't do it at all. I do not care if Johns loved his GL stories so much that he was unwilling to give them up. Fans loved Superman's history and we didn't get a say on that. Batman should have been the same. As I have said before the only reason why I am not so mad about Superman is because we all know Superman and Lois will end up together in the end and they are showing how some of the stuff ties into together. Although I would have preferred that they just have let the Earth One origin be the start for this new Superman and do a monthly title off of that.
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That isn't the reason the continuities for Batman and GL were left untouched. They stayed the way they have been because they were selling really well and DC didn't want people to stop buying them, which they would have done. Plus, Morrison's Batman story wasn't finished. Superman wasn't selling like it should so it got a reboot.
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I think with Superman is pretty different from Batman. Batman has the one origin story that's pretty much universally acclaimed as one of the all-time great comics and has been recognised as canon for decades. With Superman, you've had a constant stream of new origin stories, each one supposedly retconning the previous one out of existence, and as a result his history is hazier, less concrete, and more susceptible to further tinkering, in a kind of vicious circle.
Believe that if you want but Superman was selling well when they did the first reboot but GL and Batman still got to keep their history then as well while it was once again Superman who got the reboot. If they were such good books then the fans would have faith in this reboot and come back to it regardless. Superman's attitude could have been changed in the comics without doing the reboot and the suit could have been changed as well by him saying since New Krypton he wanted to honor his people. The only reason why Action and Superman numbers will be high up is because it has #1 on it and people will think those comics will be worth as much as the old Action Comics/Superman #1
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Personally, I still don't think the reboot was warranted at all. The fact that it's turning out to be mostly okay doesn't change that.
Agreed I just thought if you changed the writers on some books things would have been fine.
And Wonder Woman.
However I think that hooded woman might be their way out of things if this doesn't work where they can fight her to go back and fix time.They need to do another history of DCnU back-up.
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I think they're specifically trying to avoid that this time around. They made the effort with the New Earth reboot and just wound up confusing people further. So this time I think they'll probably just let creators reveal bits and pieces of their characters' pasts as they go rather than attempting another one-stop story to encompass the entire history of the new universe.
I just saying having as a back-up in the books will be good. And they don't even have to stop the story arcs. Although they didn't need a reboot just better writers who understood the heroes or if they had to do a reboot it should have been a full on reboot. But since we are here a back up telling the history of the DCnU would help expect for Superman since his is being worked out right in front of us. I would work more for Batman and GL really.
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The problem with New Earth was that they set down a definitive history, then the writers ignored it and made up whatever they wanted.
What they should have done was have editors f**king edit.
Agreed it was dumb to see Supergirl get three different origins in a short amount of time.
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Bah! I know i'm beating a dead horse here, but Wonder Woman gets a soft reboot every time she gets a new writer because practically nobody who writes her comic has ever read it before. The only difference this time is that she has a new costume.
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Not really...for me, its more like I didnt really give a **** when it was announced, and i dont really give a **** now. Like I said, this is a band aid on a bullet wound. Reboot or no, comics were/are in serious trouble, and reboot or not, I still plan on bouncing when Morrison leaves Batman.
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What would help people get over the reboot is if DC would release a published version of their so-called "timeline" that they keep on claiming that they have on file. As for me? I've been enjoying the reboot so far.
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