DC Relaunching Everything? - Part 8

[Kurosawa]

I can understand Liefeld's point about Shatterstar just in the context that I feel that characters should always be handled in a way that is consistent with their creators intentions. Roy Thomas did not intend Obsidian to be gay but was okay with it once it was done, but from a creative point of view (not a legal point of view, obviously), then Marvel making Shatterstar bisexual is something Leifeld has the right to complain about, although using any sort of derogatory language is going way too far. I have heard that Marvel did it to take a shot at him, which is bigoted in itself, although maybe he had said some homophobic things and that's why they did it.

Regardless, he sucks as a writer and an artist, Shatterstar sucks as a character, and apparently this jackass is getting Hawkman's book cancelled, even though it wasn't very good anyway. So yeah...**** Rob Liefeld.

 

[Lord]

I heard posters saying that Rob Liefeld was nice in person, but i think we shouldn't forget that he's not reliable as a collegue, Alan Moore himself said that, and let's also not forget why he was fired from Image, he was using the money earned by them all to fund his oun things.

 

[lixdexia]

If Dick Grayson exists, then so can Wally. The problem is that in the post-Flashpoint DCU, Barry Allen never died, so how can Wally be the Flash? Nor is Barry married to Iris, so why would Wally ever come to meet Barry?

they've acknowledged in the dcnu book that barry and iris used to be a thing, so they could have met in that time frame. i just wonder what identity wally would have, given that kid flash seems to be a new thing invented by bart here.

my honest hope is that he's the only guy who remembers how things used to be, maybe he has a way to go back to that continuity, because the whole guy with a dead family thing doesn't appeal to me for wally.

 

[SuperFerret]

If Liefeld was to draw for Batwoman I would lose all faith in the superhero comicbook genre.

Why? She's not special, and Rob's done the "artwork" for at least two much more important characters than her, and the genre has survived.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Because the book is one of the better ones on the shelf right now, probably.

 

[Anubis]

Liefeld sucks.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Liefeld sucks.

This isn't the Unpopular Comic Book Opinions thread, dude.

 

[Mystirious]

As an artist, I do not like his work, but with all this vitriol it sounds like he's hated personally. I've never met the guy, he could be a nice person. As far as his remarks on Shatterstar go; anytime someone comments on homosexuality, it seems that unless it's a comment embracing all aspects and representations, you get hammered as some kind of demonic human being.

I utterly despise anyone who isn't 100% pro lgbt

So I utterly despise Rob Liefield

The fact that he is an appalling artist and writer as well just makes it easier for me to hate him

 

[Mystirious]

Why? She's not special, and Rob's done the "artwork" for at least two much more important characters than her, and the genre has survived.

She's special to me 'Ferret

And her series is the only DC comic book i care about right now. Having a talentless dbag like Liefield on the art would be depressing

Liefeld sucks.

Indeed he does 'Nubsy

But one day if he wishes really hard and is good, the Blue Fairy will grant him the ability to be able to draw feet

Regardless, he sucks as a writer and an artist, Shatterstar sucks as a character

Shatterstar used to suck but I've liked him since Peter David started writing him and had him start dating Ricor

I honestly didnt care about him at all before that

I have heard that Marvel did it to take a shot at him, which is bigoted in itself, although maybe he had said some homophobic things and that's why they did it.

Peter David didn't have Shatterstar revealed to be bisexual to take a shot at Rob Liefield

He did later mock some of the ignorant and homophobic things Liefield said though

 

[Czar Colossus]

O.K. I'm curious.....what exactly did he say?

 

[lixdexia]

This isn't the Unpopular Comic Book Opinions thread, dude.

which is why he didn't give one???

Shatterstar used to suck but I've liked him since Peter David started writing him and had him start dating Ricor

I honestly didnt care about him at all before that

this statement makes me sad inside.

 

[Evil Twin]

I heard posters saying that Rob Liefeld was nice in person, but i think we shouldn't forget that he's not reliable as a collegue, Alan Moore himself said that, and let's also not forget why he was fired from Image, he was using the money earned by them all to fund his oun things.

Liefeld might not be reliable, but is there anyone Alan Moore does business with that Moore doesn't eventually have a falling out with?

 

[Mystirious]

It wasn't just one thing but the thing that made me the most and the one that Peter David made fun of him for saying is that Shatterstar couldn't possibly like men because he's a 'warrior'

Which isn't just offensive and ignorant its also really really dumb

His whole attitude toward the development was just horrible and its all the reason I need to hate the guy

 

[Mystirious]

Changing the subject to GOOD artists, I'm really going to miss the artist on Animal Man

I can understand why he's leaving the book but i dont think it'll be the same without him

this statement makes me sad inside.

He just seemed really dull, bland and without any real personality before X-factor to me

Not much fun to read

Since Peter David started writing him though he's been a lot more fun to read about I think

 

[SuperFerret]

Because the book is one of the better ones on the shelf right now, probably.

Book quality shifts constantly. To say that Liefeld on Batwoman is the one uncrossable line in the industry just sounds silly when the man has already worked on the X-Men and Captain America.

She's special to me 'Ferret

And her series is the only DC comic book i care about right now. Having a talentless dbag like Liefield on the art would be depressing

That's just because she's a lesbian character, and you're LGBT. I really can't respect or care about that over-emphasized one note opinion. I really wonder if you'd care at all about the character if she was envisioned as a straight woman from the get-go.

In the broad spectrum of things, in the industry, Batwoman is B-list at best, and while it's great that the quality of the book is high, it doesn't make her the line that must not be crossed.

 

[Mystirious]

I don't only like the character because she's a well written lesbian hero but yep that is the one of the main reasons and its why I care so much about her

There aren't nearly enough well written lgbt characters in comics so having one as well written and positively portrayed as Batwoman means a lot to me

On the rare occasion we get any lgbt characters in fiction they're too often written in a stereotypical or negative way

Having an openly lesbian character starring in her own series being written in a wonderful and positive way is hugely important to me as a lesbian comics fan

Kate is without a doubt my favourite character of all time and her series means more to me than any other comic book

Though i agree having a terrible artist on the book wouldn't be the end of the world. I buy it for the writing and the characters, the art is just a bonus

 

[CConn]

Mystirious, I really think everyone - yourself included - would be a whole lot happier if you just keep your personal feelings regarding LGBT and everything that surrounds the subject to yourself.

Not to try and censor your point of view, but most of what you talk about is really more appropriate for a political or sex fetish forum than comic books.

 

[Anubis]

Actually, as an objective observer, most of the time other people bring it up.

 

[CConn]

Then, being fair and objective, I'll say that those people really need to ****.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

lesbians.

That is all.

 

[CConn]

That's not too bad. It'd be better if you had capitalized the L.

I just know I'm tired of going into threads only to see "i hate homophobes. they make me sick. literally sick. they make me want to vomit all over. i refuse to be within a 100 mile radius of a homophobe out of fear of breathing the same air as them!"

 

[RoughNTumble]

 

[CConn]

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[JewishHobbit]

I honestly agree, at least with the negativity anyhow. While everyone's entitled to their opinon I think great characters should be defined by their character, not by their sexual orientation... gay or straight.

And anti-homophobe talk always annoys me because there's levels of anti-opinions on homosexuality, not all of which are biggoted or hateful. Hateful comments about those people make the pro-homosexual posters sound worse in my opinion. Then again, the same can be said about racism, atheists, etc.

It's all rather unpleasent and I'd rather read about it (or not read about it) in proper threads instead of all over the boards in any given thread.

But that's just my opinion for what little it matters.

 

[CConn]

I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

It's kinda the level of vitriol that seems to create unending conversations.