DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 6

[HighFivingMF]

Fraction!

 

[CConn]

I personally have been buying less Marvel. They've been annoying me greatly with their $3.99 price point, Fear Itself being outright horrible, and their upcoming stories not being as exciting as they used to be.

The other thing that hurts my interest in Marvel...their universe just doesn't feel as...intertwined as DC's. I mean, obviously, Bendis ties all of his stuff, and all of his characters together...but outside of that, it just feels like a bunch of creators trying to write "shocking" stories to sell books. While Hickman's shaking things up in FF, Slott is doing another big Spider-Man event, while X-Men is reforming for the 80th time, etc.

If they could recapture that sense of a highly shared continuity, and mutual tonal style that Lee and Kirby created in the 60s...I'd enjoy the books a lot more.

Not that DC does that perfectly themselves...but it seems like their books compliment each other better on the whole.

But then there are those who are huge fans of both who love Marvel for doing that. Though, it would make more sense to have a book similar to "DC Comics Presents" for that. Though IMO DC really ****ed up that by making the first Deadman **** 5 ****ing arcs.

...I have no clue what you just said...

Yeah, that guy runs roughshod over everyone else's work. I'm worried about when Vision 2.0 joins the Avengers soon. He's a completely different character from the original Vision, but Bendis is one of those people who writes them as if they're the same person. Which basically means Vision 2.0 being a different person is going to be retconned away, since Bendis basically controls the whole Marvel universe.

The only person on the "Braintrust" I actually trust at all is Jason Aaron.

Yet, ironically, he can write an incredible Vertigo series, iconic Punisher stories...yet he tries to write an X-Men mini and fails horribly. It's like mainstream Marvel is cursed.

 

[HighFivingMF]

The shared universe is what hurts my interest in Marvel. That and the only characters I'm really interested in are Captain America, Daredevil, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk. Cap's in a great place now, I'm liking Daredevil good enough, I'm not a fan of the guy writing Iron Man and Thor, and I don't like that there are 57 Hulks. I think it's cool seeing the characters go together and the cool little touches but I hate reading the first issue of a good solo story, getting to the end and seeing "Next issue: Mr. Fantastic stops by!"

I like characters stopping in now and then. And if I dislike a crossover event, it's not because of all the characters in one story. I think that's pretty cool. But I like some stories of the characters mingling with their own supporting company and whatnot.

 

[CConn]

The shared universe is what hurts my interest in Marvel. That and the only characters I'm really interested in are Captain America, Daredevil, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk. Cap's in a great place now, I'm liking Daredevil good enough, I'm not a fan of the guy writing Iron Man and Thor, and I don't like that there are 57 Hulks. I think it's cool seeing the characters go together and the cool little touches but I hate reading the first issue of a good solo story, getting to the end and seeing "Next issue: Mr. Fantastic stops by!"

I like characters stopping in now and then. And if I dislike a crossover event, it's not because of all the characters in one story. I think that's pretty cool. But I like some stories of the characters mingling with their own supporting company and whatnot.

Um, it seems like you more have a problem with the writing itself than the concept of a shared universe.

Because, honestly, if you did have a major problem with shared universes, you'd hate DC. Ever since Didio took over, everything has been pretty heavily integrated.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Um, it seems like you more have a problem with the writing itself than the concept of a shared universe.

Alright, let me reword: The way Marvel goes about it's shared universe that turns me off.

 

[CConn]

Yep. I agree. It all just seems like a plea for money, rather than any great creative exercise.

 

[Kurosawa]

Between Bendis and Wolverine, I just can't handle Marvel. I was reading Cap but they killed Bucky in the last stupid crossover and I took that as 4 bucks saved.

 

[Sloth7d]

When they felt had to reduce the mutant population to that of an endangered species, I knew a shared universe in Marvel just wouldn't click with me. That and The Avengers books don't really make the Marvel Universe feel connected in the same way The JLA books do for DC; I can't put my finger on why that is though. Perhaps the characters in DC just work off each other better.

 

[Anubis]

Nope, it's the same problem that DC has. Lack of strong editorial.


If the Mutant population gets decimated, then that s**t should have reverberations throughout the entire Marvel Earth. (And entire universe when you factor in some other stuff.) One line I loved from one of those civil war X-men tie ins was when Iron Man went to the X-Men to gain their support, and Emma Frost asked him, where were you while our babies were dying in Genosha? And I thought, that's right. Where were they when some Super Sentinels killed 6 million people? I think they were fighting Scorpio.

At the same time, DC does the same thing. While all that Lantern boos**T was going on, what were the "JLA" doing? Crying for Justice? Yeah, they're both f**ked. Don't even try to make one out to be worse than the other.

 

[Sloth7d]

You misunderstand. My problem lies with the decision at Marvel to kill the mutant population because they didn't want mutants running all over the MU. They wanted to keep mutants contained in X-Men comics despite wanting a shared universe, and this was their solution.

I know there are instances where in, "superheroes who should respond to a major threat don't because it isn't their story" occurs in both companies. That wasn't what I was talking about though. When I said, "I guess the characters work better off each other", I didn't mean that.

 

[Mystirious]

Definitely reading less Marvel at the moment

I loved the Young Avengers mini series and I've been loving X Factor and enjoying Rucka's Punisher but other than one or two other series I've not been buying much Marvel

I might check out the new Alpha Flight series though

Fraction!

He killed Bucky

Yeah, it almost looks good. Definitely a weird situation for Huntress.

Huntress's belly window be getting no love

I do want to read the Valkyrie bad girl series.

A Valkyrie series does sound pretty neat when does it come out

 

[Mystirious]

Yeah, that guy runs roughshod over everyone else's work. I'm worried about when Vision 2.0 joins the Avengers soon. He's a completely different character from the original Vision, but Bendis is one of those people who writes them as if they're the same person. Which basically means Vision 2.0 being a different person is going to be retconned away, since Bendis basically controls the whole Marvel universe.

Bendis should just not be allowed to write superheroes

...

He made Squirrel Girl all serious and angsty and gloomy

Squirrel Girl

He needs to stop writing superheroes.

 

[Motown Marvel]

looking at the good story elements that have come from this relaunch, pretty much all of it could have been accomplished without a relaunch. that frustrates me.

 

[Mystirious]

Agreed

Still at least most of the series since the relaunch have been pretty good so far

 

[hippie_hunter]

Aren't they even doing Fear Itself aftermath-like crap too?

Yeah, but I hate Fear Itself, so I'm totally skipping it.

 

[hippie_hunter]

At the same time, DC does the same thing. While all that Lantern boos**T was going on, what were the "JLA" doing? Crying for Justice? Yeah, they're both f**ked. Don't even try to make one out to be worse than the other.

Actually all the heroes gathered in New York City and Coast City during the Sinestro Corps War and Blackest Night. I think that counts as the JLA doing something.

 

[hippie_hunter]

DC dominated the sales charts by taking all spots in the top 5, eight spots in the top 10 and seventeen spots in the top 20.

1. Batman #1
2. Action Comics #1
3. Green Lantern #1
4. the Flash #1
5. Superman #1
6. Detective Comics #1
7. Batman: The Dark Knight #1
8. Fear Itself #6
9. Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man #1
10. Batman and Robin #1
11. Green Lantern: New Guardians #1
12. Batgirl #1
13. Wonder Woman #1
14. Green Lantern Corps #1
15. Teen Titans #1
16. Aquaman #1
17. Batwoman #1
18. Amazing Spider-Man #669
19. Red Lanterns #1
20. Justice League Dark

 

[Mystirious]

Yeah, but I hate Fear Itself, so I'm totally skipping it.

Fear Itself is just awful

I've been reading the Invincible Iron Man tie in. This nonsense has been going on for what feels like forever and all thats happened is Tony Stark is back on the booze

 

[Lord]

While they did some bad things with the reboot including not making it a 100 % reboot, it kind of cleans things and makes the comics more accecible, by the way, did anybody see that caped mysterious woman in this weeks reboot comics?
Or was that just for The 1st issues of the new 52?

 

[Mystirious]

I didnt spot her in this weeks new issues

Personally I'm glad they didnt do a 100% reboot I would have hated it if they erased everything that had happened in the DCU

 

[Lord]

But that just made it more confusing, i see why they didn't reboot classic stories like Batman Year one, killing Joke and the newest Green Lantern stuff.

But Green Lantern comics are some of the most confusing in terms of the past, the early pre paralax possessed Hal Jordan should have been completelly rebooted, it's this fear of making a complete reboot that made Post-Crisis very confusing too.

I understand a continuing narrative where an event leads to past things being discarded out of continuity, but when they put every title at 1 again, iincluding such classic ones like Action Comics and Detective Comics things should just restart, this just seems like a bigger scale of the retcon made after Infinite Crisis

 

[HighFivingMF]

DC dominated the sales charts by taking all spots in the top 5, eight spots in the top 10 and seventeen spots in the top 20.

1. Batman #1
2. Action Comics #1
3. Green Lantern #1
4. the Flash #1
5. Superman #1
6. Detective Comics #1
7. Batman: The Dark Knight #1
8. Fear Itself #6
9. Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man #1
10. Batman and Robin #1
11. Green Lantern: New Guardians #1
12. Batgirl #1
13. Wonder Woman #1
14. Green Lantern Corps #1
15. Teen Titans #1
16. Aquaman #1
17. Batwoman #1
18. Amazing Spider-Man #669
19. Red Lanterns #1
20. Justice League Dark

My four favorite heroes taking up the top 5.

 

[Saint]

I'm quite surprised that Batman topped Action Comics.

 

[Lord]

I'm quite surprised that Batman topped Action Comics.

It's not the spot it deserves it's the sport it needs

 

[Mystirious]

Ironically above Batman: The Dark Knight in the sales charts

My four favorite heroes taking up the top 5.

My favouritest comic book character of all time is in the top twenty

Very glad that Batwoman issue one sold so well